yep, I do appreciate the good advise and all that you have said is good, take a look at the time I posted that, I had already been trying to do system restore and many different things for 24 hours then, and this shit box killer was always ahead of me, I have spent the last 36 hours fighting this SOB. It is blocking and disabling all of the right things that i try to do to kill it, I think it is some advanced shit from Russia, (seen a Russian pop up that looked like it was them! it blocks all malware detectors, esp ad-aware it has closed all of Microsoft updates and everything besides explorer and when I use it rather than firefox it throws up a fake window that says it has encountered a problem and needs to close. hacker feckers, I hate them ass holes!!!!! thought I hired the BIG GUNS,,, NORTON 360, these are some real but munchers, shit breathing bastadges!!! joe could like the taste of crunching eyeballs and liver guts to pound thare faces into mush !! I could eat thare guts!