1290 Speedo Correction

Has anyone figured out how to correct the speedo on the 1290? I checked with Speedohealer and their product won't work because of the CAN bus on this bike. I haven't been able to find another solution. I want to change the sprockets on mine when I get it and need to correct the speed indication.

Yes we did, use the search button.

Our nordic friend got someone to cut new sensor plates for the front and rear wheel with 10% less tooth in them.
I looked in to it and that's the easiest and best solution so far. It doesn't affect the ABS or TC.
What we need to do is have a look if there is one available of the shelve like from aprilia, bmw or so that fits easily and works.
Or get motohooligan or someone with access to a laser cutter to pump some out.

If I get the same bike I'll look in to it again.

Our Nordic friend WAS going to post the detailed dimensions on the new chopper ring so we could get some made but he has not posted any further details for us

Don't forget the traction control works off a comparison of front to rear sensors. If the front is replaced it most likely will send the traction control into retard mode.

My 2015 speedo is MUCH closer to normal than my 2014 was. (like 2mph off)

Interesting that 2015 is better than 2014. What is different? hardware or software?

Pm'd

Yet another one in the books of being drastically optimistic...... I cant believe that a bike from the factory is allowed to be sold with the speed that far off....

I did the actual vs. the indicated using a GPS and it is almost 16% off!!!! That is just ridiculous!!!!

I called the two companies that I was able to find that make the correction modification (speedo healer and 12oclock labs) and 12oclock labs told me they can not do it and speedo healer is working on something.

I know its been concluded since the speed is based off of the ABS/MTC ring sensor the only way to fix it so far is cutting new disks with more slots, anyone that has tried this does it work? And how close is your speed now?

Thanks

Who cares. Yes I'm sure mine is 10-12% high but does it matter? In urban area I move with the traffic. In rural areas
I go as fast as I'm comfortable and rarely use the speedo for verification.

It's what's comfortable.

Well it matters to me. Its a very lazy piece of design. worst part is ktm probably know about it and haven't got off their ass to fix the problem.
If I had the original CAD files I could have the design corrected in less than 2 hours and the design changes could be seamlessly integrated into their current production lines. WTF its not hard to fix. Pretty slack I recon.
I would prefer to know exactly how fast I'm going and to see the correct numbers on the dash, same as all the other parameters I see on the dash. Should I expect that they too are up to 15% inaccurate
I might look at designing a fix for this when Im not so busy but its a long way down the list at present
It shouldn't be up to the customer to produce a fix; thats ktm's part but they seem a long way away from their customers sometimes.

Mine is at the dealer right now fixing a gas leak caused by the plastic connection they say.
I read somewhere here that the dealer was able to change the diameter of the front wheel, and that this was wrong from the factory making the speedometer read too fast. Set an inch smaller should make it about right. IS this possible? Reading this thread it would appear they can't change it.

Found some time today to pull both ABS rings off, hope to report back soon.

Had a new axle fitted a few weeks back & found my wheel nut loose today when I removed the rear wheel , yip not torqued to spec, sprocket nut was tight, I have not ridden the bike since the new axle was fitted by the dealer it has only been ridden home & parked.

Would changing the rings affect the odometer, so the Speed would be correct but distance be out?

Changing the ABS rings can lead to all sorts of problems - a few years ago the Honda TT Legends Endurance team swapped the rings for lighter aluminium versions and their ECU refused to play ball - after plenty of head scratching it was found that the ring for one of the wheels had one slot less than the ring for the other wheel so the system could never calibrate itself and spat out an error code and sulked until the problem was identified and fixed.
Does the speedo signal get taken from these then, and not read from the front sprocket like a Japanese bike?

Got these today STD 48T modified ones 43T, I best get some paint on them & give the over reading Speedo a hair cut & shave off some of those over reading numbers this weekend, review to follow.

Lasercut or water jet and what material Kev?

Awesome! Can't wait to hear how it goes!

I can report back the ABS ring mods works 100% with no side affects on both Kev2 & my bike today, I will get a 44T set cut this week as I want to see what they read at. The one offs were not cheap but can say finally I have a Speedo that reads closer then the OEM spec Speedo.

With the 43T ABS ring, GPS speed at 100KPH = Speedo reading of 100KPH, the 44T results to follow soon as we need to add compensation for tyre wear.

OEM ring 48T on the left, 43T modded ABS ring right

Comrade Kevxtx: I'm also interested subject to price.

Maybe keen for a set, do you have a cad file for those discs?

I'm in for a set!

Good to see a fix for this! I could use set as well...
I decided to check mine againt GPS yesterday, used my android phone and Ulysse speedometer it was
100% accurate in my 370Z. made a quick reference chart and taped it to the handlebar started up Diablo
Super Biker and went for a ride! good app to later check my speed anywhere along my ride.
So for my US model..
Target Speed on left and MPH over needed on the right. I still need to get any with a ?
Trying to get anything between 20 and 30 mph under 4000 rpm was fun erm not really
20-22 ? 2 mph difference
25-27
30-34 4 mph difference
40-44
45-49
50-54
55-59 ?
60-67 ? 7 mph difference
65-72
70-77
75-82 ?
My quick reference chart

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If anyone is interested I have managed to get my Titanium supplier in China to get some Titanium bolt sets made up for our brake rotors. http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/m.html?_odkw ... m&_sacat=0

Has anyone determined whether the inaccuracy is exactly the same for both speedo and odometer, or whether they are wrong by different ratios, or if in fact the odometer is actually inaccurate at all? This is definitely the case on some vehicles, so I was just wondering.

I'd rather have an accurate speedo, of course, but it would be interesting to know whether the speedo is deliberate skewed in software while the odometer isn't, or what.

Ok the 44's are reading + 2% over my GPS, the 43's were +- 1km @ 100KPH. I will get a one off batch of 44's cut up soon. It is so nice to finally have a Speedo that reads correctly.

I also fitted some Titanium bolts with the 44T's today. http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/m.html?_odkw ... m&_sacat=0

I post all my other bike mods Worldwide so no problem to the US or any other country, I won't be making them all the time but will run off a few batches & see how we go.

The other unknown that I don't know the answer for, has the speedo been corrected on the 2015 models if there is any difference between the 14's & 15's the ABS rings will show a different result. I have sent ktmguy a PM as I want to send him a set to try for us to confirm, if he is to busy over the next week or so I will need a local rider in Brisbane to test them for me?

Once I get the pricing next week I will know how much it will all cost & how many guys that want a set?

1/ ktmguy paid
2/ rozz
3/ jaman
4/ Growler84
5/ sjwNZ
6/ GJB
7/ DukeSuper14
8/ Tripped1
9/ Swifty
+ I have a whole lot of guys on the SMT forum that want them as well.

Just curious, why are you going with the 44s when the 43s are a little more accurate? Is that to account for tyre wear?

I would like a set when they are ready. USA

I think you should send a set to KTM

It would be of interest to fit a 60 height front tyre in place of the standard 70 (about a 25mm difference in diameter) and see where the speedo reads.


Edit: Had a quick search and found reducing in height from a 70 to 60 would bring the speedo reading within 1km of the true speed (working on 8% over read at 100kph)
I`d be sticking to the "sharper" 70 height tyre though

I'd like a set. You also mention that you need to see if it works on a 2015 bike. I'll volunteer to test on mine if you can't find a local person I'm in Tampa Florida).
By the way, thanks for doing this!
Tom

ttraynor here. I'll take set--at least. How far off are the SMT speedos (I kept my SMT for two-up riding)?

Thanks.

I would take a set .

Thanks

Mine arrived today. Thanks Kev, well made and perfect packed!
Have enough bubble wrap for a few weeks popping bubbles!

I hopefully get around fitting them this week.

Great thanks for letting me know Guy.

Can I ask can you get the software version in your dash for me?

My 2014 KTM 1190R likewise reads 10% high. In my quest to find CAN BUS readers, I found the TEXA diagnostic equipment, sold in the US by Precision Tec Diagnostics (Chad Cone <[email protected]>). He provided screen shots of the menus available, one of which shows 'Speed Correction'. see:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81ha0hutw7hxi2j/TEXA.jpg?dl=0

Not sure if this allows the introduction of a new scaling factor or ??? Unfortunately, the cost of the unit is several thousand dollars. But it implies that the dealer computer should be able to change the scaling factor. Maybe they are just reluctant to modify the setting.

The software version in my dash is 3-15 Kev!

Thanks Guy

Hello,

I would love to buy a set of speedo correction rings if there are any available. Please PM me info on how to pay.

Thanks

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ttraynor paid this morning! Thanks.

Some feedback:
Thomas-M wrote:
Installed the new speedo rings that I bought from Kevxtx, on my '15 . Works great, matching GPS within a mph.

Finally fitted the rings, at first my GPS and Speedo readings were out by 4 or 5kms, in the end I got sick of the GPS so fitted a bicycle Computer to the bike
and speeds are within 1km hour so all good Thanks Kev ( cycle computer based on wheel Circumferences so I know its 100% correct ).

Its been funny riding around corners at a speed I am happy with, then having a quick look at the speedo and thinking, bugger so that’s the true speed.

Thanks for your feedback mate, I agree it does feel strange having a Speedo that now reads within 1kph to true speed.

The first round of ABS rings have all sold out & have now placed a second order for 25 sets.

This is probably a silly question, but what would happen if you blocked off one or more of the slots on the stock rings? Would it freak the ABS and/or the speedometer computer, or would it just read less slots per revolution as the new plates do?

If there is still a spare set going in the latest batch, please put me down for some. Thanks!

The first batch is all sold out but did receive the second batch today, I will debur them over the next few days & have them ready for posting next week.

You are number 11 on the list out of the 25 that will be available: http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=2 ... 074#p46074

11/cwilkie

Perfect, thanks Kev! Appreciate the effort you put in

Guys of late I have had so many guys PM me & asking for the CAD files, I think it is a bit unfair to ask guys as they are still for sale & at a very cheap price & I have them in stock.

I will be ready to post next week & will get back to you guys when they are all ready to post.

You are number 11 on the list out of the 25 that will be available: http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=2 ... 074#p46074

11/cwilkie
12/ aracheon

I got my ABS Rings installed today! Very Happy with the results! Thanks Kevxtx!

Here are a few before/after photos.

70 MPH before the rings were installed. - exactly 10% off! It's a bit hard to read, but the GPS speed is 63 MPH.



70 MPH after the rings were installed (notice the change in RPMs). The speedometer is about 1/2 MPH off. It will click up to the next MPH just before the GPS does so. That's about as good as it gets!






Installing these rings also had an affect on the odometer reading.

Before the installation, the odometer read high by 3.8%, or 103.8 miles at 100 miles on the GPS (lighting was bad, so I had to take 2 pictures). Here are the numbers to do the math.






After the installation, the odometer reads low by about 4.7% (rounded up), or 95.3 miles at 100 miles on the GPS. Here are the numbers to do the math. I don't understand the difference in the odometer reading. I thought it would've gone down by 3.8%.

Great write up thanks for your feedback.

Payment requests sent via PM your ABS rings are ready for posting

11/cwilkie PM sent 22.9
12/ aracheon PM sent 22.9

Next batch of 44T in stock & are on EBay: http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/ferdiev123/m ... 7675.l2562

I realise the speedos are off anywhere from 10=14% - driving down my local freeway when I/m running an indicated 72 in a 60 mph area cars are passing me right and left even the little old ladies in the right lane -

So, why do I care ? I don't - at first I was overworked about it but now I am just living with it - I go the pace of the other cars in the urban areas where the law enforcement live - in the rural areas where I ride most of the time on the twisiie 2 lane raods who cares? I don't care what the speeds are on the bike and as long as I/m enjoying myself who cares?

I used to worry about all those little quirks on every bike I owned - not now - I just ride this bike and enjoy it - best bike I've ever owned bar none

Replaced mine this week (thanks Kev) and works a treat

Replaced mine this weekend. Dead nuts on now. Thanks, Kev! It's nice not having to think about calculating my speed.

Thanks for the feedback guys, we will keep on producing the ABS rings until the interest dies off.

For the guys that want a set that are on EBay. http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/ferdiev123/m ... 7675.l2562

Just want to say Thanks Kev. Had my electrocuted at work. Came out like factory item. Speedo is now spot on.

Thanks for the feedback.

Right after I got my speedo rings, I broke my ankle in a track crash, so they have been sitting on the shelf while I healed. Finally installed them and tried them today. Spot on to my GPS! Thanks a ton Kev!

Thanks for the feedback.

What top speeds have you guys seen on the dash post abs ring replacement?

Not that it matters in the slightest on a naked bike, but for fun at least.

Kev, I am assuming you are able to ship to the US? If so I'll go ahead and pick one up from you ...

Now have corrections ABS rings for the Adventure 1190 R & S models.

how to remove front axle nut.
Guys, i was in the process of doing the ABS ring replacement when I realised I didnt have the correct tool to remove the front axle nut. Should there be something in the tool bag, if so, i cant find the bugger. Any advice welcome....thanks

You need a 12mm Allen key to remove the axle!!Its not in the toolbox I have!!

Got my Set in the mail last week! Thanks again Kev!!!! Gonna work on getting them sorted over the holidays.


-Brandon

Just ordered a set as well, thanks.

Hi Kev,
Just received an eBay message that my order has been shipped.

Thnx.
Jef

Bargain time, ABS rings for 1290 SD & 1190 ADV now reduced to Australian $80.00 + postage, which is around US$60.00 + postage, in stock ready to post next business day, all I need is a PM with your email address & where we will be posting to.

I bought these sensor rings on eBay and they work. Speedo is right on now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252306602501?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

Woohoo! Ordered my speedo rings from Kev on eBay and they made it to the U.S in record time. Between shipping and customs I thought they might take a week or so. Nope! They showed up in California within a matter of days.

Can anyone who has painted the rings comment on what products they used and how they're holding up? Know I should have the rings powder coated, but I'm not setup for DIY coating and the only local shop I trust always has a long backlog of work. Wondering if I can get by with Rust-oleum rattle cans or something; the inaccurate speedo is driving me crazy!

My rings finally made it through customs and showed up. 1 month, almost to the day, to get them through there.
Now i only need to get them painted or powder coated and mounted.

Speedo correction disks fitted. Speedo now spot on. Slightly disappointed in the 10% reduction in mpg. But happy with the extra 10% between services!

+1

They arrived just after the terrorist attacks in Brussels, so every package had increased attention unfortunately. Lot's of delays and such.

I've had mine anodised so paint thickness not an issue.

kev you dont have more to sell?

Sorry guys been away on holidays, have plenty in stock http://www.ebay.com/sch/ferdiev123/m.ht ... 7675.l2562