OFFICIAL: New Super Duke R 1290

So here she is (in concept form) finally, sorry no time to post the pics up!:

http://www.ktm.com/news-events/eicma-20 ... uke-r.html

http://imgur.com/a/AIGpp

High res photos: https://www.ktm.com/uploads/media/1290_Super_Duke_R.zip

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PROTOTYPE KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R – EICMA 2012

Before glimpsing the fascinating future of the Super Duke, a short flashback: in 2005, the first pure street twin with the name Super Duke rolls out of the KTM halls and changes the world of motorcycles. Extremely agile and muscular, the bike lives up to its name – an unmistakable machine, with an aggressive sound, a bike to fit no pre-conceived notions and keeping out of no competitor’s way. Over the years, the Super Duke gets even hotter. Its power increases – as does its fan community.

The success of this uniquely dynamic motorbike confirms the veracity of KTM’s commitment to the Naked Bike, opening the door for further models. The merciless street fighter becomes the leader of a veritable pack of exhilarating bikes – all of them light, pure, top quality, and all without fairings. In 2011, KTM hits the bull’s eye of the small displacement segment with the 125 Duke. Almost 10,000 motorcyclists hop up, by no means just beginners. Just a year later, KTM stages another energetic escalation with the upgraded entry-level version 200 Duke, and puts the latest LC4 generation of the 690 Duke onto the grid – with well-known ingredients for maximum riding fun; with plenty of Single thrust at minimal weight; but also with more practicality, thanks to Drive-by-Wire and ABS. Another year later, there comes the athletic 690 Duke R, while at the same time, the brand new 390 Duke makes ready – a reasonable fun bike that will bring incredible enjoyment to riders all over the world.

Everything possible
So far, so good: 125, 200, 390, 690 and 990 cubic centimetres. But things don’t need to end there, even if nobody can make a case for more displacement purely based on rational considerations. Rather, it’s about enjoying power in abundance, about crazy acceleration, about tyres screaming for mercy, about pushing the limits of physics. Out of passion for the world of extremes. The world of KTM. The world of the new Super Duke.

Super Duke Onepointthree
At the EICMA 2012, KTM showcases the prototype of the future 1290 Super Duke R – a machine whose entrance needs no explanation and which shouts the very essence of the KTM philosophy unfiltered into the world’s face through two open megaphones. The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions. They are about showing what happens when the best technicians, designers and riders are unleashed in Mattighofen.

The developers started with another hefty rebore of the RC8 R engine in order to give it maximum punch. Around this two-cylinder elemental force, they fitted a tight suit tailored from light steel pipes, completing the chassis with a single-sided swing arm and the finest suspension components from the WP Suspension prototype development, as well as racing wheels, racing brakes and racing tyres. To this they added the finest carbon parts, countless working hours, and spilled sweat by the bucket. More sweat, more commitment, then finally, cheers. Job done. Rollout in Milan.

Wide open throttle
The best news comes last: KTM is already working on the production version of the 1290 Super Duke R, with that same enthusiasm. A good reason to look forward to 2013 – to the first press testride on the new Super Duke R.

The specifications
- Engine: liquid cooled V-twin based on RC8 R with Drive-by-Wire
- Displacement: more than ever
- Power and torque: very, very much
- Electronic assistants: ABS and traction control – stoppie and wheelie protection disengageable (of course)
- Top speed: depends on the rider’s courage and figure
- Frame: Trellis frame made of chrome molybdenum steel
- Swing arm: single sided aluminium swing arm
- Suspension components: WP prototypes – upside-down forks with gas pressure reservoir, directly linked rear shock
- Wheels and tyres: aluminium wheels with slicks
- Brakes: front and rear Brembo racing callipers
- Weight: incredibly low

More pictures:









Source: http://blog.derestricted.com/design/ktm ... prototype/

Fap Fap Fap!

VIDEO!

180bhp??? and listen to her start up!

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/ ... 0hp-naked/

OMG, I'm in love, have to have (another) wank!

Better start saving

On the other thread I was thanking KTM, but perhaps I should also thank Bajaj??? Nevertheless, I think KTM is very ambitious and true to their fans.

Sell the dog! Get the Mrs down Kings Cross turning some tricks. We can then eBay Ronin's garage contents to make up shortfall

Any one else got it as their screensaver yet

I'm liking the dual exhaust. Plus free cameras! They'd better come on the production one

do they have a remote starter on it?

Hope they put a fuel tank on it that hold's "ethanol"

I guess doing 2 separate exhaust systems could save money on all the pipework that was required on the 990 to make them the same length? As long as it saves money I'm all for it.

Fook'n HELL YEAH !!!! 180 hp Double Hell yeah ! Looks like KTM is doin it right ! Man i need me some Jingle now $$$

sweet bike

Ahhh fook gotta start saving now

added a pole for fun

Apart from the swingarm and a few styling bits, the 690 is exactly the same chassis as the stunt.

I never understood why everyone slated the 690 duke's looks whilst spunking over the Stunt concept. It would easy to get a 690 to look virtually identical for not much outlay.

I'm enthusiastic however I note:

"The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions". Hopefully the road legal bike won't end up a dreary
non-event. I keep looking back at the MCN photo's and notice how one could take the exciting and convert it to mundane.

Will it have to have some dreary exhaust system to get it through compliance then a slip on system to make it interesting?

I like the fact that on the prototype one can see the engine. I notice it doesn't appear to have an air-box. It also doesn't have an adjustable
linkage on the rear suspension.

I absolutely LOVE it.... God DAMN it's hot !!!!

Anyone seen pics of the swingarm amd left side of the bike? Did I miss em?

The orange colour looks great. Different shade, like Blood Orange maybe. Stunner.

Loved the bike, but the front end may end up like the 125, 390 and 690....and that's not agressive enough!!

Keep working on it!

I love it
I need it
I buy it

YES

Ahh man that is SWEET. Love that underslung exhaust. I wonder if they'll keep the under seat pipe for the road version or put it down the bottom like the RC8R.

Hope they dont spoil the looks by using some stupid headlight and mirror design that makes it look like a retarded moose.

All in all a brilliant effort. Pure sex on wheels.

I want this really bad but I don't have the heart to sell my current sd. Save up and keep both!

Like it alot ! Just put on that 2010 Duke 690 R Frontlight and its a go

I will be handing the SD down to the missus. Not worth selling as they'll be worth dog shit all. Plus it means the SD stays in the stable!

Tuono V4 for sale? Could be. Do we have a launch date?

WIsh they would show us the swingarm--likely not finalized.

Looks just like the prototype photos (we saw months ago) save for some flashy paint, different exhaust/forks and no headlight.

Like I mentioned in that previous thread, the motor and brakes look like they could be brilliant. Single swinger, a no linkage rear suspension, very low seat height/high tank still a possible issue for me. Again I'll reserve judgment until I ride one but still can't help but wish KTM would have used the RC8R as the baseline for the new SD in lieu of the Adventure.

Just sayin.

Is that the same frame as the 1190 Adventure? I was hoping more for a naked RC8R, but I guess to be a true urban assault vehicle an adventure/super moto style frame would be better in terms of ground clearance.

I don't speak Deutsche, but here is a new video with more details.

seriously been looking at rc8r,s on ebay. thinking about a winter project

this has thrown a spanner in the thought process

thing is . . . .could i track a brand new bike ???..... .. . . . . . . .

I could track it. Crash bung it up and get out there! It's only a machine and they can be repaired. Imagine the IL4s you could destroy with that

Sign me up.

That is fookin Gangsta! I love it! That has just smoked the Ducati Streetfighter!!!

Drool over single sided swing arm

After changing my oil today which is always a PITA....I noticed that the new does not have an oil tank....would that means an easier way to change the oil??

It has an oil tank. Appears to be an integral part of the engine casting located in front of the crankshaft.

did i miss something ? Can't recall seeing any gauges or dashboard but that's ok by me

I'm definitely likin it a lot...!!!
But it is a prototype...
For it to pass any smog laws...it appears to be
missing EVERYTHING...
The exhaust I'm not sure about...
I like it underneath like the RC8's...
I'd hope they go one way or the other...
Not both...
For me I can't tell if it actually has just one
throttle body on it...
The mask looks shiat to me...
Cameras are definitely a plus...
Just have to wait and see....
I'm sure they will address the tank issues...
I'd say that's a given knowing ethanol is here to stay
180hp...yah baby...
My "pole"..is waitn...

I was just getting really to purchase some nice shiny forged ally wheels and to fabricate a custom tail piece (shorter) pretty much like the new bike. Now, I just want one of those. I think they've nailed it.

Ill be financing one for sure.

Maybe my SDR will work before then lol!

i love it EXCEPT for the front mask.

everything else can stay how it is!!

i was thinking to myself the other day that i couldnt replace my SD with anything else if i was to smash it up or get it stolen, now i have found that something else.

pity now all the 990's will be worth stuff all in the 2nd hand market.

or that could be a plus for picking up a shed full of them for track use or starting a motorcycle gang.

How much of this is new and never before on another motorcycle? When the Duke I and the Super Duke came out it seems to me there was never anything really like them. On this example Super Duke what is new tech? ABS and traction control is not new, a single sided swingarm is not new. The engine is from what? Oh yeah the RC8. Exhaust has been done like that, wheels yep done before, suspension seen it.................WHAT'S NEW TECH and not NEW ART.......?

What exactly were you hoping to see? I would love to know. Loads of modern tech is just more complicated shit to break! We are already going to have to hope someone comes up with something like TuneECU for this otherwise we are stuck with massive Stealer bills. It has ABS and traction control. Some people didn't even want that!

Anyone have intel on whether or not this monster will be sold in the States?? I'm sure getting one out to Hawaii is going to be slim to none : / ..but if its carried in the mainland I can ship it out here which is how I got my SDR.

Forgot to say that I don't think we're not going to see the new Super Duke without ABS because of the new regs in the EU and the States....but I hope it can be turned off when the rider doesn't want it?

The Ultimate Hooligan Machine.

Holy shit indeed!!!!

Daryl just saw that and said 'Dan, you know I was going to get a cafe racer.....?'

'Yeah'

'fook that.....I'm having one of those, I start saving now!'

Video's been removed by user.....WTF? I just booted up my desktop with massive speakers so I could bathe in that glorious noise...bring it back!!!! Now!!!!

We got a look at the single sided swing arm in that vid and I think it looks nice. Not too bulky. Fook me does that sound insane!!!!! I'm off for another wank

Here's another *crap* vid from MCN, showing some of the nice blings on the machine.

you guys keep beating me to it !!! 2:30 am here in California and just saw this video online on Facebook (-: Killer

i am SO glad that the SD didnt go soft..

180hp would be fantastic on the streets!! i only get 1200km from a rear tyre with what HP we have now!!

Swingarm pic (best I could get so far)

Whats the chance of seeing this amazing brute at NEC in 2 weeks

If KTM would like to send one over here to Australia. I'll take it out into the Australian Summer. The desert, the hills, the traffic and give it a solid hard time. I'm just offering... I have the RC8 and the Superduke R. I love KTM...

i was watching the video. love the last bit where he wheelies thru the chain link fence.
id try that and with my luck id clip a handlebar on the fence!!

Looks great doesn’t it.

I like the wheels but not the way they are painted. Overall look is good and you can get a feel for what the front end on the road bike will look like by imagining a KTM style mask and headlight slotted into the cage behind that camera mount. I think it might look even better with the lights and road gear fitted if it’s done with a bit of flair.

A black one would look good next to my 06 SD (also black) which I’m planning on keeping as I have room in the garage.

I had been thinking of getting an old 911 next year but I already have a reasonable car so perhaps this might have a bigger grin factor......... I’m probably too tight as I hate losing out on depreciation, perhaps better to wait a couple of years and buy a low mileage heavily modded one from someone with deeper pockets than me.

Overall much better than expected!

This thread has brought more people out the wood work than any other thread I have ever seen on here

Still think it looks like nothing more than a naked RC8 with higher bars .........................(just trying to keep ^^This^^ thread active by stiring the pot )

I really like it, would prefer more black and a touch less orange. The engine sounds great. I wonder what sort of price it will be coming in at.

A naked RC8 with high bars is really what I want!

Its vorsprung durch BADASS

I'm feeling uber optimistic I would imagine the 1290 is closer to the Adventure/SM frame than the RC8R. It worked first time round so why won't it work again? It made it so much fun on the back roads and in town. And it was still a beast on the track. KTM want that top street hooligan mantle back again this looks like it could deliver! I'm damned excited to see it in 12 days time at The Bike Show. Even more excited at the idea of a test ride in 12 months time.

After my crash and the subsequent ongoing track bike rebuild I was giving up road riding for good.

But then KTM fooked with my plans and designed this bad boy. Thats it then the wedding is off, the baby is cancelled. RC8 for the track and this for the road!! In my dreams..

I'll settle for a close up at the bike show then next Sunday

No doubt the new bike will have its share of gremlins, as do all new models. There was no mention of different engine maps. No sissy sooky 'rain' maps. We get all the horses all the time.

Where does KTM get their TC from. Do they make their own? (Moto3 bike?) If they do their own for the Moto3 bikes, then they are clearly well sorted enough to win a world championship.

Guys, it is the prototype, I'm sure the boys and girls at KTM will provide us with an utter hooligan, this is, after all, what they do better than anyone...

Just a thought. Is it really so different, colour aside, from a Ducati Streetfighter. Panigale, version of which must be in the pipeline
Don't get me wrong, brand loyalty would mean I would always go for the orange bike.

KTM will have to make it special and different to make successful

Ok, stand corrected the video was on page 4.

Why don't we see SSS on MotoGP machines?

Here's my take on the new prototype,
As longs as the seat is not like a brick, has to be comfortable and be dual seat or able to be changed to single seat.
Get the valving right on this bike please, the SDR is a fook up with valving.
A fuel gauge would be of great benefit.
Able to turn the ABS and the other goodies off.
If I cant connect TUNE ECU to it I wont be buying one.
Be priced accordingly to the competition ie rsv4 tuono

Apart from that Im happy with the new concept
180 bhp is pretty sick

Decided last night to keep the "original" SD and wait till I can find a good "used" 1290 in a few, when the bug's are all worked out and everyone that buy's them find's all the niggling problem's that alway's arise on the "new" latest and greatest model,,so I'll let someone else take the price hit by buying new and I'll steal one in the dead of winter from someone that need's the buck's

yep good thinking klunky . . . . . . . . right up to the bit when . . . . someone passes you on park straight with the front wheel up using 180 horses

Not sure that anyone mentioned it, but in the interview with the KTM rep, he said that the bike was a work on progress and nothing has yet been finalized, body work, suspension, etc. He especially mentioned the exhaust, as currently shown would NOT make it onto a production bike. Too loud and not clean enough (smog wise)

However, he expects that in 12 months time the production models will be rolling off the assembly line.

That's fooking ages away ........

Well... selling an organ would be too much afterall ...please excuse my emotion

Let us gaze again at the beast

My only concerns so far are that the seat looks too low, one of the big selling points for my SDR was how well I fit (197cm tall).

Also hope the front mask/gauge setup does not ruin the look too much.

And really hope that when you turn the traction/wheelie control off, that it actually does turn off, not just 80% off.

Love:
Single exhaust per cylinder.
ABS you can turn on/off.
1290.
Everything else.

Not a fan of:
Single Side Swingarm… Why add weight and flex??

My two cents:
I reckon the headlight assay need to be a scaled up version of what's on this prototype + the shape of the 05-06 light (a small throwback)
Not sure how you'll make the exhaust meet noise standards, but love 1 under belly + 1 under tail. Side exhaust would be gay.

No?? Excuse my shitty photoshop effort...

The frame looks much stronger than the RC8R. Very similar to the 1190 Adventure frame, but tilted forward and different tail section. I wouldn't mind losing the SSS to cut down on cost and add durability. Most likely the stock exhaust setup will be a single pipe like in the spy shots from before or similar to 1190 Adventure because catalytic converters are super expensive, but they better have the same after market dual exhaust setup option with no cat.

Single sided arms are for over-priced Italian exotics, and Brit wanna-be's!!! Put a regular arm on there & I might sell my Nuts for it!!!
Also, I'd have kept the under seat ex. Looks much more symertical with the underseat pipes.

P.S. Sorry for the overpost, Herr Colonel!! Heil Hitl...OOOps!!!LOL!

So if the new SDR is going to put out 180hp, whats the new RC8 going to produce??????????????

I think you'll find the "prototype SDR" is making 180 at the crank in a completely unrestricted state of tune. That'd make it about 160-165 at the wheel. After they fit all of the noise and exhaust emmisions crap we're probably looking at 160ish at the crank....145-150 at the wheel. With some fettleing we'll probably end up somewhere around the 160ish mark at the rear (which is no sloutch by the way).

Well I f**kin love it, hope they don't change anything

Exhaust is badass......and the swingarm looks awesome !!!!!

I'm just hoping for that bonus at the end of the year now

KTM historically don't talk shit though…

When companies quote weight for instance, KTM might say 186kg + fuel. And not give bullshit figures like dry weight 169kg which means that the bike has no fork or engine oil.

this is a showbike not more not less, it draws attention of people and thats why it was presented like this.
It has no airbox basically no exhaust and the RC8R engine with a little bit more volume, i do believe the engine comes close to 180HP,
but the street legal version will not come close to that number. I'm with SDNerd we will see around 160HP on the street legal bike
and thats plenty for this kind of bike.

I'm in if it comes here...this thing looks sick.

Steve
00 sv 6fity
05 ST3

... yeah but then theres bragging rights. im thinking KTM knows the stats on the Touno and is probably using that as a datum point no?
no rational bike company wants to design a second tier machine and KTM is not rational that way. thats what im thinking anyway

I'm reserving judgment until the model is finalized. I'm somewhat surprised / concerned by KTM's decision to release a prototype racing bike that wouldn't qualify to race in any existing class. Otherwise, I kinda dig the styling - excepting the low slung, down syndrome / stroke victim mask and nut crushing seat (obviously not meant for the street). But, I'm waiting to hear the final figures on height, weight, power and brakes before I get too excited. I don't care if it has TC, ABS or God forbid wheelie control. However, I do hope KTM keeps the weight down and retains the manueverability of the original.

BMW already has the K1300R. It produces 173hp. KTM is simply reclaiming the Ultimate Hooligan Machine title.

I think there will be a few us lined up waiting to buy the used ones...,

if they brought it out tomorrow , i would buy it

In order, these were my thoughts upon discovering and immediately reading all of this monster thread:

1) Shiny!
2) Bollocks, I was supposed to buy a house next year.
3) If I had a fiver for every good looking concept bike that didn't make it to production intact I'd have...at least 20 quid, probably more, so I'm not going to get that excited yet.

[watches promo video]

4) I'm definitely buying one at some stage
5) I wish I could back it in like KTM's stunt rider person
6) Don't understand the naysayers - the essence of the SD is an agile, naked V-twin that looks and rides like nothing else out there. Why wouldn't you want them to be bold with the look of the thing?
7) If the cameras make it onto the production model, will definitely require a camera memory wipe switch on the bars. How cool would it be if KTM thought of that and put it on there?
180BHP? Can't wait to watch somebody trying to hold on down the straight at Snetteron or Silverstone. Stomp Grips required methinks...
9) I can't sell the old one, and I still need to get a GSX-R750, a Fireblade, a 600RR, a 950SMR, a Panigale, an S1000RR, an 848 and a Buell of some description...I may need a double garage.

Shows its been up 2 days, has had 128k views and I haven't seen it in this thread yet??? probably been posted a ton already and i'm probably just the last to know
edit: just occurred to me that maybe people can't post over the fap'ing, tho i'm doubtful this thread will surpass the neked pix

I KNEW IT HAD TO BE SOMEWHERE BURIED IN HERE! Thanks for redeeming my belief that at any given time, folks are not letting SD news go unposted here....ah well, hate to say it, but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

jk

but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

Maybe..I'm a little older..
N what not...
But what's a
"Dub step"..??????

Education for old boys, Dubstep:



Well the beatbox version anyway (hopes he knows what beatbox is) Dubstep is drum and bass style music, with big bass drops.

Thanks for sharing the insight Superdan

I love the new SDR. I'm a bit of an old fart Ill buy one as soon as poss, my life's ticking away too fast, can't wait for a second hand one. Think I might struggle to find a buyer for my 55 year old kidney. Still there's always EBay!

sorry, couldn't resist. back on topic, personally i think the video made me more excited for the bike than the pics, release, or supposed specs. I, like so many buyers, are just suckers for riding skills that are far beyond my own abilities

Wow, way off topic, but I can't help meself.



Steve
05 st3
00 sv6fity

If KTM are only going to do a new bike every 8 years they need to go big wth the HP, KTM are resting on their laurels 180HP will be nothing in 2020.

I'm not so sure about that. 110 hp is still something in this day and age of 200 hp at-the-crank machines. IMHO better motorcycles are all about usable power, especially for naked bikes where you won't ever set a speed record. folks have long been saying that more horsepower doesn't make a better bike, just like megapixels don't make necessarily better cameras.

just speculating, but I'm thinking lighter bikes, better suspension/brakes/fueling/tyre compounds will make a better bike in 2020 than purely hp #'s, though it sells the bikes quite well.

handling for the twisty bits and enough horses to hold a sports bike down the straight. . . . . . .lights my fire

So I've been watching that ridiculous KTM "The Beast Escapes" promotional video and I have to admit it's working! I'm drinking the orange Kool Aid and I must have this bike as soon as it comes to the States. It is simply the baddest ass thing I've ever seen. At first I didn't like the SSS but now I think even it suits the bike perfectly as it looks so minimal yet strong like everything else about the new SD. Just give me a semi-comfortable seat like my '08 standard SD has and I'll be at the KTM dealer writing a check the day this thing becomes available! I'm sold.

nope. . . .

Means you get a chance to do them again at the next corner

aaaaaah . fair enough then , i feel such a fool for mentioning it .

.....I did one lap at the crash fest where I did more grass than tarmac

going for the wide line into Gooseneck ...er a bit to wide straight across the slightly wet grass.....back on the track .... just in time for
Mansfield .......Still wondering how I missed the Gooesneck ....B*ll"ck's ....missed the Chicane

...Wets...I was tempted to fit Knobblies

Knobblies. . . .its tempting to fit a set for a play on a bit of dirt .

I actually enjoyed day 1 in the wet.

Knobblies on a SD Sounds amazing but would sooooo end in tears.

day one wet was fun , the evening more so with the fresh meat that turned up.

I won't be buying one for a fair old time, it will be years rather than months.... Too much money for my budget. I'd bloody love one though and as soon as Premier in Didcot have one to Demo, i WILL be on it

I think by the time it's actually released we will all have enough fooking money for one
What a fooking joke it is really to spend years to come up with the bike
Considering a large % of it already exists its piss poor from ktm

KTM,,,small company really compared to the other's,,last thing I read was that employies were on a "revolving volentary lay-off",,,I would rather them take the time to do thing's right the first time out than to "rush" thing's along,,,mistakes could cost them big time and they know it, and in this economy it would hurt them all the more,,,,,the release of the SD-SDR's in the states in 07-08 had to be the worst timming ever as they didn't sell ,,people weren't working,,,unemployment can't buy a $13000 motorcycle so they sat for a few until thing's got better,,,can you blame KTM for being cautious this time around

Nah I am a grumpy twat today ............... Kidney stones
Besides I've been on a sports bike for 2 years and was hoping for this bike a year ago
Fair comment about the resource rhough

gents, anyone know if its definitely going to be at the NEC this weekend?

Just got back from the motorcycle show in California Bay Area USA -- KTM didn't even have a booth - i guess that makes sense ....... or does it

Pretty sure the bike will be at NEC saw a link saying it would be.

Edit

Found it, not 100% but I would say it will be

http://www.motorcyclelive.co.uk/exhibitor/ktm/

KTM havent had a booth at the Intermot show here for about 5 yrs running.

So far..
The only thing that's been
unexpected in this thread
has been
"Dubstep"
Lol

13k in sterling, but bikes are always loads cheaper in the USA even if they are made in UK like a triumph?!

Just had a google to see the prices of rivals from MCN and Ebay:

Ducati streetfighter 11.5k
Better spec S 14.5k

Triumph Speed triple 9k
R 11k

Aprilia Tuono 9k
APRC 10k

Superduke 8k (current)
Superduke r 9k (current)


Depends if the new superduke has traction control etc but its going to be 9.5-11k IMO and the R version 11-13 depending on spec, then after 6-8 months the prices will drop when they realise they made too many and no one bought them

Looks like we will see it in the flesh next week




According to mcn it's due later next year and almost production ready

it looks pretty finished. im sure they have been working on it for a while

Yeah 2 years it says
The chief designer states it has more torque at idle than the 990 at peak!!!
Cam that be right ?
He says the SSS will allow them to her the exhaust nearer to the bike

nice one fatbob. so its official, if the weather is decent on sunday i am there like a bear.

Well the BLB and myself will be there
Just want to see this new SD in the flesh.

1190 Adventure pricing in uk is looking very pricy so don't think the SD SDR are going to be much cheaper if at all.

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/forum ... unced.html

....KTM 1190 ADVENTURE: PRICES ANNOUNCED
Prices confirmed on new KTM 1190 Adventures and
Motorcycle Live the first opportunity to see them in the UK
After being officially unveiled to the world at the start of October,
KTM UK can now confirm the new KTM 1190 Adventure and
Adventure R will cost £12,595 and £13,195 respectively.
The bikes will be shown in the UK for the first time at Motorcycle
Live (NEC, Birmingham), November 24 to December 2, and will
be available in dealers from March 2013.....

pfft ... ... .

Mcn states feb 2013 adventure £11190 & R 11837

Visordown is carrying same price

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 21534.html

...... The KTM 1190 Adventure is priced at £12,495 and the 1190 Adventure R at £13,095.

Wouldn't be the first time mcn got it wrong

mcn no , really .. .. .

Maybe it's an option thing , there's a suspension option I think

They can feck off if they think I'm paying over 10k even used would only pay 8k for a bike max, I could buy 3 decent bikes for 13 k!

To make it look like that add at least 1K for a zorst!

and then struggle to get it out on any UK track.

I actually liked it Dan!

Fly by wire..... traction control...... zzz,zzzz,zzz........ hope they found a better supplier for the wiring loom

Sounds real wicked on the video though..... but.... was the sound dubbed on after

Poor performance from KTM, not having it at the NEC

Wasnt it on the cover of MCN s coverage of the show this week?

TOYS! PRAM! OUT!

Spoke to my dealer today and they now have two names on the list for the bike. He phoned KTM UK when the first guy ordered one and apparently it will be the first in the country. There is apparently a 3rd name going on that list on Monday or Tuesday. Typical Jersey really, a few of these will be for sale by early 2014 with less than 500 miles on the clock, I've seen it all before.

You mean we are not going to see it tomorrow. Pile of crap if true

Yeah there is a guy with 3 RC8'S one of which has a 2k Evo 6 akra exhaust only produced for race series....tax havens eh....

By the way, at least 6 UK dealers will de delivering "the first in the country"!

He's from Guernsey and I believe he has every model of RC8. The Akra edition one has his name in gold leaf on the front. A few years ago at Le Mans he did a couple of sessions in the morning then was on the vin rouge for the rest of the day.

Sorry, didn't mean to slander your Island!

Went to the NEC today with my lad,nothing really outstanding on display as already stated the new SDR protortype was'nt anywhere to be seen. Overall it was a lot smaller than in years past and to be honest i was a bit dissapointed with it all,so Superdan you've not really missed much. Legged it at 12 o'clock as we needed to be back in Lincoln at 1400hrs

Dont think I have been to the NEC for 4-5 years, really no bikes I have been fussed about seeing....until now, but alas they could no be arsed to bring it.

Would have gone anyway had I been 100% just for a catch up

I was there today........best bit was meeting all the guys from the forum ...that were at Crash Fest

Klinky, Sabre and his son, Cerec1, Broken Leg, Gin Reaper, Duchess

Nice to meet you all again

So, is this thing going to make it to the US? What do you think the price will be?

It won't make the UK for 18 months minimum according to the KTM staff. Don't hold your breath.

18 Months?

I suppose a major model refesh every decade is just about right for a company that aspires to be Europe's 2nd biggest motorcycle manufacterer.

Dear Santa

18 months!!! I know it's not everybody''s cup of tea but I quite like the Ducati SF S and in 18 months time Ducati may well have a Panigale engined (or similar) Street fighter available. I'm really disappointed if its going to take KTM so long. Much as I love the Superduke (I'm on my third) my dealer nearest dealer is 11/2 hrs away compared to 30 mins for the Ducatii dealer. Plus the servicing costs of the newer Dukes are pretty reasonable. Hope KTM get their act together and bring to us sooner otherwise I think they may well lose out

I thought at Milan they said the production version was well under way and would be available in late 2013? Or was that only if you live in Austria?

Mcn strikes again
Just stood outside having bought my ticket and reading this post about no bike !!!!
Gutted

The most exciting bike at the NEC is my Panigale on the Austin Racing stand:)

But I only have to pop into my dealers to see one of those!

(They have a DesmoRR with 700miles on it - yours for £35500!)

It's funny cause it's true ...... oh

Just watched Bikeword on Motors tv and the interviewer asked the KTM UK guy at the NEC Live Bikeshow about the new SDR.
His reply was the Beast shown at the Milan show is a prototype but fingers crossed it will be made.
Definately no guaranties or when available though

Now I know how those UFO spotters feel when a "sighting" is exsposed as a hoax.

How many cc's will the regular bored Superduke be?
Will KTM sell an overbored Superduke

2014 . . . . . . . . . .ffs

Trust me.

I wouldn't buy "The Launch Bike" If I were yous. You'll end up being an unpaid development rider.

Been there with the Duke II and Duke III. As well as the Superduke.

Only buy if it's launched in U.S. first.

There are Well documented threads of EU launched bikes and cars from KTM. Where owners have had nothing but greif. KTM stay Schtum about any defects until after you have moaned and given details of probs on the Forums.
No acknowledgement to yourself or dealer network. You will be complaining for Months. New model will be launched with your detailed greivances addressed and with no thanks to ourselves for highlighting any problems.

And still we love 'em

thinking about streetfightering a rc8 , mainly for the extra hp to drag my fat arse around a track

fukhisass72 is a bit dramatic. The 05 superduke, and I had a pretty early one wasn't full of problems. Actually they seem to have faired better than the later R models. The starter clutch thing is the only big one that springs to mind.

Ceric, no. I want a second hand one. I won't buy new when I only ride on track a few times a year.

LOL - when I quoted that post, for some reason I thought it was Jody!

Ah well, I have Stalker described as Mr blobby on speed so I won't delete it!

i am fat , as i think has been mentioned . i just wish i could drop a few stone to help me be as quick as you MotoGP riders


here all week guys

pmsl

now that is interesting

Looks like photoshop spoof to me. Front end looks like current model, no headlight either.

Exhaust would never fly...no silencer, cat, etc.

Not sure if this has already been posted but there's an interview with Gerald Kiska on the topic of designing the new 1290 Super Duke.

http://blog.ktm.com/bikes/2013-bikes-wh ... #more-1353

I've had 2 2005 SDs and they've been just fine until I started buggering them about (sorry) I mean 'tuning'.
I think we've known for a long time that the new SD is to be launched in the autumn shows 2013 and in the shops Easter 2014.
This is why I've bought an interim bike.
KTM marketing tell me that they are not dumbing down the SD: it will be a raw edged bike with the same attitude as the original.
So, if the production SD is anything like the prototype I will be placing my deposit as soon as they are taking them.

Deffo a photshop mash up. There's not enough room behind the headlight to hold the lamps, and not quite sure what's going on with those pillion peg supports?

Already an MCN pic posted a while ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15126&start=325

It's a mock up and not a good one at that.

what is it that you guys find so bad about it?

No pink frame.

Or a natty little bell

That thing looks cooler than shite,,,,betcha thats what we get,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I have not read all 15 pages but i bought this monts SSB mag and they have a artical on it.
They have the same pic of the track only bike.No headlight etc

All I can say is I have a very tricked out RC8R with all the bling a true track weapon. And if this bike is for real The RC8R is gone
I am just worried about the price.Thats what killed the first RC8R's they had to dumb them down so they could get them to sell in the 16-17 k range.

This bike has more stuff than the 20k RC8R I don't care if it's street legal I want it for the track anyway. I have slicks on my RC8 now seems like the more track days I do the less I want to ride this kind of bike on the street .The cops know me on a first name basis I can't afford the tickets.

I want one as much as I love the RC8R once you dial it in. I miss handle bars and the riding position .
I hope this is real and the price is not crazy .This bike will kill the RC8R sales for sure.So I just wonder if they will let the US market have it.

Anyone over forty years old will want it VS their RC8 just for the back pain alone
RC8R power or more. Lighter and a great riding position how can you say no .

I will get one for sure I just hope it's what the pics are but with the EPA is the USA going crazy you can't even find a pipe for your RC8R now I hope it comes with the akra The bike just so sweet It's a dream come true I hope so far my dealer does not have any info until I showed him a pic and told him I want the first one he gets.
Maybe 2014 if we are lucky or 2015 if it's real

Some pics in today's MCN. Bike spotted by some German dude parked up in Tenerife. Not the most detailed but hopefully some more pop up somewhere.

Some spy pics in mcn today. Front light is ghey looks like an MT01 yam, front mudguard ghey also rest is nice. Will scan pic tomoz if its not on mcn website by tomorrow.

Quite obviously the production bike was going to be different in many ways.

I am quite suprised at how bad that looks though.

I'm going to reserve judgement until the final bike is shown off. They can't show off that prototype and then throw out something that looks nothing like it.

Dont MCN write some crap................ `Shorter and more steeply raked than the 990` yea right... the front would tuck just pushing it out of the garage if it was

What bike? Show the pics please. .. can't find in Google

There's a fine line between a thing of beauty and an object of great ugliness. I guess Gerald Kiska was
involved in the former (the prototype) and the Accountants and Emissions Controllers the latter (the pre-production bike).

To me the pre-production bike looks very much like the ugly thing we saw about a year ago. The exhaust can, by necessity,
be fixed at a price but the bodywork - that's inexcusable ... One can only hope that they know what they are doing and just
judging reactions. If you are listening KTM then - THAT BIKE IS FOOKING UGLY AND WILL NEVER SELL!!!

Thanks guys. .. I now feel sick. What a f@ck up that thing is.

Well even though the too homo looks ugly, it looks like much less of an after thought. The headlight is fugly, the exhaust looks retarded.

Can we start the poll again please because I want to change my vote. Plus side is I'm gonna save myself 30 grand... The bike plus cool exhaust and forks etc...

To me it looks like one big mess... fightered rc8r for me then.

Am I the only one who isn't surprised they used the 390/125 headlight?
I like it actually Think it looks quite good. If I had the money I would consider buying one....
Just replace the license plate holder, strap on a nice short slip-on, and paint it orange and black

GIVE US A NEW POLL!!!!

for those who couldn't go back a page

I think it will be nice in the flesh ...Hope that headlight not is too simular of the ones that triumph S3 is banned with ...

And it looks like two is possible ...and there will be an Ktm powerparts cowl for an cleaner tail ..and Akro .. mmm it will be nice im sure .

Did someone say w h e e l i e s

This pic makes me think if they do one std and one r ..

i agree. and when you look at the prototype, its really not thet far off, i feel it captures the soul of that well enough. the paint will make a difference for sure

I think our problem is the original SD show bike looked SO good, and the production bike was very, very close and at the time was right on the money.

It may be a 8 year old model but it's a hard act to follow.

Oh Dear I hope KTM haven't isolated themselves from us "Community Folks". Nah! they don't do that.

I think that headlight is some aftermarked POS that i've seen selling on flea bay very often....

The whole bike's been redesigned with a naked streetfighter as the intended goal... and then i have to look at these photos -- why am i pissed !! WTF -

looks more like they strapped this unit to the front:

Looks like a prop for Transformers 5. Ist Scheiße!

Mmmmmmmm ... MV Agusta ... Looking better by the minute:

i cant imagine getting rid of my SD either, as much as i hate it sometimes. ive wanted to sell it several times but after a while away,
usually waiting for parts, i cant wait to get back to it. thing is ive gotten it pretty much where i want it, plus i finally own the thing free and clear!

MCN this week has a quote from KTM saying its expected to be launched and selling by Oct 2013. Great news if true! Not that I can afford one mind

Well i found this pricing for the new adventure so the SD cant be too far off

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/kt ... ng-europe/

So what does the European pricing tell us about the cost of these bikes in North America? Well if KTM continues with its current pricing scheme, we can expect to see an almost 1:1 conversion rate from euros to dollars (e.g. the KTM 990 Supermoto T costs €13,295 in the EU, while it is priced at $13,999).
This means that the loaded KTM 1190 Adventure & KTM 1190 Adventure R will hit dealers with a price tag in the $15,500 range, making both bikes very competitive in this market segment, assuming both are brought to North America. It will be interesting to see how BMW Motorrad prices the all-new 2013 BMW R1200GS against KTM’s potent offerings.

The price will be doable for me. I just hope i dont regret being one of the first round owners by running into a bunch of issues hahaha

October isn't far away

Thats looking pretty close to the finished article now. Still don't like the headlight or the exhaust much but it will look fabulous in orange thats for sure.
Won't be able to afford one though anyway

They're the same pics that were in MCN on page 15. Just the original (digital) quality.

As I said in the other thread, the clocks and headlight don't look right. The SSS doesn't suit and it needs a belly pan.

But once its painted it should look not too bad. I'd need to see what the PP were though (hoping for a bikini fairing at least).

In Oktober it will be ready for our eyes . Then on Order for 2014 unfortunatly late ..

Please change the headlight..........please change the head light..........please change the headlight.

Fook me more electronics.

I hate the fact that Andy (Downes Syndrome) Downes concocted the report, he slated the R last year. Wants a kicking, crap reporter and anti KTM!

still like it

shame i can't change my vote. dissapointing, it looks dull as dishwater, just like the new 690 duke. i'd rather have the older version.

Have to admit it is getting lamer the closer it gets to production.
It also takes a lot of time to get it out, imagine how many sales lost....The current model is still the same as 8 years ago

The MV looks indeed better all the time. I love my SD to bits but I guess when it ever goes it will not be replaced by the new model.
Come on KTM get your finger out and sort it!

I loooved the prototype and was already moving my funds around to be able to get one.
But after seeing the spy shots, I'm not that sure anymore. It looks boring. Bit like a mashup of a CB1000, Cagiva Raptor and Kawa Z750

If its 170kg and 180hp and less than 9,999€, I would not care But its really a joke besides of 1290 prototype... To put exhaust in front of this open rear wheel is design-handicap as well as the front light and speedo Duke 690 is a beauty compared to it Anyway, less problems - keeping mine 08 for longer then, who cares

I'm waiting to judge the final production model. After showing that prototype and all the hype I can t believe they will release something that's has none of the attitude.

its funny because its got almost the same parts the the prototype R has.
the tail section is obviously diff, but the shrouds, tank, swingarm, rear fender, sprocket are all off the R.
but that stupid headlight is just awful.
it needs the Rs belly pan too that helps alot.

Aren't we taking the photos as the near production ready bike rather than hi-res versions of the the mule that appeared
in MCN a long time ago? After then the prototype has appeared with some hints at things to come not the other way round.
Yes, of course, its going to have a crap exhaust system to get it through the emissions laws but hopefully there will be other options.
Cartridge forks - well we are sending mixed messages. Either we want them and are prepared to pay or we take stock
options and have a bike built to a price. Unfortunately, I suspect that not to many people will put their money where their
mouth is - some don't have it. It's always been like this. When I was young I used to ride on the threads...

I like it.
It will be an upgradable road version.
I'll probably get one and mod the fook out of it.
I think the new promo video will be better than the last and the stunt rider on it will show what it can really do.

Im keeping my 08' because it's badass!

Oh I'll be keeping mine... I have the set... I'd like an 07+ SD as a stunter though.
I have my eyes on the auctions.

The dashboard looks to be the same as the new 1190 adv, it looks really dated. We need a nice slimline lcd screen like the Panigale, then it would give scope to reduce the size of that bloody headlight. I hate the way instrument cluster sits on top of the headlight rather than being integrated.
Trouble is with all the electrics, you will be tied to that dash, otherwise I would just ditch it for a small aftermarket version and stick and exc light on it.

just stick a number plate on it and start selling the thing , before it goes out of date

What the eff is with that exhaust. Was there going to be a standard version and and r version?

The showbike's zorst would never get through a track day noise test - let alone a homologation emissions test.

Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...

[quote="mick 990"]Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...




I like that headlight setup - very different

Look at the first picture, we can see on the triangle of the tubular frame what seems like a part of a air box who is not there on the 1290R prototype or the last picture...

yep pretty much the same and looking better all the time. the single seat section is really what seperates the 2 machines and always has. the R has always looked better to me and ive never even owned one!
i think we are going to be seeing lots of leaks now, looks like they are finishing it up. like the headlight much better...

where are you guys getting these images, i cant find anything!!

In dealers showroom in December in the UK from what my dealer has been told. KTM about to discount the remaining SDR's to shift the last ones in time.

Seat to bar distance looks to be shorter than the 990, more hooligan, less roadster

I still don't want one,,,,,, ,,,betcha it's gonna cost,,$$$$$$$ and then all that "good stuff" for it will be even more,,,,,,,

When and where was this photo taken?

Talking with a guy from a UK KTM dealer the other day who has seen the bike and its going to be around £14k they reckoned....

I really like the seat on the prototype ... i'm just having a hard time getting used to looking at the HARD CHINES of the other seat.

the 1290 engine looks badass.

I think 14K is to high to compete with the Aprilia , we'll see
the price tag wouldn't stop me buying it though , Ive been really tempted by the adventure which looks sweet.
In fact it wasn't to disimilar to the protoype bike , and with the finishing touches it looked even better

This is repeated by Visordown today:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 22708.html
so it must be true

They, too, say £14,000 which is a hell of a lot of wonga for a naked when the RC8R is cheaper - you can even get 2012 RC8Rs (new) for £10k.
Still, I like the styling especially the single sided swing - arm and the exhausts will go in favour of an Akra system or maybe a Zard.

One thing I don't like is the pillion foot peg doubling as a exhaust mount. I would whip the pillion pegs straight off but that isn't a option. Hope they come up with something else for that area. Also seems silly covering up that wheel like that.

I love it, glad they listened to me and changed the headlight

However 14k!? come on, I would never spend that much on a bike. However knowing KTM they will be discounted in no time

Looks like there is a separate tank cover like the CBR600RR has, would be a good solution to the tank problems.

This blog post from KTM pretty much confirms 1290 SD for next year at around 15000 euros.

http://blog.ktm.com/uncategorized/father-of-the-duke/

Agreed. I hope they tidy up that whole exhaust layout/package.
That big, black, flute styled can ruins the rear. The shiny heat guard isn't winning any style points either.

As if that muffler won't be in the shed within two weeks of picking the bike up.

I expect that we've all asked our dealers when the 1290 will be in.
Redline had some important people in from KTM last week so I took the opportunity to ask when the first bikes will be on the road in the UK.
I am told that the first bikes are due to be in the UK end April / beginning of May 2014.
Deposits MAY be being taken as early as the NEC show.

No there hasn't.

And that wasn't even a real SD-R. 2008 was the first (and by most accounts) the only real SD-R. Apparently all later years have standard SD motor with a big orange R on the rad shrouds.

Loud and clear.
Not a precise science as say; an M3 or GTI

we got bot the standard RC8 and the R here, think you can still get Rs have never seen either on the street just at dealers.
guess we'll just have to wait and see what they come up with, cant wait myself

Ha! If KTM don't get this bike into production soon the dialogue will degenerate to

Remember when we were young and used to ride Super Dukes ... Remember that R model with the orange frame ...

You guys are half way there already

From what I've heard here and there will be:

- Superduke 1290 Standard 180hp ...

Superduke-1290R to 197hp ... Probably full Akrapovic + High Performance Air Box and a further 500 to 1000rpm ...

-And Surprise ... There would be developing a RC8R said (Ducati Killer) It would be a 1290 with a peak of 225hp! Electronic suspension and all the high tech gear ...

Personally I find these numbers very optimistic but achievable... So for those who complain about the double seat and the distance from the prototype, there will be a Duke for you for an justified extra .. Once with the new head light in place, finish made​​, painting and stripes, the beast will have an incredible look...

The dealer have an appointment at Mattigoffen very soon, so we should be fixed very soon ... remains to know the price of all this... ...

For more ...

According to an article I read:
Having based on the engine of the 1190 RC8R, the engineers did not have to redo all the work for "porting" the head, the intake system and camshaft as is the case for the new 1190 Adventure. They increased the bore 3mm causing the engine displacement of around 1264cc to my calculations ...

And if we follow with a calculation of proportion to the RC8R of 173hp, we arrive at 183hp so the 180hp is very plausible ...
By cons, if the same calculation is performed over the RC8R TRACK 179hp, we arrive at 190hp, we are far of the 197hp ...

But hey, all these hypothetical values ​​for its time, and many other improvements and changes had to be made ​​elsewhere in this engine ... And even at 180hp, it will be more than enough...

Never can there be enough

Rc8r will not exceed 1200cc unless they change the rules of SBK while in talks with them.
Chances are that a new rushed superbike will come out before 2015 if talks are sorted.
Those numbers are a bit bollocks, unless KTM has decided to use Ducati's release book!!
I know of A Panigale that is making less than the 1098 Dynoed on the same dyno...

The Superduke SDR prototype is set to parade up Lord March's drive at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed.
So state the Saturday Telegraph today.Shame I haven't got a ticket.

hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R

not sure what "premium" motorcycles Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki are manufacturing, at least their prices here arent reflecting Indian manufacture...

Well as much as I like the bike I have to say that KTM has a very weird marketing strategy!
lots of hype but no susbstance mainly. The engine is there in different models so how hard can it be? In the mean time other brands sell bikes.
I know a few people who swapped brands coz it takes too long.
Same with the adventure 1190, here has been on the market for months now but the states still don't have it I believe.
One can only hope that the price will be similar or lower than the ADV 1190 which is just over aud 22 k here.
When the SD first came out it was 24k +
If they manage to keep it under 20 they might have a chance.

Not sure what the implication of that article is. Doesn't it just say that some of the 1290's will be produced in India
to supply the local market and keep the cost competitive. Is it also implying that Total production will be from India
to the rest of the world. If so would that also keep the price down in Europe, UK, USA, Oz ... ? If all production moves
to India my feeling is that they would want pretty good componentry and QC.

Surely if the new SD is initially manufactured and assembled in Austria the Indian aspect would probably just involve assembly of Austrian manufactured components
Its the quality of the design and production of components that will give the perception of quality. I can't imagine engines will be assembled outside of the main factory in Austria.
Just my view

Read it as tho India will get a limited run of the bikes from Austria but eventual production will be there, shipped back to Austria for final QC before going out to markets. Can't see that making it cheaper as hasn't really worked for the smaller bikes but then I may not of read it right


BUT I just want a firm release date and price, don't they realise this is my keeper bike!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enjoy!!!

That the Patriotic Parade Edition? Nice to see the seat and pass foot pegs.

if i must ride one for my country, then so be it...but that speedo has to go

What the hell That colour scheme is boggin!

Change the colour and it will look pretty good. Would defo need a tail tidy, plus maybe a cowl for the clocks, a la the Speed Triple

This is a at 2014 dealer conference, I'm assuming in the USA

Wow, they must be planning to ride that one in a 4th of July parade next week. I'm off to find my Evel Knievel leathers and American flag cape.

Underneath the stars and stripes it looks just like the white with orange frame version that was posted here a couple months back. I like the headlight but as others have pointed out the instrument cluster has a bit of a "let's just bolt it on any where we can find room to stick it" look. Very similar to the way the do it on the Triumph Speed Triple.

The headlight is sorted out, thats a good sign. The pussy-tacho does not stay, the one of most progressive company in terms of design should be able for it. Everything else (tail tidy, exhaust etc) can be easily sorted with aftermarket stuff...

Paint job is nowhere near as slick as the MV Agusta Brutale America, but appreciate it's a "special". Headlight looks good but agree that the instrument cluster is a bit of a cluster fook and the exhaust is so damned ugly you'd simply. have to get aftermarket. All that said and all the time I've spent customizing my SDR - I still want one

im gonna keep my SD for another couple of years and let you guys test em out first, its paid for and i want to enjoy that for a while...

Looks good from the side, but that front headlight does not look right from the posted angle at 30 degrees from the front, too much space between bars and light.

It's not bad at all. The front looks a little funny with the small indicators and the giant gauges but the real question will be, how does it feel. I really don't care how it looks as long as its a blast to ride. Fat ass exhaust and bunny ear mirrors first to go.

They're following Ducati's lead with the lower headlight which I think is a mistake (one of the main reasons I didn't buy SF a couple of years ago, pipe/peg issue being the other). Looks tolerable from the side but shit from the front and no protection for the clocks...huge mistake.

looks alright to me . will strip it all down and get on track

oh hang on . . .there is no class for that engine

[quote="Stratkat"]hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and
Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R [/quote

Does'nt appear to be over the cc limit to me. Where KTM gets thier final numbridge designation from seems like a blindfold and a dartboard technique to me.
I am forever hearing twelveninety like it is reffering to cc's and not how many miles before the lectrics take a shit on you.

NO complaints from me - would love to have it or any one like it

they keep calling the biposto an "R" i wonder if there is only going to be one version now as opposed to an adittional higher spec mono posto?

Figured I'd post the stages of 1290 SuperDukeness. Doesn't look like much has changed (apart from the headlight, that I can tell) during development from first getting snapped.

i said that right from the first photo on the trailer, it looked pretty much finalized then...

The makers of tail tidy's / fender eliminators, are going to have a good year with KTM business.

That bloody thing looks like an Aprilia RS125!!

more pics of this...




in this link !
http://blog.derestricted.com/motorcycle ... t-edition/

excellent Jody!, it really looks pretty good especially in higher res, i dont even mind the exhaust as much as i thought i would.
i notice the decals dont have the 'R' anwhere as the prototype does, but it seems they refer to it as the 1290'R'. anyone know what the deal is?
think there will be an adittional 'R' version similar to the orange prototype? i think there will be...

i notice on the shroud closeup, they dont seem to have the cool aluminium washer backing the screw... thats a little disappointing, one of the little details i like about the current version...

More pics/could be the same as the 'destricted link' above
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/k ... on-photos/

Can't stand the front indicators. They just look out of place... aftermarket

I like my 1290 SD to be something like this. Cant resist open back wheel Number holder is shorter and clocks are not so intrusive on this sketch...


Howewer - the patriot edition does not look bad at all from this angle (below)... At the end its the engine, ergonomics and components which count...

i like the thing alot, it looks sooooo much better than the Toano and im thinking is going to be on par performance wise, maybe even better because it looks lighter.

How hard would it be to fit an RC8R full Titanium Akro system

i like it and have started saving
cant wait , came so close to buying a prilla the other week too

I have a vague plan forming in my head...

Sell current SD and buy an SMT so that I can do some two up touring and still have something fun to ride on solo blasts.

Wait two or three years for a fully sorted tricked up 1290 with next to no miles to come up as the more money than sense brigade start ditching them for whatever the latest new thing is at that stage. Buy that – Effectively better than new with all glitches resolved for less than half price.

Hmmm, bet I’m not the only one thinking that might be the best strategy!

Thank god for the new bike buyers that make life sweeter for us cheapskates

Patriot edition fuggin ugly IMO,,,duppid idea,,,,Harley already has the screamin eagle ,,,,,,How about a black one with an orange frame,,,,and those wheel's,,,,,,,wheres the "R",,

am i the only one that can see the R on the side fairings and tail ?

It's a one-off paint job for the US dealer show in Austria.....think you guys might be reading too much into an R....no R.

Really? How so?

Why couldn't they have put a smaller dash something like the Ducati monster..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... wAw&dur=42

I can see the patriot edition selling well in mid west and south, or at least drawing customers into the store. It would be ultimate redneck fantasy to blast down a freeway in texas doing wheelies on the patriot edition. Maybe Colin Edwards will ride a KTM next year in GP with patriot edition colors.

Hey its running at Goodwood Festival of speed this month. Jeremy McWilliams will be riding it on 18th. Who's going?

my son is going

yeah thats true. im still hoping they come out with a single seater which i think id opt for this time around...

no thank you, it still looks like a giant ant.

Well taste differs

Not even tempted when i tell you wet weight is 190kg on this one

Comoon Live and let others live - usually the problem is in your head I havent touched my SD for 3 weeks now, too lazy to screw new thermostat in and the weather is hot So put this example in any possible context you can imagine, and try to realise that usually the problem is in your head. Dribble, man of the word - what is your point on this one

the prilla is proper ugly , but a great bike to ride
is goodwood still on , on the 18th ?

Wow, saw the 1290 Superduke ridden up the hillclimb at Goodwood today by Jeremy McWilliams, i only saw it on it's back wheel but it went like stink and sounded amazing.
Still a bit unsure about the styling though.

Ffs someone get a video of it on the hillclimb

comes with tyre warmers as well
Hey Nerd i like that little Honda

found this photo, still no video about.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/clicks_100 ... 56670@N00/

i want to hear it at full song, not some shitty dubstep!

from KTM:

KTM UK Videos will come soon. We promise they will be good. BRRRAAARRRPPP!

[youtube]http://youtu.be/sadYiH3dm88[/youtube]

The more I see it, the more I hear it...
I'm thinking of taking a loan, and buying it as soon as it's available.
Never did that before, but you only live once...

Here's three pics my mate sent from Goodwood FoS yesterday.

Where is the video????? I would really like to see Jeremy McWilliams tearing up the hill climb.

i'm getting restless

Still no video but there are some good (low res) images of the run up the hill here...

Go here for a close up action shot

I sat there waiting, and waiting, camera in hand, sweating my nads off, camera set to video for all the bikes to come up the hill.

Nothing, the superduke didn't run in the morning session, not sure if it did in the afternoon. So, in the 4 days, I saw it run once up the hill. That once, was mighty impressive though.

The suspense is killing me aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Looks pretty "electric" in action OEM side exhaust must go first thing on street version

I think they could maintain the look of the underslung exhaust by using a collector box under the engine in the same way they did with the 2008 Duke 690 and the titanium full system for the RC8.
You could then have the side mounted end can sprouting off the same box.
I really hope KTM/Akropovic can duplicate the look of the prototype; not just the pipes but the whole bike.I'm hoping there will be a single seat R modelto which we can add the full Akro and achieve a comparable look.I.e. just add lights to the prototype.It looks hugely better than the standard bike such as the Patriot we've seen recently.

well spotted!

but the question everyone is asking..

They keep it top secret Thing feels light, moving around.

Here's a glimpse at 1:55

It's at mpora.com/videos.Someone do us all a favour.

Try this

Hmmm.

Hmmm?

What the shit is that god awful music doing on there??!!??

Its like they're trying ti hide what it sounds like right in the top end rpms...

Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

64 out

Supergay beat me to it

Many thanks, Superdan,you're a technological marvel!

Shame I could not fix the wanky sound

still sounds awesome and looks great on the run!

See the V4 Tuono has been given a nice internal makeover but so looking forward to the release of the Beast, as some have said would've preferred an RC8 style exhaust BUT emissions have tightened and at least with a 'normal' exhaust aftermarket options are going to be more numerous. Just remember KTM the update Tuono comes in at £12342 OTR so please price sensibly!

64kid wrote:
Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

64 out


You're avatar! Crass! Thats a long time ago. Nice!

Thanks,
And they're still keeping it real: http://thehippiesnowwearblack.wordpress ... ory/crass/
I think the Duke would've been the 'anti-system' vehicle of choice in the day lol

You'd have to think KTM's video editor might have kept the on-bike exhaust note running through-out the video as oppossed to cutting out on other camera views. Just a personal opinion I guess.

That's a cool vid. Bike looks a bit longer than the old one. Also looks pretty soft.

Shame they've messed about with the sound, would be good to hear it properly.

Howewer - the patriot edition does not look bad at all from this angle (below)... At the end its the engine, ergonomics and components which count...
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I am half tempted to take mine apart this winter and paint it that blue scheme ...... awesome ....... and i know how to paint

The Too-homo looks a bit bug like out of the showroom. Super Dans bike looks the bees knees though.

A bit of tweeking here and there and you can refine them to taste.

you think there's some way ( what's wrong with ) mounting that clutch and front brake reservoir closer to the center of the handlebars instead of up there in everyone's face ?? could it be adapted somehow ?

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really? with all the potential that this new bike has to offer you guys are not liking the reservoirs??
they are in the same place as the ones on our current SDs!

September issue of Bike magazine got a couple of pages on the Beast being setup for Goodwood, most we already know but was some interesting snippets

McWilliams riding the 1290SD at Goodwood was on Motors tv tonight. Anyone seen it?

*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XSmGebxiG8

OMG that thing goes like stink! It looks like the prototype so all singing suspension but still. Now who has 14k they want to give me?

Oh boy Oh boy, soon as leisure Trail have a demo, I'm there!

I don't care what it costs, but i will make it mine.

Punches off the corners well, top end gets eaten by the bmw, i hoped it would be closer..

Dunno what's been done to that BMW but it looks (and sounds) pretty stock from the little view of the cockpit we have in that video.

With that said the BMW rider was checking up way before the 1290 and wasn't even reving the bike out down the straights...just sayin. And, this is from the un-corked prototrype. The prody version will most likely be substantially slower out of the box.

One other thing of note is that the guy on the 1290 (presumably McWilliams) is light years better at riding than that BMW pilot.

Does anyone know what track that was? I'm usually pretty good at identifying a track from on-board video but this one eludes me.

Thanks, John

Just watched the vid again...not so sure it was McWilliams on the 1290 and if you look closely, it appears that this 1290 has a stock looking silencer on it. May infact be a production, or pre-production (off the assembly line) version.

Mcwilliams said on twitter that it wasn't him.

I reckon it's a production bike, pretty sure i spotted pillion pegs on it. But could be wrong.

Well spotted guys. So that could actually be the production bike. Well even better then

That's brilliant. Without knowing anything about the riders or the specs of the BMW, the drive out of the corners on the SD was heaps better and even the corner speed seemed better in most places.

The only place the BMW was hosing it was 200 km/hr plus which is 90% aerodynamics. A semi naked is never going to compete with a fully faired race bike up in that zone.

Just watched the vid again...for the third time. Now I know that the S1000RR in stock form is an absolute rocket....way too bloody fast for the street but I have to say I would have thought a 180hp (at the crank of course) V-Twin would have at least been able to hold it's own out of the corners. The BMW pulled along side and passed it like it was standing still on more than one occasion (even with a less than talented rider on the BMW).

Obviously we do not have all pertinent info but I would've expected a stronger showing accelerating out of slower corners.

You can't really tell much from that, apart from the superduke looks pleasing to the eye.

Not only do we not know the skill level of the 2 riders, or how far they are trying twisting the throttle; the thing is obviously a "work"

BMW is blasting past and then putting himself out wide , nearly coming to a stop in fact, to film the duke coming underneath. He slows so much that he's in the wrong gear on at least 2 occasions.

All things considered the SD looks like it performs quite well around the track but watching that video I get the impression the BMW rider could pass at any time he chooses. Considering McWilliams is the guy on the SD that makes me wonder who is riding the BMW? The ease with which the S1000RR goes by the SD on the straights is humbling. I guess that's what 170+ RWHP and a fairing gives you.

I get the feeling that that this is just two KTM guys having a bit of fun on a test ride. The BMW rider isn't pushing at all hard as if he's not used
to the bike. He's certainly not using all that traction control he's got! Once out of the corner he opens up a little but he's not really on
the gas as he comes out. On the other hand the KTM brakes later, goes in harder and most times comes out harder. Interestingly, a couple
of times the KTM looks a little wobbly going in. I thought the same of McWilliams at Goodwood. Surprisingly, the KTM can sometimes get
away from the BMW in a corner and if it does the BMW takes a fair while to crank up and catch it thus it is only on the big straights like
the main straight that the BMW has the time to crank up and the legs to send the KTM on it's way. Overall, I thought the KTM did remarkably
well for a naked.

If one were a suspicious type one might suspect that this is just a carefully orchestrated part of the marketing lead-up. eg Let's make it look
good against a BMW1000RR.

McWilliams confirmed it wasn't him on his twitter.

I think it's a bit crazy to try and compare an S1000rr with any naked. The guy riding the BMW was a wet blanket and obviously the KTM rider was trying a bit. They're not even comparable bikes.

The only thing you can take out the video is what you can see of the KTM. Take it for what it is.

It looks better than the goodwood video where the bike looked a bit of a mess on setup. Again, I spotted a quote from McWilliams a few days ago saying they had to do a bit of work to get it to handle for the hillclimb vid.

I'm sure it will be a really fun road or trackday bike. But no matter what it's never going to compare with a full on sportsbike on track.

I cant see any UK Battle series coming about as Ducati has extended the 848 Challenge for another 2 years and Triumph is continuing with the T3 Challenge which will keep running as BSBs entry level class. I think the package is 18 grand for the bike, 3tyres per round, and all your seasons entries, and you keep the bike after.

With the power and spec of the new bike it will be loads of fun I'm sure. And really, that's what naked bikes are about.

why are you guys so worried about how well it does against a superbike, its still going to be hellaciousy fast!
take it for what it is. me? i just cant wait.

All I know is the forums is starting a fundraiser to buy me one. Thanks guys, ilu all ;3

Thing is you want to smoke thoose sportbikes at trackdays !! who ever say otherwise is not true to himself .

In this Vid for me it looks likes the beemer dude is as fast and he aint even trying to be fast .... little disapponting a must say , shure the bmw is the fastest sportbike on this planet but he aint revving .. hmm

The new bike should at least have enough grunt to keep the big boys in site down the straights. This is good news.

Interesting article ion this month's BIKE magazine with some insight from Jeremy McWilliams.

I like that everyone is referring to the bike as "The Beast" too.

Oh cool, the bellypan seems to be split in two halves so we can replace a worn half at a time ...

[quote="Colonel_Klinck"]Found these

Pity about the paint work. Surely there must be a coating or finish that can be applied to stop the fluro from fading...

Obviously it's "fuck-all" is producing more power than our superdukes, but yes, the design is one that revs higher than previous ducati motors.

Shouldn't you be discussing this topic here:

It happened. Until this "Found these
"
post from

The Klinkenheizer Iwas not the least bit amused with all this El Grande, Supersize me. Duke-ology. That was then and this is now. I could change my vote to the last category.The new bike has now wedged a bit of intrigue into the motorcycling equation. Perhaps like Led Zeppelin " Ten Years Gone" will have me singing a new song. It will take new leaps and bounds in street tyre traction ability to deal with these torque monsters at anything approaching real lean angles. It may be perhaps that the Best bikes are already available, i.e. The SuperDuke as they have the ability to act with better manners than the point and shoot crowds that are now about. That FZ 9 may beat a new 1290 on a tight track, but the new 1290 sure is a gnarly mule.

Not to start a shit storm here but does anyone see a trend?

If no one sees it I will just keep my fingers away from the keyboard so as not to offend some of the, hmm hmm, less intelligent/sensitive types amongst us.

oh im sure Lowrance was directing that at me though i dont know why, but im sure he will elaborate.
Lowrence you have the floor...

You're all a bunch of nancys!

I parked my bike for now haha

Decided to take a break because all the heat from the cops lately.

when is this fooking bike coming!!!!!!!!!!!!! think i should have bought the adventure R instead , I could have been riding it

Don't think it's there marketing stratagy as much as it's their lack of manufacturing sufficient quantities. But from their viewpoint, better to make to few and fuel demand instead of too many and have to discout the price to move product.

In this case though I would assume they are letting the customers do the final developement work for them (as with every other KTM product in recent memory).

http://www.1290superduker.com/

Launch date maybe????

So. Something big is going to happen in 12 years

I know. I know. I know. Just my joke.

It even looks like the Real McCoy:

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sweet

Umm... My screen/timer tells me that something big will be revealed to me at midnight on 1st October. Now assuming that
you guys in the UK are being told the same thing (eg it is using location) then we in Oz will know about 8.5hrs before you. Am I correct in my assumption
regarding the arithmetic on that web page? If I am do not despair - somebody will post the details in real time.

Me? Well I might ignore the hype and be asleep - I've had the money burning a hole for a year or two so a few hours extra won't matter.

Thank me later.



Vid wont embed for some reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Fd8QMctR0

Hmmm.... short and sweet!

.... thank you Superdan