carbon fiber, whats the big deal?

Stratkat

Stratkat

im sure this will be controversal...

whats the appeal for carbon fiber stuff? i understand the strength to weight ratio, but it doesnt seem to weather well. one of the guys that works at KTM got a 06 SD that was used for demos all over the country. it had every carbon fiber part available from KTM bolted on to it. i saw it the other day and it lots like $hit.
all the carbon stuff is yellowed and looks tatty (no he didnt drop the bike). it just looks awfull.
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ShadeTheChangingMan

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robbo01

robbo01

Well done for this thread, as i don't feel the twat i did not doing the carbon thing
KTM do the carbon bits that actually fit over the top of the original kit ..........WHY ? I can see the point of weight reduction, but the gains are so minimal i can't see the point of the extra cost
PowerCell

PowerCell

I have a carbon rear fender and tank panels coming out in the next month or so for the SM, SMR and SE... look great and don't cost much more than the stockers do. I refuse to pay KTM $219 for a stock rear fender for my SE any longer.
bic_bicknell

bic_bicknell

OK, I'll come in to defend Carbon/Kevlar - as the last three bikes I've owned, superduke, LC4 supermoto and Ducati 900 Superlight, ended up having the panels gradually changed over whenever the originals got damaged or CF parts turned up on ebay.

So the first thing I would say is that I hardly ever ever pay the full price and just wait to pick things up when they appear, (which they do a lot)

I just love the finish, especially in the sunshine when you can see right through the gel into the weave, it's a fantastic material. As a product designer I spend most of my time considering materials for their appropriates, their strength, their ability to be machined or formed, their performance etc. as well as their aesthetics and appeal. Have none of you seen a piece of F1 car component made from carbon and engineered to perfection? They're works of art.

When I was a teenager we all had to make our own seat units and fairing mods because there were few companies making race style bodywork for street bikes at that time in the UK and those that were were way out of our price range. So when you've spent years making home made moulds and laying up heavy fibreglass shells and hand finishing and painting them it's something of a revelation that by the 90's there's this amazing new material and technology that allows a strong form to be made that is incredibly light weight, doesn't need painting to look superb, is starkly honest. (by that I mean that unlike a custom tank that had 20 layers of metallic candy coat and 20 layers of laquer - this may look amazing but it is a bit of a pretentious tart really).

One thing I like about KTM's is their stripped down, ruthless purposefulness. There is little unnecessary stuff and weight and even so we are all stripping off the SAS valves, the excessive rear number plate carrier, the heavy exhausts - everything we can. But the KTM bodywork is a genetic descendent from their dirt bike heritage. They make everything from injection moulded PE and it's designed to be dropped and crashed and bend and not break - which it does mostly very well. But it's really heavy, over engineered and a bit crude. The style is great, KTM have mastered and lead the "edge" styling technique but their manufacturing process results in components that are like big, heavy Tonka toys from the 70's.

But the Superduke isn't an off road bike - and it's not really designed to be crashed all the time. So why not replace these bendy, heavy, ungainly parts with a material which is more reflective of the philosophy of the engineers who built the frame and the engine and the suspension? This is my opinion anyway.

I'm not doing it to save weight. I agree that I would not notice the difference, I would be better off loosing 3 inches off my waistline!

And although I work in branding I always take off all removable badges, stickers, logos from anything I buy - what's this obsession with riding around on a bike that looks more like an advertising billboard? I don't run a race team so why cover my bike with stuff I'm not getting paid to do?

Maybe that's a better question to ask this forum.

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Ducati Pete

Ducati Pete

My bike could do with a little refresh.

My gurl has got me some CF rads shrouds - they are new from a dealer and cost less than the std panels.

I have a CF race mask, also new, cost about £80 complete with the little loom kit.

So I'll have a slightly different looking bike for Xmas.
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bic_bicknell

bic_bicknell

Ugly plastic off. CF on. Brand names and stickers off. Job done!

This is how I like my bikes.

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AndersH

AndersH

hah my bike looks almost the same!

http://dump.andersh.dk/P1000492.JPG (too big to put img tags on)
I have the CF seat cowl and CF "battery box compartment covering unit" thing ..

and I also have that CF fuel tank that will people say will leak.. ooh what joy heh
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Stratkat

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bic_bicknell

bic_bicknell

StratKat, here's my old LC4 done the same way five years after I put on the CF, (70,000 mls, ridden all year round, rain or shine). Count em'......five! There's quite a bit of repair work done in that time that you can't see on the photos but that's my point - at least you can repair it and patch it up, not like PE. If you clean your bike and use WD40 or ACF50 then it will stand up to any British winter and you can drop a little bit of superglue in any stone chip for an almost invisible mend.

Maybe it's the sun/UV which shags that carbon finish over in the states? don't have that problem in the UK.

But if you don't like the look that's OK, your choice.

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easze76

easze76

ummm, can you start washing my bikes too?


I'll ride that one while I wait, bike looks spankin!
Stratkat

Stratkat

I LIKE CARBON . but I carnt justyfigh buying it for sake of the bling fackter. it dose fade in the sun ,becose we have the weave on show for the bling fackter , but iff it was on a race bike it wood all be painted so no faiding ! .
Jaxian

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