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OFFICIAL: New Super Duke R 1290

2,795 posts · Started by Bert · 13 Nov 2012

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Post 2 by Bert,

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PROTOTYPE KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R – EICMA 2012

Before glimpsing the fascinating future of the Super Duke, a short flashback: in 2005, the first pure street twin with the name Super Duke rolls out of the KTM halls and changes the world of motorcycles. Extremely agile and muscular, the bike lives up to its name – an unmistakable machine, with an aggressive sound, a bike to fit no pre-conceived notions and keeping out of no competitor’s way. Over the years, the Super Duke gets even hotter. Its power increases – as does its fan community.

The success of this uniquely dynamic motorbike confirms the veracity of KTM’s commitment to the Naked Bike, opening the door for further models. The merciless street fighter becomes the leader of a veritable pack of exhilarating bikes – all of them light, pure, top quality, and all without fairings. In 2011, KTM hits the bull’s eye of the small displacement segment with the 125 Duke. Almost 10,000 motorcyclists hop up, by no means just beginners. Just a year later, KTM stages another energetic escalation with the upgraded entry-level version 200 Duke, and puts the latest LC4 generation of the 690 Duke onto the grid – with well-known ingredients for maximum riding fun; with plenty of Single thrust at minimal weight; but also with more practicality, thanks to Drive-by-Wire and ABS. Another year later, there comes the athletic 690 Duke R, while at the same time, the brand new 390 Duke makes ready – a reasonable fun bike that will bring incredible enjoyment to riders all over the world.

Everything possible
So far, so good: 125, 200, 390, 690 and 990 cubic centimetres. But things don’t need to end there, even if nobody can make a case for more displacement purely based on rational considerations. Rather, it’s about enjoying power in abundance, about crazy acceleration, about tyres screaming for mercy, about pushing the limits of physics. Out of passion for the world of extremes. The world of KTM. The world of the new Super Duke.

Super Duke Onepointthree
At the EICMA 2012, KTM showcases the prototype of the future 1290 Super Duke R – a machine whose entrance needs no explanation and which shouts the very essence of the KTM philosophy unfiltered into the world’s face through two open megaphones. The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions. They are about showing what happens when the best technicians, designers and riders are unleashed in Mattighofen.

The developers started with another hefty rebore of the RC8 R engine in order to give it maximum punch. Around this two-cylinder elemental force, they fitted a tight suit tailored from light steel pipes, completing the chassis with a single-sided swing arm and the finest suspension components from the WP Suspension prototype development, as well as racing wheels, racing brakes and racing tyres. To this they added the finest carbon parts, countless working hours, and spilled sweat by the bucket. More sweat, more commitment, then finally, cheers. Job done. Rollout in Milan.

Wide open throttle
The best news comes last: KTM is already working on the production version of the 1290 Super Duke R, with that same enthusiasm. A good reason to look forward to 2013 – to the first press testride on the new Super Duke R.

The specifications
- Engine: liquid cooled V-twin based on RC8 R with Drive-by-Wire
- Displacement: more than ever
- Power and torque: very, very much
- Electronic assistants: ABS and traction control – stoppie and wheelie protection disengageable (of course)
- Top speed: depends on the rider’s courage and figure
- Frame: Trellis frame made of chrome molybdenum steel
- Swing arm: single sided aluminium swing arm
- Suspension components: WP prototypes – upside-down forks with gas pressure reservoir, directly linked rear shock
- Wheels and tyres: aluminium wheels with slicks
- Brakes: front and rear Brembo racing callipers
- Weight: incredibly low

Post 4 by Bert,

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Fap Fap Fap!

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Post 5 by Colonel_Klinck,

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VIDEO!

Post 7 by fuel,

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OMG, I'm in love, have to have (another) wank!

Post 8 by Millar,

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Better start saving

Post 9 by Colonel_Klinck,

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On the other thread I was thanking KTM, but perhaps I should also thank Bajaj??? Nevertheless, I think KTM is very ambitious and true to their fans.

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Post 11 by jambox,

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Sell the dog! Get the Mrs down Kings Cross turning some tricks. We can then eBay Ronin's garage contents to make up shortfall

Post 12 by Superdan,

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Any one else got it as their screensaver yet

Post 13 by Stratkat,

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I'm liking the dual exhaust. Plus free cameras! They'd better come on the production one

Post 14 by motoronin,

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Post 15 by MADDOG53,

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do they have a remote starter on it?

Post 16 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 17 by JohnJJr,

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Hope they put a fuel tank on it that hold's "ethanol"

Post 18 by tigerstyletroy,

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I guess doing 2 separate exhaust systems could save money on all the pipework that was required on the 990 to make them the same length? As long as it saves money I'm all for it.

Post 19 by PBRnr,

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Fook'n HELL YEAH !!!! 180 hp Double Hell yeah ! Looks like KTM is doin it right ! Man i need me some Jingle now $$$

sweet bike

Post 20 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Ahhh fook gotta start saving now

Post 21 by Viking,

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Post 22 by Stupid Luke,

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added a pole for fun

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Post 24 by Millar,

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Post 25 by jmann,

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Apart from the swingarm and a few styling bits, the 690 is exactly the same chassis as the stunt.

I never understood why everyone slated the 690 duke's looks whilst spunking over the Stunt concept. It would easy to get a 690 to look virtually identical for not much outlay.

Post 26 by weeksy,

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I'm enthusiastic however I note:

"The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions". Hopefully the road legal bike won't end up a dreary
non-event. I keep looking back at the MCN photo's and notice how one could take the exciting and convert it to mundane.

Will it have to have some dreary exhaust system to get it through compliance then a slip on system to make it interesting?

I like the fact that on the prototype one can see the engine. I notice it doesn't appear to have an air-box. It also doesn't have an adjustable
linkage on the rear suspension.

Post 27 by Davo-Singapore,

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I absolutely LOVE it.... God DAMN it's hot !!!!

Post 28 by Davo-Singapore,

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Anyone seen pics of the swingarm amd left side of the bike? Did I miss em?

Post 29 by MADDOG53,

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The orange colour looks great. Different shade, like Blood Orange maybe. Stunner.

Post 30 by Mr_Trecolareco,

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Post 31 by jjlester_74,

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Loved the bike, but the front end may end up like the 125, 390 and 690....and that's not agressive enough!!

Keep working on it!

Post 32 by 41KS,

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I love it
I need it
I buy it

Post 33 by Reb,

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YES

Post 34 by Spy84,

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Ahh man that is SWEET. Love that underslung exhaust. I wonder if they'll keep the under seat pipe for the road version or put it down the bottom like the RC8R.

Hope they dont spoil the looks by using some stupid headlight and mirror design that makes it look like a retarded moose.

All in all a brilliant effort. Pure sex on wheels.

Post 35 by smackman,

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I want this really bad but I don't have the heart to sell my current sd. Save up and keep both!

Post 36 by Millar,

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Like it alot ! Just put on that 2010 Duke 690 R Frontlight and its a go

Post 37 by Lowrance,

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I will be handing the SD down to the missus. Not worth selling as they'll be worth dog shit all. Plus it means the SD stays in the stable!

Post 38 by MADDOG53,

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Tuono V4 for sale? Could be. Do we have a launch date?

WIsh they would show us the swingarm--likely not finalized.

Post 39 by SDNerd,

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Looks just like the prototype photos (we saw months ago) save for some flashy paint, different exhaust/forks and no headlight.

Like I mentioned in that previous thread, the motor and brakes look like they could be brilliant. Single swinger, a no linkage rear suspension, very low seat height/high tank still a possible issue for me. Again I'll reserve judgment until I ride one but still can't help but wish KTM would have used the RC8R as the baseline for the new SD in lieu of the Adventure.

Just sayin.

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Post 41 by Millar,

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Is that the same frame as the 1190 Adventure? I was hoping more for a naked RC8R, but I guess to be a true urban assault vehicle an adventure/super moto style frame would be better in terms of ground clearance.

Post 42 by Superdan,

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I don't speak Deutsche, but here is a new video with more details.

Post 43 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 45 by stalker,

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seriously been looking at rc8r,s on ebay. thinking about a winter project

this has thrown a spanner in the thought process

thing is . . . .could i track a brand new bike ???..... .. . . . . . . .

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Post 47 by stalker,

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Post 48 by Colonel_Klinck,

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I could track it. Crash bung it up and get out there! It's only a machine and they can be repaired. Imagine the IL4s you could destroy with that

Post 49 by motoronin,

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Post 50 by OldSlowSteve,

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Sign me up.

Post 51 by Keenaz,

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That is fookin Gangsta! I love it! That has just smoked the Ducati Streetfighter!!!

Drool over single sided swing arm

Post 52 by websch,

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After changing my oil today which is always a PITA....I noticed that the new does not have an oil tank....would that means an easier way to change the oil??

Post 53 by Lowrance,

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It has an oil tank. Appears to be an integral part of the engine casting located in front of the crankshaft.

Post 54 by JohnJJr,

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Post 55 by JohnJJr,

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did i miss something ? Can't recall seeing any gauges or dashboard but that's ok by me

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Post 58 by BassAgent,

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I'm definitely likin it a lot...!!!
But it is a prototype...
For it to pass any smog laws...it appears to be
missing EVERYTHING...
The exhaust I'm not sure about...
I like it underneath like the RC8's...
I'd hope they go one way or the other...
Not both...
For me I can't tell if it actually has just one
throttle body on it...
The mask looks shiat to me...
Cameras are definitely a plus...
Just have to wait and see....
I'm sure they will address the tank issues...
I'd say that's a given knowing ethanol is here to stay
180hp...yah baby...
My "pole"..is waitn...

Post 59 by SuperHoon,

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I was just getting really to purchase some nice shiny forged ally wheels and to fabricate a custom tail piece (shorter) pretty much like the new bike. Now, I just want one of those. I think they've nailed it.

Post 60 by omky756,

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Ill be financing one for sure.

Maybe my SDR will work before then lol!

Post 61 by johnpav,

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i love it EXCEPT for the front mask.

everything else can stay how it is!!

i was thinking to myself the other day that i couldnt replace my SD with anything else if i was to smash it up or get it stolen, now i have found that something else.

pity now all the 990's will be worth stuff all in the 2nd hand market.

or that could be a plus for picking up a shed full of them for track use or starting a motorcycle gang.

Post 62 by omky756,

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How much of this is new and never before on another motorcycle? When the Duke I and the Super Duke came out it seems to me there was never anything really like them. On this example Super Duke what is new tech? ABS and traction control is not new, a single sided swingarm is not new. The engine is from what? Oh yeah the RC8. Exhaust has been done like that, wheels yep done before, suspension seen it.................WHAT'S NEW TECH and not NEW ART.......?

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Post 64 by Colonel_Klinck,

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What exactly were you hoping to see? I would love to know. Loads of modern tech is just more complicated shit to break! We are already going to have to hope someone comes up with something like TuneECU for this otherwise we are stuck with massive Stealer bills. It has ABS and traction control. Some people didn't even want that!

Post 65 by Superdan,

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Anyone have intel on whether or not this monster will be sold in the States?? I'm sure getting one out to Hawaii is going to be slim to none : / ..but if its carried in the mainland I can ship it out here which is how I got my SDR.

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Post 67 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Forgot to say that I don't think we're not going to see the new Super Duke without ABS because of the new regs in the EU and the States....but I hope it can be turned off when the rider doesn't want it?

Post 68 by motoronin,

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The Ultimate Hooligan Machine.

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Post 72 by fazer_1000,

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Holy shit indeed!!!!

Daryl just saw that and said 'Dan, you know I was going to get a cafe racer.....?'

'Yeah'

'fook that.....I'm having one of those, I start saving now!'

Post 73 by JohnJJr,

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Video's been removed by user.....WTF? I just booted up my desktop with massive speakers so I could bathe in that glorious noise...bring it back!!!! Now!!!!

Post 74 by SuperHoon,

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We got a look at the single sided swing arm in that vid and I think it looks nice. Not too bulky. Fook me does that sound insane!!!!! I'm off for another wank

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Post 76 by CEREC1,

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Here's another *crap* vid from MCN, showing some of the nice blings on the machine.

Post 77 by Colonel_Klinck,

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you guys keep beating me to it !!! 2:30 am here in California and just saw this video online on Facebook (-: Killer

Post 78 by OldSlowSteve,

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i am SO glad that the SD didnt go soft..

180hp would be fantastic on the streets!! i only get 1200km from a rear tyre with what HP we have now!!

Post 79 by Davo-Singapore,

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Swingarm pic (best I could get so far)

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Post 80 by Stratkat,

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Whats the chance of seeing this amazing brute at NEC in 2 weeks

Post 81 by jambox,

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Post 82 by Stratkat,

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If KTM would like to send one over here to Australia. I'll take it out into the Australian Summer. The desert, the hills, the traffic and give it a solid hard time. I'm just offering... I have the RC8 and the Superduke R. I love KTM...

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Post 84 by MADDOG53,

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i was watching the video. love the last bit where he wheelies thru the chain link fence.
id try that and with my luck id clip a handlebar on the fence!!

Post 85 by shadowman,

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Looks great doesn’t it.

I like the wheels but not the way they are painted. Overall look is good and you can get a feel for what the front end on the road bike will look like by imagining a KTM style mask and headlight slotted into the cage behind that camera mount. I think it might look even better with the lights and road gear fitted if it’s done with a bit of flair.

A black one would look good next to my 06 SD (also black) which I’m planning on keeping as I have room in the garage.

I had been thinking of getting an old 911 next year but I already have a reasonable car so perhaps this might have a bigger grin factor......... I’m probably too tight as I hate losing out on depreciation, perhaps better to wait a couple of years and buy a low mileage heavily modded one from someone with deeper pockets than me.

Overall much better than expected!

Post 86 by Superdan,

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This thread has brought more people out the wood work than any other thread I have ever seen on here

Post 87 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 88 by KTM666,

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Still think it looks like nothing more than a naked RC8 with higher bars .........................(just trying to keep ^^This^^ thread active by stiring the pot )

Post 89 by MADDOG53,

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I really like it, would prefer more black and a touch less orange. The engine sounds great. I wonder what sort of price it will be coming in at.

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Post 91 by Sabre,

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A naked RC8 with high bars is really what I want!

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Post 96 by blb,

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Its vorsprung durch BADASS

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Post 98 by Reb,

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I'm feeling uber optimistic I would imagine the 1290 is closer to the Adventure/SM frame than the RC8R. It worked first time round so why won't it work again? It made it so much fun on the back roads and in town. And it was still a beast on the track. KTM want that top street hooligan mantle back again this looks like it could deliver! I'm damned excited to see it in 12 days time at The Bike Show. Even more excited at the idea of a test ride in 12 months time.

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Post 101 by Sabre,

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After my crash and the subsequent ongoing track bike rebuild I was giving up road riding for good.

But then KTM fooked with my plans and designed this bad boy. Thats it then the wedding is off, the baby is cancelled. RC8 for the track and this for the road!! In my dreams..

I'll settle for a close up at the bike show then next Sunday

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Post 103 by Linga,

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Post 104 by Reb,

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No doubt the new bike will have its share of gremlins, as do all new models. There was no mention of different engine maps. No sissy sooky 'rain' maps. We get all the horses all the time.

Where does KTM get their TC from. Do they make their own? (Moto3 bike?) If they do their own for the Moto3 bikes, then they are clearly well sorted enough to win a world championship.

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Post 106 by motoronin,

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Guys, it is the prototype, I'm sure the boys and girls at KTM will provide us with an utter hooligan, this is, after all, what they do better than anyone...

Post 107 by CEREC1,

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Just a thought. Is it really so different, colour aside, from a Ducati Streetfighter. Panigale, version of which must be in the pipeline
Don't get me wrong, brand loyalty would mean I would always go for the orange bike.

KTM will have to make it special and different to make successful

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Post 111 by omky756,

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Ok, stand corrected the video was on page 4.

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Post 116 by jmann,

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Why don't we see SSS on MotoGP machines?

Post 117 by Linga,

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Here's my take on the new prototype,
As longs as the seat is not like a brick, has to be comfortable and be dual seat or able to be changed to single seat.
Get the valving right on this bike please, the SDR is a fook up with valving.
A fuel gauge would be of great benefit.
Able to turn the ABS and the other goodies off.
If I cant connect TUNE ECU to it I wont be buying one.
Be priced accordingly to the competition ie rsv4 tuono

Apart from that Im happy with the new concept
180 bhp is pretty sick

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Post 121 by MADDOG53,

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Decided last night to keep the "original" SD and wait till I can find a good "used" 1290 in a few, when the bug's are all worked out and everyone that buy's them find's all the niggling problem's that alway's arise on the "new" latest and greatest model,,so I'll let someone else take the price hit by buying new and I'll steal one in the dead of winter from someone that need's the buck's

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Post 123 by stalker,

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yep good thinking klunky . . . . . . . . right up to the bit when . . . . someone passes you on park straight with the front wheel up using 180 horses

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Post 126 by motoronin,

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Not sure that anyone mentioned it, but in the interview with the KTM rep, he said that the bike was a work on progress and nothing has yet been finalized, body work, suspension, etc. He especially mentioned the exhaust, as currently shown would NOT make it onto a production bike. Too loud and not clean enough (smog wise)

However, he expects that in 12 months time the production models will be rolling off the assembly line.

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Post 132 by Linga,

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That's fooking ages away ........

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Post 135 by motoronin,

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Well... selling an organ would be too much afterall ...please excuse my emotion

Post 136 by RED ZX,

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Let us gaze again at the beast

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Post 138 by 990EXODUS,

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My only concerns so far are that the seat looks too low, one of the big selling points for my SDR was how well I fit (197cm tall).

Also hope the front mask/gauge setup does not ruin the look too much.

And really hope that when you turn the traction/wheelie control off, that it actually does turn off, not just 80% off.

Post 139 by Viking,

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Love:
Single exhaust per cylinder.
ABS you can turn on/off.
1290.
Everything else.

Not a fan of:
Single Side Swingarm… Why add weight and flex??

My two cents:
I reckon the headlight assay need to be a scaled up version of what's on this prototype + the shape of the 05-06 light (a small throwback)
Not sure how you'll make the exhaust meet noise standards, but love 1 under belly + 1 under tail. Side exhaust would be gay.

No?? Excuse my shitty photoshop effort...
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Post 140 by Colonel_Klinck,

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The frame looks much stronger than the RC8R. Very similar to the 1190 Adventure frame, but tilted forward and different tail section. I wouldn't mind losing the SSS to cut down on cost and add durability. Most likely the stock exhaust setup will be a single pipe like in the spy shots from before or similar to 1190 Adventure because catalytic converters are super expensive, but they better have the same after market dual exhaust setup option with no cat.

Post 141 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Single sided arms are for over-priced Italian exotics, and Brit wanna-be's!!! Put a regular arm on there & I might sell my Nuts for it!!!
Also, I'd have kept the under seat ex. Looks much more symertical with the underseat pipes.

P.S. Sorry for the overpost, Herr Colonel!! Heil Hitl...OOOps!!!LOL!

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Post 144 by Lowrance,

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So if the new SDR is going to put out 180hp, whats the new RC8 going to produce??????????????

Post 145 by SDNerd,

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I think you'll find the "prototype SDR" is making 180 at the crank in a completely unrestricted state of tune. That'd make it about 160-165 at the wheel. After they fit all of the noise and exhaust emmisions crap we're probably looking at 160ish at the crank....145-150 at the wheel. With some fettleing we'll probably end up somewhere around the 160ish mark at the rear (which is no sloutch by the way).

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Post 147 by lockers,

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Well I f**kin love it, hope they don't change anything

Exhaust is badass......and the swingarm looks awesome !!!!!

I'm just hoping for that bonus at the end of the year now

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Post 149 by Stratkat,

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KTM historically don't talk shit though…

When companies quote weight for instance, KTM might say 186kg + fuel. And not give bullshit figures like dry weight 169kg which means that the bike has no fork or engine oil.

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Post 151 by Crotchrockety,

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this is a showbike not more not less, it draws attention of people and thats why it was presented like this.
It has no airbox basically no exhaust and the RC8R engine with a little bit more volume, i do believe the engine comes close to 180HP,
but the street legal version will not come close to that number. I'm with SDNerd we will see around 160HP on the street legal bike
and thats plenty for this kind of bike.

Post 152 by Stratkat,

#152
I'm in if it comes here...this thing looks sick.

Steve
00 sv 6fity
05 ST3

Post 153 by SDNerd,

#153
... yeah but then theres bragging rights. im thinking KTM knows the stats on the Touno and is probably using that as a datum point no?
no rational bike company wants to design a second tier machine and KTM is not rational that way. thats what im thinking anyway

Post 154 by Superdan,

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Post 155 by Lowrance,

#155
I'm reserving judgment until the model is finalized. I'm somewhat surprised / concerned by KTM's decision to release a prototype racing bike that wouldn't qualify to race in any existing class. Otherwise, I kinda dig the styling - excepting the low slung, down syndrome / stroke victim mask and nut crushing seat (obviously not meant for the street). But, I'm waiting to hear the final figures on height, weight, power and brakes before I get too excited. I don't care if it has TC, ABS or God forbid wheelie control. However, I do hope KTM keeps the weight down and retains the manueverability of the original.

Post 156 by MADDOG53,

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Post 157 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 158 by Superdan,

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Post 159 by Ducati Pete,

#159
BMW already has the K1300R. It produces 173hp. KTM is simply reclaiming the Ultimate Hooligan Machine title.

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Post 160 by Superdan,

#160
I think there will be a few us lined up waiting to buy the used ones...,

Post 161 by MADDOG53,

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Post 162 by stalker,

#162
if they brought it out tomorrow , i would buy it

Post 163 by Stratkat,

#163
In order, these were my thoughts upon discovering and immediately reading all of this monster thread:

1) Shiny!
2) Bollocks, I was supposed to buy a house next year.
3) If I had a fiver for every good looking concept bike that didn't make it to production intact I'd have...at least 20 quid, probably more, so I'm not going to get that excited yet.

[watches promo video]

4) I'm definitely buying one at some stage
5) I wish I could back it in like KTM's stunt rider person
6) Don't understand the naysayers - the essence of the SD is an agile, naked V-twin that looks and rides like nothing else out there. Why wouldn't you want them to be bold with the look of the thing?
7) If the cameras make it onto the production model, will definitely require a camera memory wipe switch on the bars. How cool would it be if KTM thought of that and put it on there?
180BHP? Can't wait to watch somebody trying to hold on down the straight at Snetteron or Silverstone. Stomp Grips required methinks...
9) I can't sell the old one, and I still need to get a GSX-R750, a Fireblade, a 600RR, a 950SMR, a Panigale, an S1000RR, an 848 and a Buell of some description...I may need a double garage.

Post 164 by MADDOG53,

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Post 165 by PBRnr,

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Post 166 by KTM666,

#166

Shows its been up 2 days, has had 128k views and I haven't seen it in this thread yet??? probably been posted a ton already and i'm probably just the last to know
edit: just occurred to me that maybe people can't post over the fap'ing, tho i'm doubtful this thread will surpass the neked pix

Post 167 by PBRnr,

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Post 168 by omky756,

#168
I KNEW IT HAD TO BE SOMEWHERE BURIED IN HERE! Thanks for redeeming my belief that at any given time, folks are not letting SD news go unposted here....ah well, hate to say it, but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

jk

Post 169 by Superdan,

#169
but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

Maybe..I'm a little older..
N what not...
But what's a
"Dub step"..??????

Post 170 by PBRnr,

#170
Education for old boys, Dubstep:



Well the beatbox version anyway (hopes he knows what beatbox is) Dubstep is drum and bass style music, with big bass drops.

Post 171 by Colonel_Klinck,

#171
Thanks for sharing the insight Superdan

I love the new SDR. I'm a bit of an old fart Ill buy one as soon as poss, my life's ticking away too fast, can't wait for a second hand one. Think I might struggle to find a buyer for my 55 year old kidney. Still there's always EBay!

Post 172 by PBRnr,

#172


sorry, couldn't resist. back on topic, personally i think the video made me more excited for the bike than the pics, release, or supposed specs. I, like so many buyers, are just suckers for riding skills that are far beyond my own abilities

Post 173 by paul81,

#173
Wow, way off topic, but I can't help meself.



Steve
05 st3
00 sv6fity

Post 174 by stalker,

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Post 175 by Sabre,

#175
If KTM are only going to do a new bike every 8 years they need to go big wth the HP, KTM are resting on their laurels 180HP will be nothing in 2020.

Post 176 by Viking,

#176
I'm not so sure about that. 110 hp is still something in this day and age of 200 hp at-the-crank machines. IMHO better motorcycles are all about usable power, especially for naked bikes where you won't ever set a speed record. folks have long been saying that more horsepower doesn't make a better bike, just like megapixels don't make necessarily better cameras.

just speculating, but I'm thinking lighter bikes, better suspension/brakes/fueling/tyre compounds will make a better bike in 2020 than purely hp #'s, though it sells the bikes quite well.

Post 177 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 178 by Stupid Luke,

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Post 179 by KTM666,

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Post 180 by stalker,

#180
handling for the twisty bits and enough horses to hold a sports bike down the straight. . . . . . .lights my fire

Post 181 by stalker,

#181
So I've been watching that ridiculous KTM "The Beast Escapes" promotional video and I have to admit it's working! I'm drinking the orange Kool Aid and I must have this bike as soon as it comes to the States. It is simply the baddest ass thing I've ever seen. At first I didn't like the SSS but now I think even it suits the bike perfectly as it looks so minimal yet strong like everything else about the new SD. Just give me a semi-comfortable seat like my '08 standard SD has and I'll be at the KTM dealer writing a check the day this thing becomes available! I'm sold.

Post 182 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 183 by stalker,

#183
nope. . . .

Post 184 by Colonel_Klinck,

#184
Means you get a chance to do them again at the next corner

Post 185 by stalker,

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Post 186 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 187 by KTM666,

#187
aaaaaah . fair enough then , i feel such a fool for mentioning it .

Post 188 by stalker,

#188

Post 189 by Colonel_Klinck,

#189
.....I did one lap at the crash fest where I did more grass than tarmac

going for the wide line into Gooseneck ...er a bit to wide straight across the slightly wet grass.....back on the track .... just in time for
Mansfield .......Still wondering how I missed the Gooesneck ....B*ll"ck's ....missed the Chicane

...Wets...I was tempted to fit Knobblies

Post 190 by stalker,

#190
Knobblies. . . .its tempting to fit a set for a play on a bit of dirt .

Post 191 by KTM666,

#191
I actually enjoyed day 1 in the wet.

Knobblies on a SD Sounds amazing but would sooooo end in tears.

Post 192 by stalker,

#192
day one wet was fun , the evening more so with the fresh meat that turned up.

Post 193 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 194 by weeksy,

#194
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Post 195 by fatbob,

#195

Post 196 by shadowman,

#196
I won't be buying one for a fair old time, it will be years rather than months.... Too much money for my budget. I'd bloody love one though and as soon as Premier in Didcot have one to Demo, i WILL be on it

Post 197 by MADDOG53,

#197
I think by the time it's actually released we will all have enough fooking money for one
What a fooking joke it is really to spend years to come up with the bike
Considering a large % of it already exists its piss poor from ktm

Post 198 by fatbob,

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Post 199 by Colonel_Klinck,

#199
KTM,,,small company really compared to the other's,,last thing I read was that employies were on a "revolving volentary lay-off",,,I would rather them take the time to do thing's right the first time out than to "rush" thing's along,,,mistakes could cost them big time and they know it, and in this economy it would hurt them all the more,,,,,the release of the SD-SDR's in the states in 07-08 had to be the worst timming ever as they didn't sell ,,people weren't working,,,unemployment can't buy a $13000 motorcycle so they sat for a few until thing's got better,,,can you blame KTM for being cautious this time around

Post 200 by stalker,

#200
Nah I am a grumpy twat today ............... Kidney stones
Besides I've been on a sports bike for 2 years and was hoping for this bike a year ago
Fair comment about the resource rhough

Post 201 by Millar,

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Post 202 by cloonster,

#202
gents, anyone know if its definitely going to be at the NEC this weekend?

Post 203 by JohnJJr,

#203
Just got back from the motorcycle show in California Bay Area USA -- KTM didn't even have a booth - i guess that makes sense ....... or does it

Post 205 by SDNerd,

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Post 206 by Stratkat,

#206
KTM havent had a booth at the Intermot show here for about 5 yrs running.

Post 207 by cdlabate,

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Post 208 by omky756,

#208
So far..
The only thing that's been
unexpected in this thread
has been
"Dubstep"
Lol

Post 209 by SPEIRMOOR,

#209
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Post 210 by Superdan,

#210
13k in sterling, but bikes are always loads cheaper in the USA even if they are made in UK like a triumph?!

Just had a google to see the prices of rivals from MCN and Ebay:

Ducati streetfighter 11.5k
Better spec S 14.5k

Triumph Speed triple 9k
R 11k

Aprilia Tuono 9k
APRC 10k

Superduke 8k (current)
Superduke r 9k (current)


Depends if the new superduke has traction control etc but its going to be 9.5-11k IMO and the R version 11-13 depending on spec, then after 6-8 months the prices will drop when they realise they made too many and no one bought them

Post 211 by fatbob,

#211
Looks like we will see it in the flesh next week

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According to mcn it's due later next year and almost production ready

Post 212 by Stratkat,

#212
it looks pretty finished. im sure they have been working on it for a while

Post 213 by fatbob,

#213
Yeah 2 years it says
The chief designer states it has more torque at idle than the 990 at peak!!!
Cam that be right ?
He says the SSS will allow them to her the exhaust nearer to the bike

Post 214 by cloonster,

#214
nice one fatbob. so its official, if the weather is decent on sunday i am there like a bear.

Post 215 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 216 by CEREC1,

#216
Well the BLB and myself will be there
Just want to see this new SD in the flesh.

Post 217 by Colonel_Klinck,

#217
1190 Adventure pricing in uk is looking very pricy so don't think the SD SDR are going to be much cheaper if at all.

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/forum ... unced.html

....KTM 1190 ADVENTURE: PRICES ANNOUNCED
Prices confirmed on new KTM 1190 Adventures and
Motorcycle Live the first opportunity to see them in the UK
After being officially unveiled to the world at the start of October,
KTM UK can now confirm the new KTM 1190 Adventure and
Adventure R will cost £12,595 and £13,195 respectively.
The bikes will be shown in the UK for the first time at Motorcycle
Live (NEC, Birmingham), November 24 to December 2, and will
be available in dealers from March 2013.....

Post 218 by stalker,

#218
pfft ... ... .

Post 219 by fatbob,

#219
Mcn states feb 2013 adventure £11190 & R 11837

Post 221 by fatbob,

#221
Wouldn't be the first time mcn got it wrong

Post 222 by stalker,

#222
mcn no , really .. .. .

Post 223 by fatbob,

#223
Maybe it's an option thing , there's a suspension option I think

Post 224 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 225 by Superdan,

#225
They can feck off if they think I'm paying over 10k even used would only pay 8k for a bike max, I could buy 3 decent bikes for 13 k!

Post 226 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 227 by Stupid Luke,

#227
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Post 228 by Colonel_Klinck,

#228
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Post 229 by Ducati Pete,

#229
To make it look like that add at least 1K for a zorst!

Post 230 by fatbob,

#230
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Post 231 by Ducati Pete,

#231
and then struggle to get it out on any UK track.

Post 232 by Superdan,

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Post 233 by Ducati Pete,

#233
I actually liked it Dan!

Post 234 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 235 by KTM666,

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Post 236 by TLS_Russ,

#236
Fly by wire..... traction control...... zzz,zzzz,zzz........ hope they found a better supplier for the wiring loom

Sounds real wicked on the video though..... but.... was the sound dubbed on after

Post 237 by Superdan,

#237
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Post 238 by Jody,

#238
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Post 239 by weeksy,

#239
Poor performance from KTM, not having it at the NEC

Post 240 by Superdan,

#240
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Post 241 by weeksy,

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Post 242 by Superdan,

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Post 243 by Colonel_Klinck,

#243
Wasnt it on the cover of MCN s coverage of the show this week?

Post 244 by weeksy,

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Post 245 by Colonel_Klinck,

#245
TOYS! PRAM! OUT!

Post 246 by weeksy,

#246
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Post 247 by Anata,

#247
Spoke to my dealer today and they now have two names on the list for the bike. He phoned KTM UK when the first guy ordered one and apparently it will be the first in the country. There is apparently a 3rd name going on that list on Monday or Tuesday. Typical Jersey really, a few of these will be for sale by early 2014 with less than 500 miles on the clock, I've seen it all before.

Post 248 by CEREC1,

#248
You mean we are not going to see it tomorrow. Pile of crap if true

Post 249 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 250 by Superdan,

#250
Yeah there is a guy with 3 RC8'S one of which has a 2k Evo 6 akra exhaust only produced for race series....tax havens eh....

Post 251 by Ducati Pete,

#251
By the way, at least 6 UK dealers will de delivering "the first in the country"!

Post 252 by Anata,

#252
He's from Guernsey and I believe he has every model of RC8. The Akra edition one has his name in gold leaf on the front. A few years ago at Le Mans he did a couple of sessions in the morning then was on the vin rouge for the rest of the day.

Post 253 by Ducati Pete,

#253
Sorry, didn't mean to slander your Island!

Post 254 by Sabre,

#254
Went to the NEC today with my lad,nothing really outstanding on display as already stated the new SDR protortype was'nt anywhere to be seen. Overall it was a lot smaller than in years past and to be honest i was a bit dissapointed with it all,so Superdan you've not really missed much. Legged it at 12 o'clock as we needed to be back in Lincoln at 1400hrs

Post 255 by Superdan,

#255
Dont think I have been to the NEC for 4-5 years, really no bikes I have been fussed about seeing....until now, but alas they could no be arsed to bring it.

Would have gone anyway had I been 100% just for a catch up

Post 256 by Sabre,

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Post 257 by KTM666,

#257
I was there today........best bit was meeting all the guys from the forum ...that were at Crash Fest

Klinky, Sabre and his son, Cerec1, Broken Leg, Gin Reaper, Duchess

Nice to meet you all again

Post 258 by CEREC1,

#258
So, is this thing going to make it to the US? What do you think the price will be?

Post 259 by Ducati Pete,

#259
It won't make the UK for 18 months minimum according to the KTM staff. Don't hold your breath.

Post 260 by fatbob,

#260
18 Months?

I suppose a major model refesh every decade is just about right for a company that aspires to be Europe's 2nd biggest motorcycle manufacterer.

Post 261 by CEREC1,

#261
Dear Santa

Post 262 by Ducati Pete,

#262
18 months!!! I know it's not everybody''s cup of tea but I quite like the Ducati SF S and in 18 months time Ducati may well have a Panigale engined (or similar) Street fighter available. I'm really disappointed if its going to take KTM so long. Much as I love the Superduke (I'm on my third) my dealer nearest dealer is 11/2 hrs away compared to 30 mins for the Ducatii dealer. Plus the servicing costs of the newer Dukes are pretty reasonable. Hope KTM get their act together and bring to us sooner otherwise I think they may well lose out

Post 263 by SDNerd,

#263
I thought at Milan they said the production version was well under way and would be available in late 2013? Or was that only if you live in Austria?

Post 264 by fatbob,

#264
Mcn strikes again
Just stood outside having bought my ticket and reading this post about no bike !!!!
Gutted

Post 265 by Anata,

#265
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Post 266 by Ducati Pete,

#266
The most exciting bike at the NEC is my Panigale on the Austin Racing stand:)

Post 267 by Colonel_Klinck,

#267
But I only have to pop into my dealers to see one of those!

(They have a DesmoRR with 700miles on it - yours for £35500!)

Post 268 by Ducati Pete,

#268
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Post 269 by Colonel_Klinck,

#269
It's funny cause it's true ...... oh

Post 270 by CEREC1,

#270
Just watched Bikeword on Motors tv and the interviewer asked the KTM UK guy at the NEC Live Bikeshow about the new SDR.
His reply was the Beast shown at the Milan show is a prototype but fingers crossed it will be made.
Definately no guaranties or when available though

Post 271 by Lowrance,

#271
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Post 272 by Ducati Pete,

#272
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Post 273 by DribbleDuke,

#273
Now I know how those UFO spotters feel when a "sighting" is exsposed as a hoax.

Post 274 by stalker,

#274
How many cc's will the regular bored Superduke be?
Will KTM sell an overbored Superduke

Post 275 by Millar,

#275
2014 . . . . . . . . . .ffs

Post 276 by SDNerd,

#276
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Post 277 by Lowrance,

#277
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Post 278 by stalker,

#278
Trust me.

I wouldn't buy "The Launch Bike" If I were yous. You'll end up being an unpaid development rider.

Been there with the Duke II and Duke III. As well as the Superduke.

Only buy if it's launched in U.S. first.

There are Well documented threads of EU launched bikes and cars from KTM. Where owners have had nothing but greif. KTM stay Schtum about any defects until after you have moaned and given details of probs on the Forums.
No acknowledgement to yourself or dealer network. You will be complaining for Months. New model will be launched with your detailed greivances addressed and with no thanks to ourselves for highlighting any problems.

And still we love 'em

Post 279 by Colonel_Klinck,

#279
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Post 280 by CEREC1,

#280
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Post 281 by stalker,

#281
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Post 282 by Ducati Pete,

#282
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Post 283 by Ducati Pete,

#283
thinking about streetfightering a rc8 , mainly for the extra hp to drag my fat arse around a track

Post 284 by Stupid Luke,

#284
fukhisass72 is a bit dramatic. The 05 superduke, and I had a pretty early one wasn't full of problems. Actually they seem to have faired better than the later R models. The starter clutch thing is the only big one that springs to mind.

Ceric, no. I want a second hand one. I won't buy new when I only ride on track a few times a year.

Post 285 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 286 by stalker,

#286
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Post 287 by Ducati Pete,

#287
LOL - when I quoted that post, for some reason I thought it was Jody!

Ah well, I have Stalker described as Mr blobby on speed so I won't delete it!

Post 288 by stalker,

#288
i am fat , as i think has been mentioned . i just wish i could drop a few stone to help me be as quick as you MotoGP riders


here all week guys

Post 289 by SDNerd,

#289
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Post 290 by Davo-Singapore,

#290
pmsl

Post 291 by MADDOG53,

#291
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Post 292 by tigerstyletroy,

#292
now that is interesting

Post 293 by CEREC1,

#293
Looks like photoshop spoof to me. Front end looks like current model, no headlight either.

Post 294 by Lowrance,

#294
Exhaust would never fly...no silencer, cat, etc.

Post 296 by Stratkat,

#296
I've had 2 2005 SDs and they've been just fine until I started buggering them about (sorry) I mean 'tuning'.
I think we've known for a long time that the new SD is to be launched in the autumn shows 2013 and in the shops Easter 2014.
This is why I've bought an interim bike.
KTM marketing tell me that they are not dumbing down the SD: it will be a raw edged bike with the same attitude as the original.
So, if the production SD is anything like the prototype I will be placing my deposit as soon as they are taking them.

Post 297 by Stratkat,

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Post 298 by Millar,

#298
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Post 299 by MADDOG53,

#299
Deffo a photshop mash up. There's not enough room behind the headlight to hold the lamps, and not quite sure what's going on with those pillion peg supports?

Post 301 by Stratkat,

#301
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Post 302 by Colonel_Klinck,

#302
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Post 303 by tripoddave,

#303
It's a mock up and not a good one at that.

Post 304 by Stratkat,

#304
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Post 305 by Ducati Pete,

#305
what is it that you guys find so bad about it?

Post 306 by CEREC1,

#306
No pink frame.

Post 307 by stalker,

#307
Or a natty little bell

Post 308 by MADDOG53,

#308
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Post 309 by Stratkat,

#309
That thing looks cooler than shite,,,,betcha thats what we get,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Post 310 by Colonel_Klinck,

#310
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Post 311 by JohnJJr,

#311
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Post 312 by Jermo,

#312
I have not read all 15 pages but i bought this monts SSB mag and they have a artical on it.
They have the same pic of the track only bike.No headlight etc

All I can say is I have a very tricked out RC8R with all the bling a true track weapon. And if this bike is for real The RC8R is gone
I am just worried about the price.Thats what killed the first RC8R's they had to dumb them down so they could get them to sell in the 16-17 k range.

This bike has more stuff than the 20k RC8R I don't care if it's street legal I want it for the track anyway. I have slicks on my RC8 now seems like the more track days I do the less I want to ride this kind of bike on the street .The cops know me on a first name basis I can't afford the tickets.

I want one as much as I love the RC8R once you dial it in. I miss handle bars and the riding position .
I hope this is real and the price is not crazy .This bike will kill the RC8R sales for sure.So I just wonder if they will let the US market have it.

Anyone over forty years old will want it VS their RC8 just for the back pain alone
RC8R power or more. Lighter and a great riding position how can you say no .

I will get one for sure I just hope it's what the pics are but with the EPA is the USA going crazy you can't even find a pipe for your RC8R now I hope it comes with the akra The bike just so sweet It's a dream come true I hope so far my dealer does not have any info until I showed him a pic and told him I want the first one he gets.
Maybe 2014 if we are lucky or 2015 if it's real

Post 313 by TLS_Russ,

#313
Some pics in today's MCN. Bike spotted by some German dude parked up in Tenerife. Not the most detailed but hopefully some more pop up somewhere.

Image

Image

Image

Post 314 by Linga,

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Post 315 by SDNerd,

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Post 316 by Superdan,

#316
Some spy pics in mcn today. Front light is ghey looks like an MT01 yam, front mudguard ghey also rest is nice. Will scan pic tomoz if its not on mcn website by tomorrow.

Post 317 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 318 by Ducati Pete,

#318
Quite obviously the production bike was going to be different in many ways.

I am quite suprised at how bad that looks though.

Post 319 by Colonel_Klinck,

#319
I'm going to reserve judgement until the final bike is shown off. They can't show off that prototype and then throw out something that looks nothing like it.

Post 320 by SDNerd,

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Post 321 by TLS_Russ,

#321
Dont MCN write some crap................ `Shorter and more steeply raked than the 990` yea right... the front would tuck just pushing it out of the garage if it was

Post 322 by Lowrance,

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Post 323 by JohnJJr,

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Post 324 by AGRO!,

#324
That bike looks crap!!

Post 325 by MrZ32,

#325
What bike? Show the pics please. .. can't find in Google

Post 326 by AGRO!,

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Post 327 by jmann,

#327
There's a fine line between a thing of beauty and an object of great ugliness. I guess Gerald Kiska was
involved in the former (the prototype) and the Accountants and Emissions Controllers the latter (the pre-production bike).

To me the pre-production bike looks very much like the ugly thing we saw about a year ago. The exhaust can, by necessity,
be fixed at a price but the bodywork - that's inexcusable ... One can only hope that they know what they are doing and just
judging reactions. If you are listening KTM then - THAT BIKE IS FOOKING UGLY AND WILL NEVER SELL!!!

Post 328 by AGRO!,

#328
Cant they think of a better idea for that gay head light?
What the hell went wrong from the orange prototype to this?
STUPID KTM!!
Just get a duke 200 nearly looks the same less power but a lot cheaper and looks just as gay..

Post 329 by MrZ32,

#329
Thanks guys. .. I now feel sick. What a f@ck up that thing is.

Well even though the too homo looks ugly, it looks like much less of an after thought. The headlight is fugly, the exhaust looks retarded.

Can we start the poll again please because I want to change my vote. Plus side is I'm gonna save myself 30 grand... The bike plus cool exhaust and forks etc...

To me it looks like one big mess... fightered rc8r for me then.

Post 330 by AGRO!,

#330
The RC8R fighter is a better idea anyhow its a race bike with all the good parts.

Post 331 by nampus,

#331
Am I the only one who isn't surprised they used the 390/125 headlight?
I like it actually Think it looks quite good. If I had the money I would consider buying one....
Just replace the license plate holder, strap on a nice short slip-on, and paint it orange and black

Post 332 by MrZ32,

#332
GIVE US A NEW POLL!!!!

Post 333 by Colonel_Klinck,

#333
for those who couldn't go back a page

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Post 334 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 335 by smackman,

#335
I think it will be nice in the flesh ...Hope that headlight not is too simular of the ones that triumph S3 is banned with ...

And it looks like two is possible ...and there will be an Ktm powerparts cowl for an cleaner tail ..and Akro .. mmm it will be nice im sure .

Did someone say w h e e l i e s

This pic makes me think if they do one std and one r ..

Post 336 by Stratkat,

#336
i agree. and when you look at the prototype, its really not thet far off, i feel it captures the soul of that well enough. the paint will make a difference for sure

Post 337 by Lowrance,

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Post 338 by Ducati Pete,

#338
I think our problem is the original SD show bike looked SO good, and the production bike was very, very close and at the time was right on the money.

It may be a 8 year old model but it's a hard act to follow.

Post 339 by MADDOG53,

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Post 340 by KTM666,

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Post 341 by JohnJJr,

#341
Oh Dear I hope KTM haven't isolated themselves from us "Community Folks". Nah! they don't do that.

Post 342 by SDNerd,

#342
I think that headlight is some aftermarked POS that i've seen selling on flea bay very often....

The whole bike's been redesigned with a naked streetfighter as the intended goal... and then i have to look at these photos -- why am i pissed !! WTF -

Post 343 by nampus,

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Post 344 by MrZ32,

#344
looks more like they strapped this unit to the front: Image

Post 345 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 346 by JohnJJr,

#346
Looks like a prop for Transformers 5. Ist Scheiße!

Post 347 by SDNerd,

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Post 348 by JohnJJr,

#348
Mmmmmmmm ... MV Agusta ... Looking better by the minute:

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Post 349 by SDNerd,

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Post 350 by Stratkat,

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Post 351 by Colonel_Klinck,

#351
i cant imagine getting rid of my SD either, as much as i hate it sometimes. ive wanted to sell it several times but after a while away,
usually waiting for parts, i cant wait to get back to it. thing is ive gotten it pretty much where i want it, plus i finally own the thing free and clear!

Post 352 by BassAgent,

#352
MCN this week has a quote from KTM saying its expected to be launched and selling by Oct 2013. Great news if true! Not that I can afford one mind

Post 353 by boney95,

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Post 354 by Stratkat,

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Post 355 by BassAgent,

#355
Well i found this pricing for the new adventure so the SD cant be too far off

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/kt ... ng-europe/

So what does the European pricing tell us about the cost of these bikes in North America? Well if KTM continues with its current pricing scheme, we can expect to see an almost 1:1 conversion rate from euros to dollars (e.g. the KTM 990 Supermoto T costs €13,295 in the EU, while it is priced at $13,999).
This means that the loaded KTM 1190 Adventure & KTM 1190 Adventure R will hit dealers with a price tag in the $15,500 range, making both bikes very competitive in this market segment, assuming both are brought to North America. It will be interesting to see how BMW Motorrad prices the all-new 2013 BMW R1200GS against KTM’s potent offerings.

Post 356 by CEREC1,

#356
The price will be doable for me. I just hope i dont regret being one of the first round owners by running into a bunch of issues hahaha

Post 357 by AGRO!,

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Post 358 by BassAgent,

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Post 359 by fatbob,

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Post 360 by mick 990,

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Post 361 by Colonel_Klinck,

#361
October isn't far away

Post 362 by blb,

#362
Thats looking pretty close to the finished article now. Still don't like the headlight or the exhaust much but it will look fabulous in orange thats for sure.
Won't be able to afford one though anyway

Post 363 by jambox,

#363
They're the same pics that were in MCN on page 15. Just the original (digital) quality.

As I said in the other thread, the clocks and headlight don't look right. The SSS doesn't suit and it needs a belly pan.

But once its painted it should look not too bad. I'd need to see what the PP were though (hoping for a bikini fairing at least).

Post 364 by smackman,

#364
In Oktober it will be ready for our eyes . Then on Order for 2014 unfortunatly late ..

Post 365 by Superdan,

#365
Please change the headlight..........please change the head light..........please change the headlight.

Post 366 by rocketchick,

#366
Fook me more electronics.

Post 367 by mick 990,

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Post 368 by johnpav,

#368
I hate the fact that Andy (Downes Syndrome) Downes concocted the report, he slated the R last year. Wants a kicking, crap reporter and anti KTM!

Post 369 by stalker,

#369
still like it

Post 370 by paul81,

#370
shame i can't change my vote. dissapointing, it looks dull as dishwater, just like the new 690 duke. i'd rather have the older version.

Post 371 by ktmguy,

#371
Have to admit it is getting lamer the closer it gets to production.
It also takes a lot of time to get it out, imagine how many sales lost....The current model is still the same as 8 years ago

The MV looks indeed better all the time. I love my SD to bits but I guess when it ever goes it will not be replaced by the new model.
Come on KTM get your finger out and sort it!

Post 372 by duffman,

#372
I loooved the prototype and was already moving my funds around to be able to get one.
But after seeing the spy shots, I'm not that sure anymore. It looks boring. Bit like a mashup of a CB1000, Cagiva Raptor and Kawa Z750

Post 373 by 41KS,

#373
If its 170kg and 180hp and less than 9,999€, I would not care But its really a joke besides of 1290 prototype... To put exhaust in front of this open rear wheel is design-handicap as well as the front light and speedo Duke 690 is a beauty compared to it Anyway, less problems - keeping mine 08 for longer then, who cares

Post 374 by Colonel_Klinck,

#374
I'm waiting to judge the final production model. After showing that prototype and all the hype I can t believe they will release something that's has none of the attitude.

Post 375 by Stratkat,

#375
its funny because its got almost the same parts the the prototype R has.
the tail section is obviously diff, but the shrouds, tank, swingarm, rear fender, sprocket are all off the R.
but that stupid headlight is just awful.
it needs the Rs belly pan too that helps alot.

Post 376 by jmann,

#376
Aren't we taking the photos as the near production ready bike rather than hi-res versions of the the mule that appeared
in MCN a long time ago? After then the prototype has appeared with some hints at things to come not the other way round.
Yes, of course, its going to have a crap exhaust system to get it through the emissions laws but hopefully there will be other options.
Cartridge forks - well we are sending mixed messages. Either we want them and are prepared to pay or we take stock
options and have a bike built to a price. Unfortunately, I suspect that not to many people will put their money where their
mouth is - some don't have it. It's always been like this. When I was young I used to ride on the threads...

Post 377 by Linga,

#377
I like it.
It will be an upgradable road version.
I'll probably get one and mod the fook out of it.
I think the new promo video will be better than the last and the stunt rider on it will show what it can really do.

Post 378 by cdlabate,

#378
Im keeping my 08' because it's badass!

Post 379 by Linga,

#379
Oh I'll be keeping mine... I have the set... I'd like an 07+ SD as a stunter though.
I have my eyes on the auctions.

Post 380 by Millar,

#380
The dashboard looks to be the same as the new 1190 adv, it looks really dated. We need a nice slimline lcd screen like the Panigale, then it would give scope to reduce the size of that bloody headlight. I hate the way instrument cluster sits on top of the headlight rather than being integrated.
Trouble is with all the electrics, you will be tied to that dash, otherwise I would just ditch it for a small aftermarket version and stick and exc light on it.

Post 381 by stalker,

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Post 382 by gregor eisenhorn,

#382
just stick a number plate on it and start selling the thing , before it goes out of date

Post 383 by Ducati Pete,

#383
What the eff is with that exhaust. Was there going to be a standard version and and r version?

Post 384 by CEREC1,

#384
The showbike's zorst would never get through a track day noise test - let alone a homologation emissions test.

Post 385 by mick 990,

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Post 386 by weeksy,

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Post 387 by mick 990,

#387
Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...

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Post 388 by JohnJJr,

#388
[quote="mick 990"]Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...

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I like that headlight setup - very different

Post 389 by mick 990,

#389
Look at the first picture, we can see on the triangle of the tubular frame what seems like a part of a air box who is not there on the 1290R prototype or the last picture...

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Post 390 by jambox,

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Post 391 by JohnJJr,

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Post 392 by couchcommando,

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Post 393 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 394 by Stratkat,

#394
yep pretty much the same and looking better all the time. the single seat section is really what seperates the 2 machines and always has. the R has always looked better to me and ive never even owned one!
i think we are going to be seeing lots of leaks now, looks like they are finishing it up. like the headlight much better...

Post 395 by Stratkat,

#395
where are you guys getting these images, i cant find anything!!

Post 396 by jambox,

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Post 397 by CEREC1,

#397
In dealers showroom in December in the UK from what my dealer has been told. KTM about to discount the remaining SDR's to shift the last ones in time.

Post 398 by Willh,

#398
Seat to bar distance looks to be shorter than the 990, more hooligan, less roadster

Post 399 by MADDOG53,

#399
I still don't want one,,,,,, ,,,betcha it's gonna cost,,$$$$$$$ and then all that "good stuff" for it will be even more,,,,,,,

Post 400 by Stratkat,

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Post 401 by jmann,

#401
When and where was this photo taken?

Post 402 by MADDOG53,

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Post 403 by JohnJJr,

#403
Talking with a guy from a UK KTM dealer the other day who has seen the bike and its going to be around £14k they reckoned....

Post 404 by fatbob,

#404
I really like the seat on the prototype ... i'm just having a hard time getting used to looking at the HARD CHINES of the other seat.

the 1290 engine looks badass.

Post 405 by tripoddave,

#405
I think 14K is to high to compete with the Aprilia , we'll see
the price tag wouldn't stop me buying it though , Ive been really tempted by the adventure which looks sweet.
In fact it wasn't to disimilar to the protoype bike , and with the finishing touches it looked even better

Post 406 by Colonel_Klinck,

#406
This is repeated by Visordown today:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 22708.html
so it must be true

They, too, say £14,000 which is a hell of a lot of wonga for a naked when the RC8R is cheaper - you can even get 2012 RC8Rs (new) for £10k.
Still, I like the styling especially the single sided swing - arm and the exhausts will go in favour of an Akra system or maybe a Zard.

Post 407 by Superdan,

#407
One thing I don't like is the pillion foot peg doubling as a exhaust mount. I would whip the pillion pegs straight off but that isn't a option. Hope they come up with something else for that area. Also seems silly covering up that wheel like that.

Post 408 by Jermo,

#408
I love it, glad they listened to me and changed the headlight

However 14k!? come on, I would never spend that much on a bike. However knowing KTM they will be discounted in no time

Post 409 by robjederuiter,

#409
Looks like there is a separate tank cover like the CBR600RR has, would be a good solution to the tank problems.

Post 411 by cheeheese,

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Post 412 by tripoddave,

#412
Agreed. I hope they tidy up that whole exhaust layout/package.
That big, black, flute styled can ruins the rear. The shiny heat guard isn't winning any style points either.

Post 413 by CEREC1,

#413
As if that muffler won't be in the shed within two weeks of picking the bike up.

Post 414 by JohnJJr,

#414
I expect that we've all asked our dealers when the 1290 will be in.
Redline had some important people in from KTM last week so I took the opportunity to ask when the first bikes will be on the road in the UK.
I am told that the first bikes are due to be in the UK end April / beginning of May 2014.
Deposits MAY be being taken as early as the NEC show.

Post 415 by Stratkat,

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Post 416 by Lowrance,

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Post 417 by CEREC1,

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Post 418 by Lowrance,

#418
No there hasn't.

Post 419 by Stratkat,

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Post 420 by nampus,

#420
And that wasn't even a real SD-R. 2008 was the first (and by most accounts) the only real SD-R. Apparently all later years have standard SD motor with a big orange R on the rad shrouds.

Post 421 by Lowrance,

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Post 422 by cheeheese,

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Post 423 by jambox,

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Post 424 by Stratkat,

#424
Loud and clear.
Not a precise science as say; an M3 or GTI

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Post 426 by mick 990,

#426
we got bot the standard RC8 and the R here, think you can still get Rs have never seen either on the street just at dealers.
guess we'll just have to wait and see what they come up with, cant wait myself

Post 427 by mick 990,

#427
Ha! If KTM don't get this bike into production soon the dialogue will degenerate to

Remember when we were young and used to ride Super Dukes ... Remember that R model with the orange frame ...

You guys are half way there already

Post 428 by stalker,

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Post 429 by Stratkat,

#429
From what I've heard here and there will be:

- Superduke 1290 Standard 180hp ...

Superduke-1290R to 197hp ... Probably full Akrapovic + High Performance Air Box and a further 500 to 1000rpm ...

-And Surprise ... There would be developing a RC8R said (Ducati Killer) It would be a 1290 with a peak of 225hp! Electronic suspension and all the high tech gear ...

Personally I find these numbers very optimistic but achievable... So for those who complain about the double seat and the distance from the prototype, there will be a Duke for you for an justified extra .. Once with the new head light in place, finish made​​, painting and stripes, the beast will have an incredible look...

The dealer have an appointment at Mattigoffen very soon, so we should be fixed very soon ... remains to know the price of all this... ...

For more ...

Post 430 by jmann,

#430
According to an article I read:
Having based on the engine of the 1190 RC8R, the engineers did not have to redo all the work for "porting" the head, the intake system and camshaft as is the case for the new 1190 Adventure. They increased the bore 3mm causing the engine displacement of around 1264cc to my calculations ...

And if we follow with a calculation of proportion to the RC8R of 173hp, we arrive at 183hp so the 180hp is very plausible ...
By cons, if the same calculation is performed over the RC8R TRACK 179hp, we arrive at 190hp, we are far of the 197hp ...

But hey, all these hypothetical values ​​for its time, and many other improvements and changes had to be made ​​elsewhere in this engine ... And even at 180hp, it will be more than enough...

Post 431 by SDNerd,

#431
Never can there be enough

Post 432 by mick 990,

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Post 433 by Linga,

#433
Rc8r will not exceed 1200cc unless they change the rules of SBK while in talks with them.
Chances are that a new rushed superbike will come out before 2015 if talks are sorted.
Those numbers are a bit bollocks, unless KTM has decided to use Ducati's release book!!
I know of A Panigale that is making less than the 1098 Dynoed on the same dyno...

Post 434 by DribbleDuke,

#434
The Superduke SDR prototype is set to parade up Lord March's drive at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed.
So state the Saturday Telegraph today.Shame I haven't got a ticket.

Post 435 by Stratkat,

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Post 436 by Stratkat,

#436
hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R

Post 437 by ktmguy,

#437
not sure what "premium" motorcycles Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki are manufacturing, at least their prices here arent reflecting Indian manufacture...

Post 438 by jmann,

#438
Well as much as I like the bike I have to say that KTM has a very weird marketing strategy!
lots of hype but no susbstance mainly. The engine is there in different models so how hard can it be? In the mean time other brands sell bikes.
I know a few people who swapped brands coz it takes too long.
Same with the adventure 1190, here has been on the market for months now but the states still don't have it I believe.
One can only hope that the price will be similar or lower than the ADV 1190 which is just over aud 22 k here.
When the SD first came out it was 24k +
If they manage to keep it under 20 they might have a chance.

Post 439 by SuperHoon,

#439
Not sure what the implication of that article is. Doesn't it just say that some of the 1290's will be produced in India
to supply the local market and keep the cost competitive. Is it also implying that Total production will be from India
to the rest of the world. If so would that also keep the price down in Europe, UK, USA, Oz ... ? If all production moves
to India my feeling is that they would want pretty good componentry and QC.

Post 440 by CEREC1,

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Post 441 by enigma990,

#441
Surely if the new SD is initially manufactured and assembled in Austria the Indian aspect would probably just involve assembly of Austrian manufactured components
Its the quality of the design and production of components that will give the perception of quality. I can't imagine engines will be assembled outside of the main factory in Austria.
Just my view

Post 442 by mick 990,

#442
Read it as tho India will get a limited run of the bikes from Austria but eventual production will be there, shipped back to Austria for final QC before going out to markets. Can't see that making it cheaper as hasn't really worked for the smaller bikes but then I may not of read it right


BUT I just want a firm release date and price, don't they realise this is my keeper bike!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post 443 by soarsore,

#443
Enjoy!!!

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Post 444 by PBRnr,

#444
That the Patriotic Parade Edition? Nice to see the seat and pass foot pegs.

Post 445 by Millar,

#445
if i must ride one for my country, then so be it...but that speedo has to go

Post 446 by jambox,

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Post 447 by Stratkat,

#447
What the hell That colour scheme is boggin!

Change the colour and it will look pretty good. Would defo need a tail tidy, plus maybe a cowl for the clocks, a la the ImageSpeed Triple

Post 448 by mick 990,

#448
This is a at 2014 dealer conference, I'm assuming in the USA

Post 449 by 41KS,

#449
Wow, they must be planning to ride that one in a 4th of July parade next week. I'm off to find my Evel Knievel leathers and American flag cape.

Underneath the stars and stripes it looks just like the white with orange frame version that was posted here a couple months back. I like the headlight but as others have pointed out the instrument cluster has a bit of a "let's just bolt it on any where we can find room to stick it" look. Very similar to the way the do it on the Triumph Speed Triple.

Post 450 by Exitman,

#450
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Post 451 by Stratkat,

#451
The headlight is sorted out, thats a good sign. The pussy-tacho does not stay, the one of most progressive company in terms of design should be able for it. Everything else (tail tidy, exhaust etc) can be easily sorted with aftermarket stuff...

Post 452 by Superdan,

#452
Paint job is nowhere near as slick as the MV Agusta Brutale America, but appreciate it's a "special". Headlight looks good but agree that the instrument cluster is a bit of a cluster fook and the exhaust is so damned ugly you'd simply. have to get aftermarket. All that said and all the time I've spent customizing my SDR - I still want one

Post 453 by cdlabate,

#453
im gonna keep my SD for another couple of years and let you guys test em out first, its paid for and i want to enjoy that for a while...

Post 454 by Millar,

#454
Looks good from the side, but that front headlight does not look right from the posted angle at 30 degrees from the front, too much space between bars and light.

Post 455 by AGRO!,

#455
They need to make the dash smaller and i had to laugh at the front indicators

Post 456 by Blackduke77,

#456
It's not bad at all. The front looks a little funny with the small indicators and the giant gauges but the real question will be, how does it feel. I really don't care how it looks as long as its a blast to ride. Fat ass exhaust and bunny ear mirrors first to go.

Post 457 by Lowrance,

#457
They're following Ducati's lead with the lower headlight which I think is a mistake (one of the main reasons I didn't buy SF a couple of years ago, pipe/peg issue being the other). Looks tolerable from the side but shit from the front and no protection for the clocks...huge mistake.

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Post 459 by stalker,

#459
looks alright to me . will strip it all down and get on track

oh hang on . . .there is no class for that engine

Post 460 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 461 by DribbleDuke,

#461
[quote="Stratkat"]hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and
Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R [/quote

Does'nt appear to be over the cc limit to me. Where KTM gets thier final numbridge designation from seems like a blindfold and a dartboard technique to me.
I am forever hearing twelveninety like it is reffering to cc's and not how many miles before the lectrics take a shit on you.

Post 462 by JohnJJr,

#462
NO complaints from me - would love to have it or any one like it

Post 463 by Lowrance,

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Post 464 by AGRO!,

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If it was in all black get rid of that pipe plus smaller dash and bar end mirrors it would look ok.
If you look at a street fighter when its coming towards you it looks like a scooter because of the headlight.
Also single sided swing arms are a pain in the butt as they can seize up and if you bend a axle it costs heaps to replace..
As for the new SD i wont be buying one as i think the old model looks better sorry KTM.

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Post 471 by jambox,

#471
they keep calling the biposto an "R" i wonder if there is only going to be one version now as opposed to an adittional higher spec mono posto?

Post 472 by jambox,

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Post 473 by Stratkat,

#473
Figured I'd post the stages of 1290 SuperDukeness. Doesn't look like much has changed (apart from the headlight, that I can tell) during development from first getting snapped.

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Post 474 by soarsore,

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i said that right from the first photo on the trailer, it looked pretty much finalized then...

Post 475 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 476 by AGRO!,

#476
The makers of tail tidy's / fender eliminators, are going to have a good year with KTM business.

Post 477 by ozarkhomie,

#477
That bloody thing looks like an Aprilia RS125!!

Post 478 by AGRO!,

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Post 480 by Stratkat,

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excellent Jody!, it really looks pretty good especially in higher res, i dont even mind the exhaust as much as i thought i would.
i notice the decals dont have the 'R' anwhere as the prototype does, but it seems they refer to it as the 1290'R'. anyone know what the deal is?
think there will be an adittional 'R' version similar to the orange prototype? i think there will be...

Post 481 by Stratkat,

#481
i notice on the shroud closeup, they dont seem to have the cool aluminium washer backing the screw... thats a little disappointing, one of the little details i like about the current version...

Post 482 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 483 by AGRO!,

#483
LOL!! To me there is something not quite right about the new SD the front doesn't match the rear
Why don't they just put that engine in a Duke 200
I reckon you would be better off just doing a RC8 conversion.

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Post 485 by 41KS,

#485
Can't stand the front indicators. They just look out of place... aftermarket

Post 486 by Stratkat,

#486
I like my 1290 SD to be something like this. Cant resist open back wheel Number holder is shorter and clocks are not so intrusive on this sketch...
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Howewer - the patriot edition does not look bad at all from this angle (below)... At the end its the engine, ergonomics and components which count...
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Post 487 by CEREC1,

#487
i like the thing alot, it looks sooooo much better than the Toano and im thinking is going to be on par performance wise, maybe even better because it looks lighter.

Post 488 by jmann,

#488
How hard would it be to fit an RC8R full Titanium Akro system

Post 489 by fatbob,

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Post 490 by shadowman,

#490
i like it and have started saving
cant wait , came so close to buying a prilla the other week too

Post 491 by MADDOG53,

#491
I have a vague plan forming in my head...

Sell current SD and buy an SMT so that I can do some two up touring and still have something fun to ride on solo blasts.

Wait two or three years for a fully sorted tricked up 1290 with next to no miles to come up as the more money than sense brigade start ditching them for whatever the latest new thing is at that stage. Buy that – Effectively better than new with all glitches resolved for less than half price.

Hmmm, bet I’m not the only one thinking that might be the best strategy!

Thank god for the new bike buyers that make life sweeter for us cheapskates

Post 492 by stalker,

#492
Patriot edition fuggin ugly IMO,,,duppid idea,,,,Harley already has the screamin eagle ,,,,,,How about a black one with an orange frame,,,,and those wheel's,,,,,,,wheres the "R",,

Post 493 by Stratkat,

#493
am i the only one that can see the R on the side fairings and tail ?

Post 494 by Lowrance,

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Post 495 by Stratkat,

#495
It's a one-off paint job for the US dealer show in Austria.....think you guys might be reading too much into an R....no R.

Post 496 by AGRO!,

#496
Really? How so?

Post 498 by Katomic,

#498
I can see the patriot edition selling well in mid west and south, or at least drawing customers into the store. It would be ultimate redneck fantasy to blast down a freeway in texas doing wheelies on the patriot edition. Maybe Colin Edwards will ride a KTM next year in GP with patriot edition colors.

Post 499 by Davo-Singapore,

#499
Hey its running at Goodwood Festival of speed this month. Jeremy McWilliams will be riding it on 18th. Who's going?

Post 500 by stalker,

#500
my son is going

Post 501 by Lowrance,

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Post 502 by Stratkat,

#502
yeah thats true. im still hoping they come out with a single seater which i think id opt for this time around...

Post 503 by smackman,

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Post 504 by Stratkat,

#504
no thank you, it still looks like a giant ant.

Post 505 by smackman,

#505
Well taste differs

Not even tempted when i tell you wet weight is 190kg on this one

Post 506 by AGRO!,

#506
I've ridden the ape and they go great! But I still like the look of the old .SD with the newer head light.I don't think I will be buying the latest .SD either as I'm not a fan of single sided swing arms.

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Post 508 by 41KS,

#508
Comoon Live and let others live - usually the problem is in your head I havent touched my SD for 3 weeks now, too lazy to screw new thermostat in and the weather is hot So put this example in any possible context you can imagine, and try to realise that usually the problem is in your head. Dribble, man of the word - what is your point on this one

Post 509 by AGRO!,

#509
I use to like single sided swing arms but I did own a Speed Triple so enough said.
I think you might find on the new Super Duke that you have to remove the silencer to get the tyre off?
Any how if you really feel you need a single sided swing arm just buy yourself a moped

Post 510 by fatbob,

#510
the prilla is proper ugly , but a great bike to ride
is goodwood still on , on the 18th ?

Post 511 by SDNerd,

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Post 512 by stalker,

#512
Wow, saw the 1290 Superduke ridden up the hillclimb at Goodwood today by Jeremy McWilliams, i only saw it on it's back wheel but it went like stink and sounded amazing.
Still a bit unsure about the styling though.

Post 513 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 514 by CEREC1,

#514
Ffs someone get a video of it on the hillclimb

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Post 518 by SuperHoon,

#518
comes with tyre warmers as well
Hey Nerd i like that little Honda

Post 520 by Katomic,

#520
from KTM:

KTM UK Videos will come soon. We promise they will be good. BRRRAAARRRPPP!

Post 521 by D4NPH,

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Post 522 by Woody80,

#522
[youtube]http://youtu.be/sadYiH3dm88[/youtube]

Post 523 by Supaduke,

#523
The more I see it, the more I hear it...
I'm thinking of taking a loan, and buying it as soon as it's available.
Never did that before, but you only live once...

Post 524 by Davo-Singapore,

#524
Here's three pics my mate sent from Goodwood FoS yesterday.

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Post 525 by Lowrance,

#525
Where is the video????? I would really like to see Jeremy McWilliams tearing up the hill climb.

Post 526 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 527 by SuperHoon,

#527
i'm getting restless

Post 528 by shadowman,

#528
Still no video but there are some good (low res) images of the run up the hill here...

Post 529 by shadowman,

#529
Go here for a close up action shot

Post 530 by 41KS,

#530
I sat there waiting, and waiting, camera in hand, sweating my nads off, camera set to video for all the bikes to come up the hill.

Nothing, the superduke didn't run in the morning session, not sure if it did in the afternoon. So, in the 4 days, I saw it run once up the hill. That once, was mighty impressive though.

Post 531 by Mr_Trecolareco,

#531
The suspense is killing me aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Post 532 by Spy84,

#532
Looks pretty "electric" in action OEM side exhaust must go first thing on street version

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Post 533 by SuperHoon,

#533
I think they could maintain the look of the underslung exhaust by using a collector box under the engine in the same way they did with the 2008 Duke 690 and the titanium full system for the RC8.
You could then have the side mounted end can sprouting off the same box.
I really hope KTM/Akropovic can duplicate the look of the prototype; not just the pipes but the whole bike.I'm hoping there will be a single seat R modelto which we can add the full Akro and achieve a comparable look.I.e. just add lights to the prototype.It looks hugely better than the standard bike such as the Patriot we've seen recently.

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Post 536 by Stratkat,

#536
well spotted!

but the question everyone is asking..

Post 537 by Lowrance,

#537
They keep it top secret Thing feels light, moving around.

Post 538 by SDNerd,

#538
Here's a glimpse at 1:55

Post 539 by shadowman,

#539
It's at mpora.com/videos.Someone do us all a favour.

Post 540 by Supaduke,

#540
Try this

Post 542 by Supaduke,

#542
Hmmm.

Post 543 by SuperHoon,

#543
Hmmm?

Post 544 by Superdan,

#544
What the shit is that god awful music doing on there??!!??

Its like they're trying ti hide what it sounds like right in the top end rpms...

Post 545 by 64kid,

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Post 546 by 64kid,

#546
Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

64 out

Post 547 by Superdan,

#547
Supergay beat me to it

Post 548 by AndersH,

#548
Many thanks, Superdan,you're a technological marvel!

Post 549 by enigma990,

#549
Shame I could not fix the wanky sound

Post 551 by 64kid,

#551
still sounds awesome and looks great on the run!

See the V4 Tuono has been given a nice internal makeover but so looking forward to the release of the Beast, as some have said would've preferred an RC8 style exhaust BUT emissions have tightened and at least with a 'normal' exhaust aftermarket options are going to be more numerous. Just remember KTM the update Tuono comes in at £12342 OTR so please price sensibly!

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Post 553 by Viking,

#553
64kid wrote:
Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

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You're avatar! Crass! Thats a long time ago. Nice!

Thanks,
And they're still keeping it real: http://thehippiesnowwearblack.wordpress ... ory/crass/
I think the Duke would've been the 'anti-system' vehicle of choice in the day lol

Post 554 by MADDOG53,

#554
You'd have to think KTM's video editor might have kept the on-bike exhaust note running through-out the video as oppossed to cutting out on other camera views. Just a personal opinion I guess.

Post 555 by Stratkat,

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Post 556 by smackman,

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That's a cool vid. Bike looks a bit longer than the old one. Also looks pretty soft.

Shame they've messed about with the sound, would be good to hear it properly.

Post 557 by JohnJJr,

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Post 558 by Ducati Pete,

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Howewer - the patriot edition does not look bad at all from this angle (below)... At the end its the engine, ergonomics and components which count...
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I am half tempted to take mine apart this winter and paint it that blue scheme ...... awesome ....... and i know how to paint

Post 559 by Stratkat,

#559
The Too-homo looks a bit bug like out of the showroom. Super Dans bike looks the bees knees though.

A bit of tweeking here and there and you can refine them to taste.

Post 560 by JohnJJr,

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Post 561 by Mr_Trecolareco,

#561
you think there's some way ( what's wrong with ) mounting that clutch and front brake reservoir closer to the center of the handlebars instead of up there in everyone's face ?? could it be adapted somehow ?

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Post 565 by enigma990,

#565
really? with all the potential that this new bike has to offer you guys are not liking the reservoirs??
they are in the same place as the ones on our current SDs!

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Post 567 by ktm08,

#567
September issue of Bike magazine got a couple of pages on the Beast being setup for Goodwood, most we already know but was some interesting snippets

Post 568 by Colonel_Klinck,

#568
McWilliams riding the 1290SD at Goodwood was on Motors tv tonight. Anyone seen it?

Post 570 by SuperHoon,

#570
OMG that thing goes like stink! It looks like the prototype so all singing suspension but still. Now who has 14k they want to give me?

Post 571 by Lowrance,

#571
Oh boy Oh boy, soon as leisure Trail have a demo, I'm there!

Post 572 by Lowrance,

#572
I don't care what it costs, but i will make it mine.

Punches off the corners well, top end gets eaten by the bmw, i hoped it would be closer..

Post 573 by SuperHoon,

#573
Dunno what's been done to that BMW but it looks (and sounds) pretty stock from the little view of the cockpit we have in that video.

With that said the BMW rider was checking up way before the 1290 and wasn't even reving the bike out down the straights...just sayin. And, this is from the un-corked prototrype. The prody version will most likely be substantially slower out of the box.

One other thing of note is that the guy on the 1290 (presumably McWilliams) is light years better at riding than that BMW pilot.

Does anyone know what track that was? I'm usually pretty good at identifying a track from on-board video but this one eludes me.

Thanks, John

Post 574 by Colonel_Klinck,

#574
Just watched the vid again...not so sure it was McWilliams on the 1290 and if you look closely, it appears that this 1290 has a stock looking silencer on it. May infact be a production, or pre-production (off the assembly line) version.

Post 575 by charger,

#575
Mcwilliams said on twitter that it wasn't him.

I reckon it's a production bike, pretty sure i spotted pillion pegs on it. But could be wrong.

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Post 577 by enigma990,

#577
Well spotted guys. So that could actually be the production bike. Well even better then

Post 578 by paul81,

#578
That's brilliant. Without knowing anything about the riders or the specs of the BMW, the drive out of the corners on the SD was heaps better and even the corner speed seemed better in most places.

The only place the BMW was hosing it was 200 km/hr plus which is 90% aerodynamics. A semi naked is never going to compete with a fully faired race bike up in that zone.

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Post 580 by Lowrance,

#580
Just watched the vid again...for the third time. Now I know that the S1000RR in stock form is an absolute rocket....way too bloody fast for the street but I have to say I would have thought a 180hp (at the crank of course) V-Twin would have at least been able to hold it's own out of the corners. The BMW pulled along side and passed it like it was standing still on more than one occasion (even with a less than talented rider on the BMW).

Obviously we do not have all pertinent info but I would've expected a stronger showing accelerating out of slower corners.

Post 581 by Ducati Pete,

#581
You can't really tell much from that, apart from the superduke looks pleasing to the eye.

Not only do we not know the skill level of the 2 riders, or how far they are trying twisting the throttle; the thing is obviously a "work"

BMW is blasting past and then putting himself out wide , nearly coming to a stop in fact, to film the duke coming underneath. He slows so much that he's in the wrong gear on at least 2 occasions.

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Post 585 by jmann,

#585
All things considered the SD looks like it performs quite well around the track but watching that video I get the impression the BMW rider could pass at any time he chooses. Considering McWilliams is the guy on the SD that makes me wonder who is riding the BMW? The ease with which the S1000RR goes by the SD on the straights is humbling. I guess that's what 170+ RWHP and a fairing gives you.

Post 586 by Viking,

#586
I get the feeling that that this is just two KTM guys having a bit of fun on a test ride. The BMW rider isn't pushing at all hard as if he's not used
to the bike. He's certainly not using all that traction control he's got! Once out of the corner he opens up a little but he's not really on
the gas as he comes out. On the other hand the KTM brakes later, goes in harder and most times comes out harder. Interestingly, a couple
of times the KTM looks a little wobbly going in. I thought the same of McWilliams at Goodwood. Surprisingly, the KTM can sometimes get
away from the BMW in a corner and if it does the BMW takes a fair while to crank up and catch it thus it is only on the big straights like
the main straight that the BMW has the time to crank up and the legs to send the KTM on it's way. Overall, I thought the KTM did remarkably
well for a naked.

If one were a suspicious type one might suspect that this is just a carefully orchestrated part of the marketing lead-up. eg Let's make it look
good against a BMW1000RR.

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Post 588 by jmann,

#588
McWilliams confirmed it wasn't him on his twitter.

I think it's a bit crazy to try and compare an S1000rr with any naked. The guy riding the BMW was a wet blanket and obviously the KTM rider was trying a bit. They're not even comparable bikes.

The only thing you can take out the video is what you can see of the KTM. Take it for what it is.

It looks better than the goodwood video where the bike looked a bit of a mess on setup. Again, I spotted a quote from McWilliams a few days ago saying they had to do a bit of work to get it to handle for the hillclimb vid.

I'm sure it will be a really fun road or trackday bike. But no matter what it's never going to compare with a full on sportsbike on track.

I cant see any UK Battle series coming about as Ducati has extended the 848 Challenge for another 2 years and Triumph is continuing with the T3 Challenge which will keep running as BSBs entry level class. I think the package is 18 grand for the bike, 3tyres per round, and all your seasons entries, and you keep the bike after.

With the power and spec of the new bike it will be loads of fun I'm sure. And really, that's what naked bikes are about.

Post 589 by BassAgent,

#589
why are you guys so worried about how well it does against a superbike, its still going to be hellaciousy fast!
take it for what it is. me? i just cant wait.

Post 590 by smackman,

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Post 591 by Stratkat,

#591
All I know is the forums is starting a fundraiser to buy me one. Thanks guys, ilu all ;3

Post 592 by Ducati Pete,

#592
Thing is you want to smoke thoose sportbikes at trackdays !! who ever say otherwise is not true to himself .

In this Vid for me it looks likes the beemer dude is as fast and he aint even trying to be fast .... little disapponting a must say , shure the bmw is the fastest sportbike on this planet but he aint revving .. hmm

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Post 595 by Stratkat,

#595
The new bike should at least have enough grunt to keep the big boys in site down the straights. This is good news.

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Post 599 by Colonel_Klinck,

#599
Interesting article ion this month's BIKE magazine with some insight from Jeremy McWilliams.

I like that everyone is referring to the bike as "The Beast" too.

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Post 601 by jmann,

#601
Oh cool, the bellypan seems to be split in two halves so we can replace a worn half at a time ...

Post 602 by Davo-Singapore,

#602
[quote="Colonel_Klinck"]Found these

Pity about the paint work. Surely there must be a coating or finish that can be applied to stop the fluro from fading...

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Post 605 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 606 by Ducati Pete,

#606
Obviously it's "fuck-all" is producing more power than our superdukes, but yes, the design is one that revs higher than previous ducati motors.

Post 607 by Grendel,

#607
Shouldn't you be discussing this topic here:

Post 608 by DribbleDuke,

#608
It happened. Until this "Found these
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post from

The Klinkenheizer Iwas not the least bit amused with all this El Grande, Supersize me. Duke-ology. That was then and this is now. I could change my vote to the last category.The new bike has now wedged a bit of intrigue into the motorcycling equation. Perhaps like Led Zeppelin " Ten Years Gone" will have me singing a new song. It will take new leaps and bounds in street tyre traction ability to deal with these torque monsters at anything approaching real lean angles. It may be perhaps that the Best bikes are already available, i.e. The SuperDuke as they have the ability to act with better manners than the point and shoot crowds that are now about. That FZ 9 may beat a new 1290 on a tight track, but the new 1290 sure is a gnarly mule.

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Post 610 by Lowrance,

#610
Not to start a shit storm here but does anyone see a trend?

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Post 612 by Linga,

#612
If no one sees it I will just keep my fingers away from the keyboard so as not to offend some of the, hmm hmm, less intelligent/sensitive types amongst us.

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Post 614 by AGRO!,

#614
oh im sure Lowrance was directing that at me though i dont know why, but im sure he will elaborate.
Lowrence you have the floor...

Post 615 by ktmguy,

#615
I love this forum

Post 616 by BassAgent,

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Post 617 by Linga,

#617
You're all a bunch of nancys!

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Post 619 by ktmguy,

#619
I parked my bike for now haha

Decided to take a break because all the heat from the cops lately.

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Post 622 by ktmguy,

#622
Im cracking up laughing Oh the love
I would not use WD on any electrical stuff.
Have you ever seen what it does to circuit boards?
I know your not using it on a board but I remember a fella I used to know
Cleaned his circuit board on his $300 radio control unit and wondered why it didnt work anymore.

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Post 630 by fatbob,

#630
when is this fooking bike coming!!!!!!!!!!!!! think i should have bought the adventure R instead , I could have been riding it

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Post 633 by Lowrance,

#633
Don't think it's there marketing stratagy as much as it's their lack of manufacturing sufficient quantities. But from their viewpoint, better to make to few and fuel demand instead of too many and have to discout the price to move product.

In this case though I would assume they are letting the customers do the final developement work for them (as with every other KTM product in recent memory).

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Post 636 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 637 by jmann,

#637
So. Something big is going to happen in 12 years

I know. I know. I know. Just my joke.

Post 638 by jmann,

#638
It even looks like the Real McCoy:

Registrant:
KTM Sportmotorcycle AG (KTMSPORT05895)
Stallhofnerstrasse 3

Mattighofen, , 5230
AT

Domain name: 1290superduker.com

Technical contact:
Admin, DNS (DA101770)
T-Systems Austria GesmbH
Rennweg 97-99

Wien, Wien, 1030
AT
[email protected]
+43.570574390 Fax: +43.57057954390

Administrative contact:
Roland, Volker (VR1145036)
KTM Sportmotorcycle AG
Stallhofnerstrasse 3

Mattighofen, 5230
AT
[email protected]
+43.77426000193 Fax: +43.774260005193

Record created: 2013-09-02 10:18:04
Record last updated: 2013-09-02 10:18:13
Record expires: 2014-09-02 10:18:07

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NS2.T-SYSTEMS.AT (NSTSYSTE972)

Registrar Name: Ascio Technologies, Inc
Registrar WHOIS: whois.ascio.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.ascio.com

Registrar: ASCIO TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
Whois Server: whois.ascio.com
Creation Date: 02-SEP-2013
Updated Date: 02-SEP-2013
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Registry Status: ok

Post 639 by Colonel_Klinck,

#639
sweet

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Post 641 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 642 by jmann,

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Umm... My screen/timer tells me that something big will be revealed to me at midnight on 1st October. Now assuming that
you guys in the UK are being told the same thing (eg it is using location) then we in Oz will know about 8.5hrs before you. Am I correct in my assumption
regarding the arithmetic on that web page? If I am do not despair - somebody will post the details in real time.

Me? Well I might ignore the hype and be asleep - I've had the money burning a hole for a year or two so a few hours extra won't matter.

Post 644 by The Gin Reaper,

#644
Hmmm.... short and sweet!

.... thank you Superdan

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Post 647 by Jim H,

#647
Innovative BS PR stunt - whatever the intention. I'm making it my mission that 2014 will be a painful year for KTM (including but not limited to) KTM's upper management. You guys get sucked in like a Dyson on steroids. Wake up - reverse psychology at play. KTM don't have the confidence to push such a poorly developed product on the public without their input (just look at the videos + inherent instability & poor apex speed of 1290) to realise that they don't have a clue just so that they can justify an obscene price tag for nothing more than a contemporary Gixxer 7/11. The realists will know what I'm getting at. This is no revolution, it's merely a repeat of mistakes past.

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Post 655 by Stratkat,

#655
afraid thats pretty much it, has mirrors, directionals plate hanger, full paint.
i love the thing but that plate hanger will have to go!

Post 656 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 657 by Aphex,

#657
Really weird how it has a blinker bar between the headlight and the gauge cluster o_O

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Post 660 by DribbleDuke,

#660
License plate hanger is a piece of piss to sort...the real issue lies with that rediculous headlight and guage cluster assembly. That will not be an easy (or cheap) fix.

And all the usual stuff I ramble on about, boat anchor for swingarm, no rising rate linkage, low seat height, etc, etc, etc. Just like I stated back when the first images from the Canary Islands came out...the only thing that impresses me from the photos are the motor and the front brakes. That's it.

Post 661 by ktmguy,

#661
I remember when the prototype SD was featured on Motorcyclist Magazine back in ott4. I knew that it would be a few years till the US got the bike. I waited in quiet desperation for it to float across the Atlantic. It made it to the Canadian border and got stuck in a frozen great lakes region. There was rumour that you could buy one from a small import shope in Seatle Washington but if it was registered in the US all warranties would be null and void. Like a kid waiting for Christmas to come, I thought that the day to snick one of these beauties into first gear was never going to happen. I have not been able to wrap my excitement around this new launch. These pictures that were last posted Is a slap in the face to the Kiskaesque qualities that made me fall head over oil site tube many moons ago.
If he fell off a wagon on into one or off his medication or onto another prescription, Please call a doctor.
There marketing worked better when the product looked better.

Post 662 by AGRO!,

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Post 663 by Colonel_Klinck,

#663
The only bit I like on that bike is the licence plate hanger.

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Post 665 by fatbob,

#665
Wtf!!! I'm away for a Little while and ktm produces something this ugly? After giving something so beautiful with the proto bike.

I'm truly dissapointed... im sure it would be great to ride but really. .. This almost looks as bad as the new tuono.

All that being said with a bit of work it could look great... but that shouldn't be necessary for a new bike.

Post 666 by MrZ32,

#666
surely its missing a mask

Post 667 by Colonel_Klinck,

#667
I think it is the mirrors and instrument cluster. .. if they weren't there it would all be good.

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Post 669 by ozarkhomie,

#669
Hey james

Post 670 by Colonel_Klinck,

#670
Lose the elephant ear mirrors, install a tidy-tail and install some type of small fairing to cover the gap between the headlight and clocks....

Post 671 by Stratkat,

#671
Just spoke to my dealer and they are expecting bikes beginning of Nov.

Post 672 by 41KS,

#672
wonder who will be the first on here to own one?

Post 673 by Lowrance,

#673
Pretty sure I'm out....

Post 674 by Exitman,

#674
I'll put a few quid on Jim H being first to have one.

Post 675 by cdlabate,

#675
Not I. I love my 2008 SDR and excited by the prospect of constant transformation.

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Post 677 by MADDOG53,

#677
Another ditto here..
I'm quite content with my S.D.
Still doing my own personalizing and mods
and having plenty of fun doing it and riding it..

Post 678 by ktmguy,

#678
The 990 SD was and is still ahead of it's time IMO ,,and is more than enough for the street,,,,,,,,,,,,it's a "keeper",,,and I'm telling you all that the KTM hard parts for the SD 990 are slowley drying up,,,and all the "factory" stuff will be worth it's weight in gold a few years down the road,,,,,,,

Post 679 by soarsore,

#679
I sure hope that spy photo of the new SD is not the final version. I already sold my SDR for the new one and now I might just have to buy an Aprilia Tuono V4 R APRC ABS instead. That thing is ugly!

Post 680 by Lowrance,

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Post 681 by soarsore,

#681
So is the spy shot an R with a rear seat or a standard with an orange frame?

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Post 683 by Colonel_Klinck,

#683
Sorry Low, just a question that I don't know the answer too.

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Post 685 by shadowman,

#685
I've booked a test ride. I just have to see what that 1290 motor feels like.

Post 686 by Spy84,

#686
got a adventure R on test for tomorrow
bit deflated by those pics if im honest , gonna try one of those , putting my S1000 up for sale along with my GS

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Post 688 by fatbob,

#688
Like someone said lets look at the glass half full.What I have noticed is all the ugly things on this bike are off in minutes,blinkers one piece with the clocks and the tail hangerand can change the hole package looks wise.Photos don't always do justice so lets wait to see it up close.Im pretty shure as a reward the ride will be awesome!

Post 689 by ozarkhomie,

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Post 690 by Colonel_Klinck,

#690
it would be instead of shadowman unfortunately , To be fair my enjoyment comes from the trips out with mates more than on track nowadays , cant afford to fall off my bike anymore either due to medical reasons so i need to minimize the risk.
The GS is a bit marmite I suppose , had it 5 weeks , its great fun but so bloody slow I can't get past it......having to plan overtakes was probably the last straw

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Post 695 by AGRO!,

#695
What rubber are you using?[/quote]

CK...got 1247 miles out of a NEW Bridgestone S20. Running Nitrogen at 34psi, GREAT grip...just into the bars a little early it seems.
I understand some of you young blokes getting to the threads early on, but i'm 63 years old!! Have a new set of Q3s to try now.

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Post 696 by fatbob,

#696
Ended up getting a standard adventure (orange of course) with a akra fitted
Huge bike but what I need and a good laugh as well from the few miles I did , pulls like a tractor
Will see if I can stretch to an SD in the summer
Looking forward to next week and being on something orange again

Post 697 by stalker,

#697
i am still in , but whats the price tag .

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Post 701 by Colonel_Klinck,

#701
Hatched a plan in Spain tonight to get a bike on Projex dyno as soon as we can get a demo bike long enough. Race is on for real BHP figures for a 1290.

Post 702 by fatbob,

#702
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Post 703 by tripoddave,

#703
one thing i did forget about KTM ownership is the power parts catalogue
just over 13k for a bike and i gotta pay £170 for heated grips
Gotta love them austrians
Hope you guys have big pockets

Post 704 by Superdan,

#704
Well i like it and will sure buy one, not the first year but who knows for 2015? The SD has far more to give so it stays yet for a while..

But one thing that directly struck me when looking at them recent pictures -> it will be a biatch to clean that instrumentcluster from insects

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Post 706 by Stratkat,

#706
Why dont you just take it for a ride out Dave? Seat of the pants dyno and have some fun instead of seeing BHP figures and all that, the mags will dyno it anyway no doubt.

Post 707 by rocketchick,

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Post 708 by Linga,

#708
just an update for those of us in the USA...
i called the nearest dealer (man this is loyalty they are like 200+ miles from me in VA) and they have no delivery dates yet. he said maybe next summer but as of today he has no confirmation that they are even coming here.
he said if and when they become available, they will be on a very limited basis, which is typical of KTM here, at least from my experience!
he does think they will at some point but is being very vague, could not pin him down. i gave him my contact info and told him to call me as soon as he knows anything, so if i hear from him ill update y'all.

Post 710 by AGRO!,

#710
Did anyone notice the track seemed to be in Australia...?

Post 711 by Davo-Singapore,

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Post 712 by ktmguy,

#712
Jim we at super duke net would like to nominate you for the wooden spoon award

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Post 725 by Linga,

#725
It's a 690

Post 726 by Supaduke,

#726
I'm not sure what track it is, but I'll bet my middle nut that those are gum trees... If I get time I'll try and look at lefty tracks.
Definitely not Victoria.
I know of an Aussie stunt rider who has been handed the reins of the KTM's and I've heard whispers...

Post 728 by tripoddave,

#728
Fit a pair of bar end mirrors, get some smaller clocks and mount them lower and closer to the tank, fit a tail tidy and get an aftermarket exhaust more like the prototype and that will look evil.

Post 729 by Lowrance,

#729
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Post 730 by cdlabate,

#730
Maybe the clocks double up as a gps? Cell phone, Ps4, xbox1?
Just saying

Post 731 by Colonel_Klinck,

#731
Jeez! I couldn't care less about the clocks or a stupid chin spoiler.
These things are just minor details.
I didn't even care one way or another about the original SD's looks.
What's important is the way it rides.
They have stuck a 1300cc V-twin in an updated SD chassis and it's rumoured to make 180bhp ffs and it's bound to be torquey. Totally barking hatstand.
plus, it's pretty much what we asked for: certainly it's exactly what I wanted.
Chances are I'm going to test ride this bike and immediately put my money down and order the full Akra system all in one go.

Post 732 by Colonel_Klinck,

#732
I'll buy a low mileage 2nd hand one in a couple of years for half the price when plenty of after market parts are out. I'm more than happy with mine for now.

Post 733 by fatbob,

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Post 734 by Aphex,

#734
Definetly not overly enthused about the 1290 as I was the 990. Maybe I just need to sit on it, maybe even take it for a test ride...

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Post 738 by cdlabate,

#738
Fat bob;

Please provide a full detailed report of the adventure. Thank you.

Post 739 by AGRO!,

#739
The muffler doubles up as a garbage bin

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Post 742 by ktmguy,

#742
Well, this is the reason I've joined the forum.
On paper it looks to be exactly what I'm after. A V-Twin that offers a significant upgrade from my ageing '97 Suzuki TL1000S in every way I care about.
A focus on light weight, tractable low end grunt and real world ergonomics, yet without sacrificing outright performance or settling for a budget minded, parts bin special. Not to mention incorporating the latest safety gizmos.
Form follows function for me, but the aesthetics aren't too shabby either. It certainly has character, both mechanically and from the staunch, angular stance.
I'd prefer a murdered out version (all black), it looks a bit like they've used the clocks as a substitute for a windscreen and whoever designed the exhaust probably gets some sort of kickback from Akrapovic for guaranteed sales.
All minor quibbles though, so I'm just waiting on tomorrows launch, some ride reports and a locally available test ride.

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Post 746 by Stratkat,

#746
who thinks its might have the new bosch stability control system on it? i'm thinking it might but i really hope you can switch all the fun police things off!

11 minutes to go on my clock..

Post 747 by SuperHoon,

#747
14 hrs here... AUUUURRRGGGGGGGGG!

Post 748 by SuperHoon,

#748
1,301cc
180hp at 8,870rpm
144nm torque, 100nm from 2500rpm!
189kg without fuel
18l fuel tank
0 to 200km/h in 7.2 seconds

WANT WANT WANT

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Post 750 by Stratkat,

#750
im selling shit just to buy that

Post 751 by jmann,

#751
I had a feeling that instrument cluster was final!

Post 752 by Ruprecht,

#752
With Traction Control ...

Post 753 by Blackduke77,

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Post 754 by Stratkat,

#754
I'll have one in black please. Front end is ugly as f*ck but you know it will be a blast to ride. Ktm take my money now!

Post 755 by Lowrance,

#755
Anybody in the market for a 2008? I need to free up some cash.

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Post 757 by SuperHoon,

#757
Looks like fork compression and rebound adjusters are on top of the forks...comp on one and reb on the other.

Looks a little better in that 360 degree view then previous sneak peaks.

Thanks for posting up this link Hoon!

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Post 761 by Stratkat,

#761
Aarron, start working on a new Motobox please...

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Post 768 by 41KS,

#768
Haa

From zero to 200 km/h (124 mph) in 7.2 seconds (NB! SD 990 1/4 mile best times were around 124 mph & 11.3s)
132 kW (180 HP) at 8.870 rounds/min, 144 Nm maximum torque with 100 Nm as early as 2500 rpm
189kg without fuel

Price

Post 770 by gringo,

#770
nice and all but its so different from the concept. I remember when I first saw the old Superduke on the road, I thought I was going mad. The wow factor was just immense then the ride was even better. Who wants to take home an average looking girl before he discovers she is great in bed, I'd rather take home the hottie that's also great in bed so I wont mind going grabbing breakfast with her the next morning. KTM you had us all at wow with the concept, why stray soo far from it? i can wait much longer before I get rid of my current SDR. You are not getting my money now, I'll wait and grab a used one then mod it. That cluster what the fook, you actually released the bike like that? What ever happened to the thread, "tell KTM what you want." Sometimes I wonder what the point is

Post 771 by Colonel_Klinck,

#771
I feel the opposite. I'm actually surprised by how faithful it stayed to the concept. Compared to other concept bikes that became production models, such as Suzuki's B-King or Honda and the VFR1200.
The headlight is closer to the concept version than I expected, I knew it couldn't keep those forks and that they'd have to add indicators and mirrors.
I'd actually prefer that the exhaust we saw on the concept bike was an aftermarket Akrapovic option and not the inevitably strangled standard pipes.
The instrument cluster does look a little aesthetically challenged, but the more images I see the better it looks.
Most of all though, they haven't compromised on the engine and that's the essential heart of the beast.

Post 772 by MrZ32,

#772
i like it lots and it must be a good ride looking at the way it is, i am already finding out the price and the dealer expects delivery of an orange one in november.

just have to shift my big ass VFR and treat the wife, two years with the sd990 two yerars with the rc8 then bought the smr for something different but get fed up of the tank range, great bike tho, then after 8 months had a stupid mid life moment and swapped her for a vfr 1200f good bike but not my thing or many others it seems as had it for sale for few months in spain and not many takers...........

Post 773 by No. 47,

#773
Doesn't look as bad as the leaked pics. Still not happy with clocks though. I do wonder what the 12 specials are about? What are we going to see there?

Post 774 by SuperHoon,

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Post 775 by Blackduke77,

#775
Just needs what most of us have done to current SDR.

Post 776 by Colonel_Klinck,

#776
i wonder if we'll be able to hook tune ecu up to it and just play around, disable the secondary butterflies and swap the airbox out and get that extra few hp that it obviously needs..

no mention of a factory quickshifter though

edit - its funny, so many people i've seen think the bike is heavy because of the 189kg. but thats full of fluids minus fuel. apparently the tuono is 205kg with all fluids minus fuel.

15kg is substantially lighter. im not sure what they were expecting. the weight of a street triple?

Post 777 by jambox,

#777
Well after finally getting on to the ktm site, it nice to see that all the nanny controls are switchable. To be able to deactivate both abs and traction control is awesome. It says it fits all riders. Does this mean they brought the adjust-ability of the RC8 onto the Superduke? If so thats great. Cant wait to see this ugly freaky step child in person.

Post 778 by SDNerd,

#778
Well doesn't look like the new Z1000 is going to be troubling KTM.. again. 2014 shoot out between Aprilia, BMW, Ducati and Triumph if they update their bikes.

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Post 779 by Aphex,

#779
The pics with the rider on board make the clocks not as standout-ish imo, so I think it'll be an alright in the "flesh" kind of bike.

Post 780 by Ruprecht,

#780
It's funny how similar the Z1000 "Call of The Wild" promotion is to KTM's release of the SD1290.

Remind you of anything?

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If that pic Klinck posted above has it right, it looks like the instrument cluster design was nabbed straight from the MV Agusta Brutale.
Which isn't a bad thing... nice looking bikes.

All beside the point for me though, because it's all about the engine.
I don't think there's any manufacturer other than KTM doing a high-tech V-Twin, with low end grunt and open class horsepower.

Post 781 by CEREC1,

#781
So is there a non R version? Not sure that's at all clear now

Post 782 by Ducati Pete,

#782
My GOD those torque figures!

Just as well it has TC - that's gonna be a handfull on the side of the tyre.

Post 783 by Millar,

#783
I would hazard a guess no, there's only RC8r's now no standard version.

I reckon with bit of inventive model making a small fairing could be built to integrate the clocks. Who's gonna bring one to my workshop for me to play with...I mean measure up!

Post 784 by stalker,

#784
im in

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Post 786 by prikkie,

#786
Beware. Porn pictures


Post 787 by Lowrance,

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Post 788 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 790 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 791 by Blackduke77,

#791
How much do you think that akro system is going to be? Doesn't look like it gets rid of a whole bunch of mass down there but we'll see. I think the black look way better than the orange one, but that's just personal preference.

Post 792 by SDNerd,

#792
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Post 793 by AGRO!,

#793
Im just buying the head light Its cheaper than getting a new bike

Post 794 by wacky_woodchuck,

#794
I'll take the black one with the white tail plastic, please.

My '08 seems..inadequate now.

Post 795 by Stratkat,

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Post 797 by Ruprecht,

#797
Is the pic of the black one a photoshop? I can't find it anywhere else.
Regardless, they should definitely release one in a similar colour scheme for those of us that aren't big on gaudy graphics or colours.

Post 798 by Lowrance,

#798
Anyone notice that all of those photos are Photoshoped?

DAMN you Prikkie.....

Good one.

Post 799 by Stratkat,

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Post 800 by Lowrance,

#800
This may have already been pointed out but that 7.2 second 0-200KPH time they have thrown out there is faster than both the Hayabusa and S1000RR.....at least according to Google search.

Post 801 by Lowrance,

#801
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Post 802 by MrZ32,

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Post 803 by CEREC1,

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Post 804 by ktmguy,

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Post 805 by shadowman,

#805
Well after a couple of days, this is what has occured to me.

I think it's remarkably close to the concept bike. All the ugly dangly bits will be easy to remove / replace and the basic shape is good.

The clocks do look a bit like an after thought but really who cares? It's the best looking of the super naked bikes I have seen.

Black suits it.

Lighter and allegedly more powerful than a 2homo - encouraging.

The motor - this is obviously the star of the show. How much over claiming do KTM go in for? It will be interesting to see what the real output figures are once it gets into the real world.

I may well get one in a couple of years time once the bugs are fixed, somebody else has put an absurdly expensive exhaust on it and done the tail tidy etc.

Will there be a flood of used SD / SDR's hitting the market over the next few months as people swap the old for the new and what will that do for second hand values?

Looks like a little fun bundle to me. Can't wait to jump on one and have a blast

Post 806 by 41KS,

#806
Seen some of the comments here in doubt or a bit negative against the new model, hmmm...

1301cc high perfomance V-twin, packed with pretty much the best motorcycle industry components in light & agile streetfighter frame. It perform in par with S1000RR or Hayabusa, corner handling and handling overall until speeds of 200kph will be superb and better than these two (they built 990SD, remember how it handles?) - V-twin sound is right. All these new electronics to play with, on less than ideal road surfaces or driver skills... And possibility switch them off for maximum fear & adrenaline rush

Its a dream bike for me as it has plenty of LOW RPM power and torque Thats what big V-twins are about. And at the same time it screams and goes over the limit of most tyres, driver abilities and street and traffic conditions. Of course it is not the bike for average drivers or personalities Actually it seems to be one of the best bikes ever built in motorcycle history

PS. I was tempted to buy MV Agusta Brutale 989R as a second bike besides SD for few days. Then again it may well be one bike in garage. I am not rushing to buy 1290 new one but keep my eye on it and sure it is on top of my wish list.

Post 807 by Colonel_Klinck,

#807
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Post 808 by Stratkat,

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Post 810 by smackman,

#810
I actually like this new Sd beast Any info on Price for this monster ?

Post 811 by shadowman,

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Post 812 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 813 by smackman,

#813
Wtf same as 1199 Adventure then ... hmm thats seems almost to cheap to me

Post 814 by shadowman,

#814
Multistrada curently holds the Pikes Peak record.

Wonder if this would be the tool to take it for KTM.

If you havent seen it yet...



Worth a watch

Post 815 by fatbob,

#815
Well I think that looks proper nice , even in black , paint the wheels and you're not far from the concept , anyone expecting gas shocks like on the proto was dreaming really I think

I also doubt that it's quicker than an RR regardless of the stats , I gotta say my mind is scheming how to get the funds......
I reckon for the bike you going to be looking at 15k with an akra system on it
And that's with no fooking extras at all !

Post 816 by No. 47,

#816
I'm guessing more like £17-18k with Akras and alarm only - my 996S with black paint and alarm cost £13.5-15k from memory back in 2001, though, so maybe not such a bad deal?

Post 817 by Ducati Pete,

#817
With that new engine you won't need to add a zorst.

Just get a new map to get rid of the emissions flatspot.

Post 818 by No. 47,

#818
Won't be able to live with the OE exhaust.

Post 819 by CEREC1,

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Post 820 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 821 by Millar,

#821
Special #2 unfortunately not a bike option but a new vid....does make me want one though! The front doesn't even look that bad in action....

Post 822 by Stratkat,

#822



dudes im telling you, this is the full Akro system right here, look at it, springs and everything,
look at the welds, then compare it to the stock system...

Post 823 by Stratkat,

#823
I think that is the street legal Akra kit. New california emissions compliant version. I bet they will have a track only GP style kit as well, which will remove the boat anchor catalytic converter that is nicely concealed at the bottom; plus, include upgraded headers that allow the hookup of two pipes instead of just one like in the prototype.

Post 824 by No. 47,

#824
Cans are down right fooking ugly. I hope FMF make a sweet diamond cut side mount for this.

Post 825 by Superdan,

#825
OK its growing on me.

Post 826 by Colonel_Klinck,

#826
I'm sure I read somewhere that the Prototype Akra system made well over 120db. I just can't see them making that an option. Would like to see a nice belly pan for it though.

Post 827 by CEREC1,

#827
I guess no belly pan as std means the battery is in a sensible place on the 1290

Post 828 by SuperHoon,

#828
i'm sold on the look now, just ditch the mirrors and numberplate and i'd be happy!

Post 829 by scamb66,

#829
Be ordering one of those fast black ones. I like it.

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Post 831 by jmann,

#831
Yah know if I was a marketing man I'd insist that the company sell this bike in various guises. Indeed, via Powerparts I'd make it available with a street legal Akro system as well as a full blown Akro race system. But I wouldn't stop there I'd make it available with bodywork and other parts to replace the RC8 as a non-naked OR with parts to race in a battle category. I wonder how adjustable this bike really is.

In my marketing strategy i'd release each of the guises, one month apart, just as teasers until the bike and the options are FINALLY READY FOR PRODUCTION!!!

One never knows, Kiska could be furiously working right now to design a screen, to protect that speedo Etc.

Stay tuned if you can bear the suspense for Special #1, ... Special #10 snore... snore... snore...

Post 832 by fatbob,

#832
hey you fookers , dont be dissing my big ass Akra can , its almost 6 kilos lighter than stock
I'd like to see you shit that sorta weight off ya bike
Having a look again today cos the bikes just so nice looking

Post 833 by DribbleDuke,

#833
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Post 834 by scamb66,

#834
Hey officer, I was riding on feel.

Post 835 by SuperHoon,

#835
Anyone know what size rear tyre is on the 1290? It looks like at least a 200.

Post 836 by 41KS,

#836
First time poster.. I'm in love with the 1290, I think it's a work of art. Just to show you how similar the concept is to the production model have a look at this GIF I made:

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All I did was remove the mirrors from the production image and changed the angle to match the concept.

Here's the bike with fender removed, mirrors removed and that's it:

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Horniest thing second to your mumma.. Anybody complaining that the production model is too far removed from the concept can now kindly STFU

Post 837 by stalker,

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Post 838 by Ducati Pete,

#838
Here's a slower one:

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Post 839 by bic_bicknell,

#839
thanks for those ones, looks so much nicer without a fender and mirrors!

Post 840 by Ducati Pete,

#840
So which one of you lot are going to write one of these off and provide me with my next track bike? Cmon brits

Post 841 by Colonel_Klinck,

#841
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Post 842 by blb,

#842
This is the most wicked bike ever seen on earth

But i need to ride the 990 one more year, got it all tweaked up with motohooligan etc, and to few miles, need to put some more on it before it goes.
I intend to pick up a hardly used and full-kitted 1290 with race-Akras, motohooligan-box, ecutuning and tailtidy, that day will be a goood day

Post 843 by Ducati Pete,

#843
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Post 844 by CEREC1,

#844
Front wheel fender is still too big and also its on an angle so it looks good. The rear-end should have been higher up Like the RC8 to level up with the top point of the tank. We need a single seater

Post 845 by shadowman,

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Post 846 by blb,

#846
How about a new poll to see what people think now that they can see the real thing?

Might be interesting to see how the results compare to what people said after first seeing the prototype.

Perhaps worth waiting for the price to be published....

Post 847 by wizzzard,

#847
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Post 850 by Willchill,

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Post 851 by Ruprecht,

#851
I think the bike needs a belly pan. I may be in the minority on that though.

Post 852 by CEREC1,

#852
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Post 853 by Ducati Pete,

#853
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Post 854 by fuel,

#854
WTF is "The Bosch MSC"

I have no requirement for a hammer action drill, a multi speed food processor, or a washing machine with eco cycles.

Post 855 by Ducati Pete,

#855
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Post 856 by Ducati Pete,

#856
We used to call that "rider skill."

Post 857 by Ruprecht,

#857
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Post 858 by Colonel_Klinck,

#858
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Post 859 by Lowrance,

#859
I can see the Bosch stuff being good in the wet but leave me in charge in the dry thanks.

Post 860 by Ducati Pete,

#860
That MSC shite may take the Adventure off my short list.

Post 861 by Ducati Pete,

#861
I'm not 100% rider aids, although a part of me does feel like it's cheating.

That said, if the torque figures are true, a bit of TC will be most welcome.

Post 862 by Colonel_Klinck,

#862
I'm not 100% rider aids, although a part of me does feel like it's cheating.

That said, if the torque figures are true, a bit of TC will be most welcome.

Post 863 by No. 47,

#863
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Post 864 by 41KS,

#864
Been told that for the UK, it's only twenty five bikes, one bike per dealer, 'til February '14 at the earliest.

Post 865 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 866 by Lowrance,

#866
May main concern is widespread use of TC on track makes it even harder to turn up with a less powerful bike and stay ahead of the big capacity superbikes.

It's easier to get a fast exit from a corner on a less powerfull bike.
With TC that advantage is gone.

Post 867 by MADDOG53,

#867
I don't mind a little traction control that can be turned off...ABS as well. But when you start talking about a computer that takes control out of my hands, that gets a little sketchy. Might be fine for the average rider that does not push their bikes to the extreem (will probably save a few as well). When you push your bike and expect it to do the same exact thing over and over again, the one time it doesn't could get ugly.

You saw what happened to Danny at Aragon. Lose a sensor (knocked off, dirty, malfunction...whatever) end up on your head.

Post 868 by smackman,

#868
Traction Control is a good thing on a bike like this ....without it its to dangerus for the most riders who actually is average on this bike .

Think like this with theese rider aids you can costumize the bike for your skill and uppgrade after progress , now is not that a nice feature or what !

Only thing missing is quickshifter ...

Post 869 by Superdan,

#869
Maddog you should know better................

Post 870 by Ruprecht,

#870
Interesting than MCN says it has the Bosch MSC system. Wonder if that's confirmed or just an assumption?

Post 871 by Lowrance,

#871
We're not talking about just traction control or ABS....MSC is a whole new ballgame. It uses software from some software weenie to control the bike when it determines you are out of control. Who knows what that means?

I'm a system engineer, we integrate software and hardware everyday and I've seen how tempermental these systems can be. When they get hosed we cycle the on/off switch. Not an option on a bike.

If it allows you to customize the settings and retain them if the ignition switch is cycled no worries. If it resets itself each time bike is fired up it will quickly become a total pain in the ass.

Post 872 by Ruprecht,

#872
To be honest, I'd actually assumed the existing integrated versions of abs and traction control (and semi-active suspension) already measured pitch, lean angle etc, and would prevent low siding under emergency braking conditions (ie grabbing a handful and trying to manoeuvre, especially in the wet),

Post 873 by AGRO!,

#873
What! Still no cure for aids

Post 874 by soarsore,

#874
I am sure the sd will be a genuine 180 hp at the crank compare this to another naked bike released in the last couple of years which claims 160 but after meeting on track would be lucky to pump out 140hp.

Post 875 by Ruprecht,

#875
Does anyone know how fast a current well sorted SD or SD-R gets to 200/124?

Post 876 by 41KS,

#876
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Post 877 by Ducati Pete,

#877
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Post 878 by ktmguy,

#878
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Post 879 by Colonel_Klinck,

#879
looking at those pics, not so keen on it, though the power would be good. need to lose can and tail, but still some things now gone wrong with the looks

Post 880 by MADDOG53,

#880
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Post 881 by SDNerd,

#881
I think with a decent can, bar end mirrors, bellypan, anodised reservoirs and tail tidy it it will look nearly as good as the prototype. If anyone fancies doing all that and putting about 5K miles on it I'll buy it in a couple of years for half the price

Post 882 by Bert,

#882
If anyone fancies doing all that and putting about 5K miles on it I'll buy it in a couple of years for half the price [/quote]

That makes two of us then. LOL

Post 883 by Colonel_Klinck,

#883
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Post 885 by Lowrance,

#885
How bout a little help from our Aussie and Kiwi bretheren....

What does Special #3 have to tell us???

Post 886 by Ruprecht,

#886
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Post 887 by SuperHoon,

#887
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Post 888 by No. 47,

#888
Count down is GMT or local time, GMT+1.

Post 889 by Colonel_Klinck,

#889
Seems it's been moved to 11am GMT. Someone must have fooked up as whatever it is it clearly wasn't ready for midnight.

Post 890 by Ruprecht,

#890
It's there now. Another 360, Action/Studio Pics and Wallpaper. This time with the Black/Orange paint scheme.
Although the wallpaper links are broken at the moment (I seem to remember that happened with Special No.1 as well).

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Post 891 by stalker,

#891
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Post 893 by stalker,

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Post 895 by No. 47,

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Post 896 by Ruprecht,

#896
Pity KTM is so stuck on orange.

Post 897 by jjlester_74,

#897
Don't like black MISSILE

Post 898 by Lowrance,

#898
Why have KTM not put a toe guard on that overweight boat anchor of a swingingarm? For shame!

Doesn't even look as if there will be an easy way to do it.

Post 899 by Aphex,

#899
I wonder who will be the first rich guy to bin one of these goin round the Snake in Malibu. I'm sure it'll be on youtube.

Post 900 by tripoddave,

#900
A black one or an orange one.
Decisions. Decisions.

Post 901 by prikkie,

#901
Did a litlle photoshop with paint. Replaced the exhaust. You like ?

Post 902 by SDNerd,

#902
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Post 903 by Colonel_Klinck,

#903
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Post 904 by bic_bicknell,

#904
Prikkie. It looks like it's been crashed and slid down the road a bit! Change the angle of the silencer a bit - it would be rubbing on the back wheel.

Post 905 by prikkie,

#905
Including Fly Screen

Post 906 by prikkie,

#906
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Post 907 by Stratkat,

#907
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Post 908 by Lowrance,

#908
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Post 909 by scamb66,

#909
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Post 910 by tripoddave,

#910
They're all R models now.

Post 911 by scamb66,

#911
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Post 912 by Ruprecht,

#912
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Post 913 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 914 by No. 47,

#914
Wonder what an 07+ headlight conversion would look like, who cares i am sure the race mask will look fine.

Post 915 by CEREC1,

#915
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Post 916 by Ruprecht,

#916
The "Regular" SDs always go faster 'round a track than the R models anyways.


I never reaslised why before, but I think the "R" riders are tired out after Wanking off over their orange frames.

Post 917 by Ducati Pete,

#917
Who said that?

Post 918 by Lowrance,

#918
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Post 920 by waltsacura,

#920
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Post 922 by waltsacura,

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Post 923 by Ruprecht,

#923
Maybe an odd question... but is the tank plastic or metal? aluminium?

Ethanol in our US fuel is warping tanks and causing issues with my current bikes, so before I place my order...

Post 924 by prikkie,

#924
KTM only do acerbis plastic tanks, doubt it will be metal.

Post 925 by Colonel_Klinck,

#925
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Post 926 by Exitman,

#926
Looks like they've added some more action pics to "Special #3" after the first lot.
I wonder how tall the rider is, because the 1290 SD sure looks small in those pics.

Post 927 by Ruprecht,

#927
SDR 1290 with 990 front

Post 928 by shadowman,

#928
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Post 929 by Ruprecht,

#929
I wonder if the new clocks / display could be made to fit into a 990 mask?

Probably more trouble than its worth but I do prefer the look with the 990 face to the new face.

Post 930 by 41KS,

#930
Special #4. I see a pattern.

Post 931 by Colonel_Klinck,

#931
MCN First Rides:

Post 932 by Superdan,

#932
They really are reeling us in aren't they! My god it's working too!

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Post 933 by CEREC1,

#933
Fooking internet in North Yorkshire is shite, want to watch these vids!

Post 934 by Superdan,

#934
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Post 935 by CEREC1,

#935
Will wait for someone to bin one

Post 936 by Exitman,

#936
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Post 937 by fatbob,

#937
Wish I could justify the expense

Post 938 by Superdan,

#938
how can you not justify it.....treat yourself

Post 939 by stalker,

#939
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Post 940 by fatbob,

#940
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Post 941 by wacky_woodchuck,

#941
how far do you reckon you will get on 18 litres then fellas....
My adventures computer says I get 350 miles on a 23 litre tank , this is more like 250 miles going off my milage for an 1190.
This makes me wonder whether a spirited ride would see 80 miles!!!!!
Everyone has a we have to keep stopping for fuel for the SD story FFS

Post 942 by prikkie,

#942
Found these floating around the web.

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In the top two I see plenty of power parts. I'm not keen on the slip-on exhaust in the last pic and even the "full" Akra has me a little baffled on it appearance.

Post 943 by Ruprecht,

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Post 944 by waltsacura,

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Post 946 by Stratkat,

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Post 947 by Stratkat,

#947
anyone notice that the top image is a single seat?

Post 948 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 949 by Exitman,

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Post 950 by CEREC1,

#950
That akro slip on looks rubbish. Surely they could have done a better job than offer up something off the shelf?

Post 951 by Colonel_Klinck,

#951
Just spoken to my dealer in Bristol. 3 bikes due in December. 2 pre-sold. One up for grabs in Orange at the mo.
Second batch expected February 2014.
Interestingly apparently a non R version is expected middle of 2014.
Can't imagine why you would want a non R version.
Also dealer has no plans to run a demo until all advanced orders have been met. Makes sense I guess.

Post 952 by Superdan,

#952
Looking forward to seeing the hardparts touring windscreen

Post 953 by stalker,

#953
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#954
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Post 955 by stalker,

#955
yeah , but my local dealer will rip the piss out of me if i just sign up with no actual figure down on paper

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#956
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Post 958 by BassAgent,

#958
I'll be giving out a lot of BJs to buy this, but buy it I shall

Post 959 by fuel,

#959
The pillion seat will be removable and they'll charge you £300 for a seat cowl

Post 961 by Willh,

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Post 963 by BassAgent,

#963
I pretty much got dibs on one already at a local dealer

EDIT: I mean i got one reserved, 1st dibs too

Post 964 by Lowrance,

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Post 965 by BassAgent,

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Post 966 by Ruprecht,

#966
Any of you Brits subscribe to MCN?

Post 967 by scamb66,

#967
Stuff the expense I'm getting one. Probably my only chance to get a new bike so sod the cost. Hope delivery to Oz is better than the 390, the wife has had one on order since February and still have to wait till the end of November.

Post 968 by ktmguy,

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Post 969 by Ducati Pete,

#969
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Post 970 by Ducati Pete,

#970
The wonderfull chaps at Hyside M/Cs are once again agents of the Orange Empire.

They will be having a 1290SD demo.

I have booked it - for July and September!

Post 971 by Lowrance,

#971
I was resisting quite well until I saw the black model. At this point resistance appeared futile so a deposit has been left with Drysdales for a black one. Should be arriving in December. SWMBO is insisting one of my KTMs has to go so either the SDR or the SD are going to be coming on the market

Post 972 by scamb66,

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Post 974 by enigma990,

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Interesting 7 page article in MCN, some future points from Stefan Pierer, will still be looking to fill in gaps between 690-1290, so may be a 890 or revamp 990 on the horizon. Looking to release an RR model of 1290 and an SDT, which makes sense with a 1300 lump. No MSC on this forth coming 1290 as wasn't enough time for programming a unit alongside the Adventure but I suspect will appear on the RR and later 1290, poss retrofit to earlier model. All in all looking good

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Post 981 by enigma990,

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That's what you get for living in a sunnier part of the world

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Post 986 by BassAgent,

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You paying for me?

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Post 990 by BassAgent,

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I've got a $500 deposit down at a NSW dealership. So far no more details have been released to me.

Post 991 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 993 by bic_bicknell,

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Post 994 by Ruprecht,

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Just read the full report in MCN. Lots of power and torque and superlatives blah, blah, blah.

Sounds good. But the best thing I read was that they have changed to design so you can read the oil level without removing a load of bodywork and can be done with the bike on it's side stand. Hurray. I might get one just because of this much needed improvement!

Post 995 by Lowrance,

#995
I was actually joking about them using the clocks instead of a windscreen, but according to that article, they really have!

Edit: Cheers for posting that by the way. AMCN isn't much chop for the latest on Euro releases.

Post 996 by Colonel_Klinck,

#996
Klinck....can you provide us a link to the story....kind of hard to read embedded.

Thanks.

Post 997 by prikkie,

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Post 998 by Stratkat,

#998
What will the RR version look like then ?????????

Post 999 by Lowrance,

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Post 1001 by enigma990,

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Post 1002 by prikkie,

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Maybe different front and rear suspension also
and Forged rims

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Post 1004 by BassAgent,

#1004
Waaait there's gonna be a superduke RR????

Post 1005 by Crotchrockety,

#1005
I haven't looked at this whole thread, but I found this elsewhere so . . ..

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Post 1007 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 1011 by prikkie,

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What about this ?

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Post 1013 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1013
Ground clearance could be an issue though guys.

Post 1014 by prikkie,

#1014
This system is from a RC8R. Enige is the same exept a bigger bore. Ground clearance between an RC8R and the 1290 SDR should be almost the same I assume so this could be possible. If Akrapovic will make an other system, I think I will go for this option and adapt it to mount it on the 1290 SDR. A second hand RC8 akra exhaust is also cheaper than a new one.

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Post 1016 by CEREC1,

#1016
Anybody know if the rear shock has a linkage or is it the same as the current SD
Suspension on the current bike is compromised due to lack of linkage. Viking found this racing and any suspension firms contacted said this hampers track performance

Post 1017 by Lowrance,

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Post 1018 by Lowrance,

#1018
Thanks for posting up the MCN article Klinck!

Good read. Looking forward to reading the official launch report.

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Post 1020 by BassAgent,

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Post 1021 by omky756,

#1021
It's definitely growing on me...
Looking a lot cleaner than the
the first prototype..
Do I need..that much bike though.???
and as I've said..I'm not done yet
trickin` up my 990..
An RR model would be insain for me..

Post 1022 by BassAgent,

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Post 1023 by AGRO!,

#1023
Should scrape well on speed humps

Post 1024 by Exitman,

#1024
thought i'd do a quick overlay of both bikes 990R v 1290R. It's a little off the mark but close enough to see how similar the two bikes are. Almost identical geometry, lower seat height, slightly stubbier tail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W34PPSbY ... e=youtu.be

Post 1025 by fatbob,

#1025
Apparently 140nm is about 104ftlb ?....
My ignorance almost caught me out there
I thought it was an astronomical number

Post 1026 by prikkie,

#1026
Make it 144Nm and with an fully Akra mounted it will be maybe 150 Nm and 185-190 Bhp !

Post 1027 by MrZ32,

#1027
I think you will find that it is the spread of torque that is truly impressive. To be fair though 144nm is a fair bit... Over 20 more than some of the most highly tuned 990's

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Post 1029 by Blackduke77,

#1029
Will we even see the RR before 2015 model year? I was never a fan of the styling of this bike when I saw the pre production photos but since it's been unveiled I'm all in on it. It's too bad none of the dealers know anything about it. This site has gotten more info than they have. Thanks to all that contribute. Best bunch of guys ever.

Post 1030 by MrZ32,

#1030
The only downside about the bike is how crap a quality the ktm dealer networks are. Their machines have always been great but they need to seriously train the people who deal with the customers. It has always been their downfall, particularly in their road bikes.

Post 1031 by ktmguy,

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Post 1032 by tripoddave,

#1032
I can't find any reference to an 'RR' version of the 1290 anywhere?

Post 1033 by BassAgent,

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Post 1034 by SuperHoon,

#1034
What's the point of the damn countdown on the website if it just tops at 0 and nothing happens! @#$

Post 1035 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1036 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1036
I wonder if they even realise their countdown timer goes by the date and time on the local pc? A bit of recycled code no doubt.
The actual specials seem to be updated manually (judging by the downtime and image linking).
Couldn't see an email for the website manager on the site. Kiska designed the site apparently, so I assumed it's handled by them and sent an email anyway (as a professional courtesy, not from frustration ).

Post 1037 by Ruprecht,

#1037
2hrs 36mins to go here.

Post 1038 by Bert,

#1038
Hah! It's a whole special of "unmentionables".

Seems to be sticking to the pattern too.

Post 1039 by stalker,

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Post 1040 by Superdan,

#1040
i am not sure what to do now , as i am third in line at the dealer for the 1290r , but the talk of an rr is making me think best wait and see . . . . .. .
i am not one that needs the newest bike its just that the 1290 looks awsome . . . . .but . . . . . .rr . .. . . . .

Post 1041 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1042 by stalker,

#1042
I wouldn't have thought they'd mention an RR version if it wasn't going to happen fairly soon.
Otherwise they'd be pointlessly hurting their 1290R sales.

Post 1043 by shadowman,

#1043
yeah . .. .

my sd goes well , but the full fat sdr goes better and i wonder if i should have got one instead. dont really want to make the same mistake again.

how much better can it be ????????

time to call the dealer i think

Post 1044 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 1045 by Superdan,

#1045
I wonder how the race triple clamp varies from the standard item?

Post 1046 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1049 by tripoddave,

#1049
Price is £14k
Exhaust can is £700

More importantly: Orange or Black?

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Post 1051 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1051
i fail to see the big deals with these specials. We know what the bike looks like so stop it with these silly count downs. A vid, high res pics fail to give me any new information. Give us the specs and let us know if there will be an RR version because if there will be one, most of us would opt for that.

Post 1052 by Sumojoe,

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Post 1053 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1053
RR was mentioned as a plan. I wouldn't hold your breath. I'd imagine at least a year to 18 months away.

Post 1054 by prikkie,

#1054
I'm going to guess there will be another exhaust from akra, since that one shown still has a cat. There's always an option to remove it

Post 1055 by fatbob,

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Post 1056 by Sumojoe,

#1056
Did they ever release a full system for the 990 Adv? Not really a big market for that. I'm sure we'll see one for the 1290 but it isn't going to be cheap

Post 1057 by Lowrance,

#1057
My option is still better looking

Post 1058 by Ruprecht,

#1058
Adv akra has the cat in the can
Weight difference is huge ,sound is great and doesn't Need remap unless baffle is took out and that was best part of £800
I paid £1600 for my last akra system for the Beemer
Reckon it won't be far off the same for the sd

You boys should be saving up

Post 1059 by soarsore,

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Post 1060 by tripoddave,

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Post 1061 by CEREC1,

#1061
I'm a bit disappointed with the exhaust option. To me the improvement in looks and wait loss isn't sufficient to justify the costs. I do like the tail tidy seen in some photos but not others. I think if weight loss is a priority then a lithium ion battery might be better value plus some CF for looks!

Post 1062 by Ruprecht,

#1062
I still have no problem with the Akra exhaust....it's street legal, will sound a little throatier and be a little lighter. With all the power this thing is reported to make there will be no need for a full race system...especially on the street.

I'm still disappointed that there is no toe guard on the swingarm....come on KTM, get off your ass and fix this glaring oversight!

FFS!

Post 1063 by Lowrance,

#1063
Any guesses on the next video or pics?
I'm thinking that these power parts were all on the light and sporty theme, so they might do one with a sports touring theme (bags, bar raisers, gps mount, heated grips, touring screen etc).

Post 1064 by Lowrance,

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Post 1065 by BassAgent,

#1065
Interesting. I am told that the cat is under the motor not in the can.
I got the prices from my dealer.

My plan is to fit the can for £700 and de-cat the stock headers. It has worked fine before.

Like the Colonel says: I wouldn't hold your breath for the RR version because typically KTM launch an uber spec version after 2 or 3 years to boost sales and anyway it looks like they are going to launch 700 and 1000cc versions.
Anyway what could an 'RR' version bring to the party?
Better suspension? Mine will be in at K-Tech for reworking and setting specifically for me for a total cost of around £500. The end result will be better than higher spec WP or Ohlins.
Lightweight wheels? I'd have to buy a spare set at huge expense and anyway the fastest guy on here experimented with lightweight wheels and went back to the stock ones so not sure how much of a benefit it would be anyway.

Delivery for the first bikes has been set for first week in December, apparently. Dealers have been allocated 2 bikes per dealer for 2013.

Post 1067 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1068 by Bert,

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Post 1069 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1069
Notice no price tags yet. Race seat will be a welcome addition.

Post 1070 by Ruprecht,

#1070
Hah! Well, definitely not touring accessories then.

Good to see the race filter and open exhaust offered (with mapping) as a factory option.

Post 1071 by blb,

#1071
Looks like about 20k with all the powerparts! WANT!!! but can't have

Post 1072 by Stratkat,

#1072
funny, for a full unrestricted system there is still a HUGE collector box under the motorcycle. check it out in the 360 view.
tuned resonator box??
my current 990 has none of that just headers into the can.

Post 1073 by SuperHoon,

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Post 1074 by Ducati Pete,

#1074
im interested to what sort of weight loss is made from the full system. and the HP!! another 10hp wouldnt go astray.

it better be super loud.

Post 1075 by enigma990,

#1075
"WAVE" BRAKE DISC
•Race proven and street legal approved
•Stabile brake performance
•Less operating force necessary, but more brake power
•No fading


What a load of bollocks.

Buy shit you don't need!

Post 1076 by enigma990,

#1076
+1.... tho they do look good

Post 1077 by prikkie,

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Post 1080 by Exitman,

#1080
Hello Guys,

I'm new here, just registered, but i've been lurking around for a year and i just wanted to say thanks for all the information on the 1290. I've been lusting after it since the concept reveal last year and this site has been my source for all the latest and greatest on the production bike. Cheers guys!

I used to ride a Triumph Speed Triple but had to sell when I moved from London to California. Bought a 690 Duke and fell in love instantly, perfect for the twisties out here, but since then I've been doing regular track days and could use a few extra horses... 180bhp sounds about right!

Anyway, I'm going to the dealer on Saturday to put in my pre-order.

Thanks again

Stu

Post 1081 by cheeheese,

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Post 1082 by Lowrance,

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Post 1083 by No. 47,

#1083
"RACE STYLE" LEVER GUARD
•MotoGP race style for your 1290 Super Duke R
•A MUST HAVE for extra coolness and safety
•No accidental braking or clutching in case of contact with another rider


Coolness? Give me a fooking break...how bout a cool toe guard.....ok, I've beat this horse to death

Post 1084 by d2r,

#1084
Will wait for news re RR.

Post 1085 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1085
Patiently awaiting a real test/review. I find it a little hard to believe the claims of power and weight (lighter than our 990 version and 60-70hp more?). And (IMO), it's not a very attractive rig... kinda looks like a bunch of random parts thrown at a big motor.

Post 1086 by scamb66,

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Post 1087 by BassAgent,

#1087
I really don't imagine we will see a RR for 24 months. Just can't see KTM under cutting SDR sales by saying an SDRR is just around the corner.

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Post 1091 by Exitman,

#1091
Think I'm going to wait for the 'Factory RR S' model

Post 1092 by d2r,

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Post 1097 by SuperHoon,

#1097
Agrees with BassAgent. Kinda cocky and demeaning for what you'd expect from a moderator on this forum... or any forum for that matter.

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Post 1099 by BassAgent,

#1099
I can't think of what more they can do to create an RR version. Looks like the track version is completely unrestricted in terms of emission laws, no cat, upgraded airbox, remapped ecu. Maybe after a couple years on the market people will think of some tweeks to improve stuff, but I wouldn't hold my breath for an RR version any time soon. I wonder how they plan on selling the track version considering it has the blinkers and headlight for street riding, but emission wise it's totally illegal.

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Post 1107 by Ruprecht,

#1107
I must be getting old. I had the 180 hp bike and never could get used to the monster acceleration on the top end. So, KTM is offering a lighter bike with 100+ lbs-ft of torque, which will no doubt smartly lift the front wheel fooking everywhere. Fun? Sure, but what's the point? Going 160+ behind a fairing is one thing, but 160+ behind a bare instrument cluster? Of all the shit KTM has offered as PP for this "race" bike (race where, it's got too many cc's to race in any existing classes) there's not so much as a fly screen offered?

You guys can, and probably should, flame the shit out of me, but I just don't get it.

Post 1108 by scamb66,

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Post 1110 by Ruprecht,

#1110
990 sd trackbike, 640 duke 2 road.

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Post 1118 by Aphex,

#1118
If people here are looking for high speed track use, then sit and wait for these updates to come to the RC8R....

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Post 1123 by Stratkat,

#1123
Small observation on gearing...

It hits 225 (140ish MPH) at 8K revs in 5th.

That's about what my 990 does flat out in top give or take.

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Post 1125 by d2r,

#1125
That's a great vid! I love how fast it appears to be able to transition side to side.

Regarding the RR debate, I'm thinking maybe they go the way of the RC8R Track? Maybe it's that version that will have crazy wheels and the concept exhaust? They'll just market it as track only?

I'm sure the R with exhaust/suspension will be more than enough, but I AM curious...

Post 1126 by Ruprecht,

#1126
Nice find Rup, well didn't take long to hit 140 on that straight did it with loads to go
And around town looked to behave fine for those that think it's going to be a bucking whore , it's going to be a FUN bike and for me able to do Track days, Drag, Commute and Tour something the 990 can't always do easily. But you wont be able to use the performance as easily as the 990, all depends what ticks your box on the way you ride a bike

As for 'the race version' it isn't, it's just powerparts to make it better at a trackday (tho a 1290 race series would be great) , as for RC8 it wont get anything more than a 1200 unless KTM decide not to race a supersport bike and tbh unless capacity rules change think the days of V's taking and beating the fours are over. Minimum is a V4 and even Aprilia struggle at times.

As for waiting for the RR well if you're not able to get a 1290 for awhile then you got time to wait, know I have but if you got the chance to get one now then why not at the end of the day you have an awesome bike that when the RR does arrive you can trade up and in the process put more used bikes on the market
But I really don't think an RR is going to be quite what some of you guy's are expecting

Post 1127 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1129 by MADDOG53,

#1129
That vid does make it look very flickable, good to see. Looks like it redlines somewhere just after 10k. Would love to se a dyno print out. I'm sure one of the mags will publish one soon.

For some reason the vid wasn't showing in my browser so here is a link in case anyone else had a problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn2hmk35sOU

Post 1130 by Aphex,

#1130
Sounds like shit

Not sure who shot that video but he needs to learn how to ride on the street. Guess he thinks crossing the CL of the road around every corner means he was going fast

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Post 1133 by Ruprecht,

#1133
Looks like the continental journos got first blag...

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Post 1136 by Lowrance,

#1136
That may well be the case, I didn't see a TC light come on during the vid, unless I missed it? Maybe they're waiting until they go to the Ascari track to unleash it and wow everyone?

Post 1137 by BassAgent,

#1137
Nope...drive mode says Sport.

So that is Spain then? Kind of looked like it.

Post 1138 by Aphex,

#1138
with all the electronic piss on it will it leave you stranded ?

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Post 1141 by tripoddave,

#1141
Wotch The video now
And see it
225km/h at 8500rpm ? As 265km/h at 10000rpm. Whot as top speed?

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Post 1143 by Ducati Pete,

#1143
The reviews on the Adventure say the TC is intrusive as well, like it softens the motor a bit too much. Probably the same here. Thanks a ton for posting all the links to reviews/reports! There goes my morning

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Post 1145 by Ducati Pete,

#1145
One of the problems I've found with the current bike at tracks with a long straight is the gearbox ratio's limit you to how you can adapt your final drive gearing.

The thing is only geared for a top of about 155, which on the road makes perfect sense.

Get on a track with a 1.1KM straight and if you go lower than 16/38 you'll be on the limiter way before your braking marker.

As opposed to a triumph 675, which gives you plenty of room to lower the gearing.
At almeria I had a 675 motoring away from the down the straight even though the superduke has similar power.

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Post 1148 by tripoddave,

#1148
The road test video is southern Spain.

Draw a line West from Malaga and north from Marbella, that's the start point.
They are heading North.

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Post 1150 by SuperHoon,

#1150
What are KTM usually like with their power claims?
I noticed they claim 175 at the crank for the RC8R, and it seems to dyno about 145-150ish. Seems like a lot of driveline loss...

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Post 1153 by Sumojoe,

#1153
jesus christ that's a lot of money

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Post 1155 by SuperHoon,

#1155
luggage is nice, considering the lack of ktm options for the current models.

everyone seems to be raving about how nicely behaved it is on the throttle, i dont know if i like that. i love how my 990 is so direct with the wrist to the back tyre, taking that away would be really dissapointing.

maybe hook a tuner up to it and open the secondary flies right up and im sure the airbox is a bit of a restriction as they said its the same one from the 1190 adventure..

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Post 1159 by scamb66,

#1159
Think price will be sub $25k here in oz. Local dealer thinks pricing here should be similar to the 1190 ADV, so that would punt it around $23k.
This places it next to the 848 Street fighter and compared to Ducati's Diavel and Multistrada which are closer to the $30k mark think it is well placed for the performance.

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Post 1164 by Lowrance,

#1164
With 160-165ish at the rear this bike should have a higher top speed than 160mph (260kph) body work or no.

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Post 1166 by Ruprecht,

#1166
On the highest speed run, it looks like he shuts it off at about 8.5K rpm in 6th, doing 259. Looks to be doing 240 at 8K in 6th.
So maybe it would wind out a fair bit more that 260. Eventually.

Post 1167 by Crotchrockety,

#1167
0-100 km in over 4 sec? With that much power, that bike should break into the 2s or low 3s at worst.

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Post 1170 by Ruprecht,

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hp and top speed is a funny thing, my old parallel twin 89bhp trx broke 126 mph down the back straight at kirkistown before braking, my sdr with 45 bhp more managed 6mph on top of that, it seems you need better aero dynamics or a shit load more hp to punch through the wind at high speed, A friends almost standard sd done around the same speed at kirikistown

Post 1171 by shadowman,

#1171
Screen looks... functional.

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Post 1172 by Ruprecht,

#1172
My other bike does 300KMH with a gear to spare but honestly - who cares about top speed?

On the road its throttle response, rolling acceleration and power spread that dictate overtaking ability and corner to corner grin factor. For hooning you need wheel lifting throttle response and hopefully a good noise as well! Away from the lights the current SD is faster than any car you are likely to meet and rider skill will will dictate the outcome against any other bike. Unless you drag race zero to sixty times and crank HP figures are only really useful for bragging rights and to impress the gullible.

As drag is proportional to the square of velocity it gets harder and harder to accelerate as the speed increases. Draggy old biplanes could be pointed vertically down with the motor straining and still not exceed 200MPH, freefall jumpers top out at about 120MPH despite the best efforts of gravity to accelerate them. I’m not sure how many people here have actually gone faster that 160MPH on a naked bike but the wind blast and is something to behold!!

If I eventually get one and felt any need to fiddle I would probably gear it for 140 ish flat out and just enjoy the extra snap lower down.

Really looking forward to the proper road tests and to hearing what SD.net members think of theirs once they are out in the wild.

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Post 1175 by Lowrance,

#1175
Be nice to see some reviews in ENGLISH instead of that poorly translated Google garbage.

Post 1176 by Exitman,

#1176
I'm liking this bike more and more. The versatility they've designed into it with the touring screen and panniers is utter genius in my opinion. I think they've really listened to many of the folks on this forum - all the guys who have been brave and clocked thousands of miles touring, well, KTM have provided a pretty darned good solution.

Didn't want one, now I od. Guess I better score some new business for my agency to justify

Post 1177 by Lowrance,

#1177
That touring screen looks like a tack-on POS straight out of a Harley-Davidson catalog.

Rubbish.

Post 1178 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1181 by baggieman,

#1181
Now I know why I came back

Post 1182 by Stratkat,

#1182
i have to agree, that is one hideous screen. im sure it will work but it looks like a total after though.
do love the bags though, are they hard bags???

Post 1183 by Lowrance,

#1183
The first thing I thought of when I saw that wind screen.

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Post 1186 by Ducati Pete,

#1186
Good photo article with a few words. Said "it is the most impressive motorcycle I have ever ridden"

Post 1187 by CEREC1,

#1187
I was just trying to figure out why you're so negative.

I'm known as Mr Grumpy and next to you I seem like a ray of sunshine!

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Post 1190 by omky756,

#1190
Must admit it's got me thinking,,,,,,,,,,,

Post 1191 by Ruprecht,

#1191
Can't wait for all the reviews to start coming in. Aren't they on the track with it anytime now? That will also make interesting reading.

Post 1192 by Lowrance,

#1192
It's starting to grow on me..lol
Not too keen on the wind screen...
Looks like ass..but hey..
Won't have to swap out much..
Me thinks...
I wanna black one..

Post 1193 by Lowrance,

#1193
I've been going back and forth a lot lately about color. In pics, the orange and white looks the best to me. But in the posted pics of the event, that black one just looks menacing as hell. I wish the subframe was orange too. Maybe a black one, and then have the wheels coated like the prototype, except for half BLACK/half orange? That could be slick...

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Post 1196 by BassAgent,

#1196
I hate how biased that site is to the toohomo

Post 1197 by omky756,

#1197
I'm not against it..
I'll have to give Crotchrockety`s
a test ride...

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Post 1200 by Lowrance,

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I certainly hope the 1290 isn't as boring as the 1190. All that fly by wire stuff is too safe. I rode one around town today. It felt like I was on a Gullwing or some other grand tourer. I guess this is what it feels like to ride a toohomo.

Post 1201 by soarsore,

#1201
Tuono is anything but boring....trust me on that one.

Where did you ride the Adventurer at?

Post 1202 by Ruprecht,

#1202
The 1290 is up on Motorcycle Ergonomics
http://cycle-ergo.com/
I know most folks do not care, but it is one degree more knee bend compared to the 990 and three degrees more upright.

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Post 1204 by jjlester_74,

#1204
Not a review, but .

Part 2 of the other that was posted.

Looks like they had at least 4 bikes prepped with slicks, the full akrapovic system, different rear shock, the rearsets, "race" triple clamp, levers and other power parts.



Some rider (tank really) POV footage from Ascari.

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Post 1206 by Lowrance,

#1206
I need it more LOUDERN Then Akrapovic

Post 1207 by Crotchrockety,

#1207
I want more of that first video! Was just getting into it and then.....fook!

Based on the second video the slipper clutch can certainly do it's job...guy was downshifting at 10Krpm. Try that on the current bike without a slipper...end up on head and bend valves for good measure.

Post 1208 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1208
That Akra system sounds suitably deep and with good rumble. But the popping on the overrun sounds terrible. Heard it a bit in the track shots, but when he was standing there revving it, I thought it sounded great, right up until the awful popping.

Post 1209 by Lowrance,

#1209
That aweful popping you're refering to is the rev limiter.

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Post 1212 by Crotchrockety,

#1212
Problem is a lot of people want all that electronic stuff and they will want this bike to sell big. Given that the reviews are all saying the beast is tamed this opens up the market to people who want to own this bike but couldn't handle the raw grunt. If you're going to have the electronics you may as well go big on hp

Post 1213 by The Gin Reaper,

#1213
double posting of a video....... edited it out before the Mods put me in the naughty corner......

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Post 1215 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1215
I want to see someone who really knows what they are doing taking it out on the track.

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Post 1218 by Ducati Pete,

#1218
Sorry, I've seen no specific vid but he's spoken highly of it.

It would be great to see a vid but it will always look fast. When we were at Jerez with Rhiem racing he rode a pretty tatty GSXR750 which had a end can, slicks and braided lines fitted, he put a lap in quick enough to qualify for the MotoGP race!

Post 1219 by scamb66,

#1219
Placed a pre order in for a black one on Thursday, dealer said that they will be getting a pre-production model for a week after the bike has done the rounds of the motorcycle shows.
Perth is slated for November 1-3 so maybe a good chance for a look then.
Imagine it will be doing the rest of Oz as well.

Post 1220 by Lowrance,

#1220
This is the best video I've seen of the bikes capabilities. Unfortunately it's way to short. Track preped version with slicks etc but give an idea of the potential which looks good.

The guy in the black and white Spidis and blue boots is hauling @ the 55 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hl-v7jdt8k

Post 1221 by SDNerd,

#1221
Amusing (perhaps already posted in this thread - ?):


Spoke with the stealer about it yesterday - they haven't been given delivery dates yet ...

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Post 1223 by Lowrance,

#1223
Agreed. We need one of those lucky bastards to post some useful video.

Post 1225 by Jermo,

#1225
Looks like a pretty long gearing as well. Goes through the 200km/h barrier quickly!

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Post 1229 by Lowrance,

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"As I tickled the bike out of the car park, I felt more like I was sat on a bison, holding onto its horns, knowing that any second it was going to have KTM stamped on its arse with a red hot poker.

I was holding that poker.

But someone had forgotten to leave it in the fire for long enough.

I expected the cold rear Dunlop Sportsmart2 to smear itself along the motorway sliproad and the clocks to leap up and try and headbutt me the moment the rear Dunlop had found some grip but the SD1290 ploughed forward like a tsunami when I was expecting an volcanic eruption.

I was in Street mode. That explains it. So I switched to Sport mode an tried again but although the bike surged forward with a little extra vigour, there were no huge explosions, no spitting columns of molten lava . I was still alive.

Alive and slightly puzzled".

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Post 1231 by Lowrance,

#1231
In his write up he said he did. In fact 1/2 of his riding was done with it turned off as he didn't feel it needed TC turned on. Hmmm.


'You can turn off the MTC and you’ll get your wheelies back but it doesn’t change the power deliver and you won’t have any traction control. Not that you need it, really, you don’t. I spent half of my time on the bike without the traction control on and never once thought I’d be responsible for my own electronically unassisted suicide. Well ok, maybe once but you know what? That’s half the fun.'

This guy is one hell of an entertaining writer. I highly recommend reading the article.

Post 1232 by MrZ32,

#1232
This is upsetting news. .. maybe we will have to wait a year for people to work out how to remove the restrictions and get a 'race' throttle and not some Honda.

After giving my sd an absolute thrashing and remembering why i loved it so much... I don't think I would want something smooth. I love it because it responds to inputs like a moto crosser but doesn't let up in the top end.

I have the guy who was riding with me on a gsxr 750 a go... I came back uninspired. .. and he got off with a massive grin. That is what an sd should be about. Sure, it needs the softer settings for the general public but it also needs the No holds barred mapping to. .. They should call it hooligan mode

Post 1233 by SuperHoon,

#1233
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i bet this is why they say it feels friendly.

i really hope tuneECU or something is worked out quickly for these bikes, sport mode should be direct then leave the others how they are

Post 1234 by Stratkat,

#1234
I just find it hard to believe that it's that tame. I mean the ones we have now have the potential to bite hard if you're stupid with it. I would think with 160 unfettered hp at the back wheel with a sit up naked it would wheelie like crazy in 4th. To be perfectly honest I didn't even try to wheelie the V4 Toano (or I didn't try a long wheelie I should say) because it was way to explosive to figure out on the short test ride. I can't imagine this new 1290 is going to be softer than that. KTM just doesn't build gentle into the night motorcycles. I don't know what to think

Post 1236 by MrZ32,

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Post 1237 by Stratkat,

#1237
Ok first he says to turn off the TC and you get your wheelies back, then he says if you want to wheelie buy a Hypermotard or a Toano... I mean who cares if you have TC when you wheelie?

Post 1238 by Ruprecht,

#1238
This review is consistent with how the 1190 adventure throttle felt like. I didn't recognize it as a KTM anymore. There is something very raw and instinctual about feeling every drop of fuel enter the cylinders as you twist the throttle on a 990. The fly by wire takes all of that feeling away. You have to figure though, most motorcycle riders are not track rats. If joe average is walking down motorcycle dealer street test riding every naked bike, he will look at the specs of 1290 SD and compare it with the FZ1 or Z1000, and probably go with the 1290 SD because it's just a smooth but has bigger numbers to brag about. Plus, you have to figure KTM is also trying to pull customers away from the BMW K1300R, hence the big displacement. It kind of reminds me of the MV F3 reviews when they first came out. All the pre-set mappings were too tame, but MV allowed the user to make custom maps direct from the console, which improved the bike significantly. For this reason if I ever have enough money to waste on a new track bike, I'll probably go with an MV because the electronics are tuner friendly.

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Post 1241 by Lowrance,

#1241
I remember doing wire mods for my RC8R and 690SMC to trick the ECU into thinking you're in 3rd all the time to give you full power in the first 3 gears. Wonder if the same can be done here?

Sad that the electronics are completely dumbing down the experience

A review should not end with 'if you don't like wheelies or being a hooligan, this bike is for you'. Seriously saddening.

Post 1242 by Ruprecht,

#1242


Some more ride footage:

Post 1243 by jmann,

#1243
That was fooking painful to watch (and it was on the fully preped bike with slicks).

That certainly wasn't Don Canet.

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Post 1247 by Ducati Pete,

#1247
Looks like we are really going to need TuneECU to work with the 1290. Maybe a throttle cam will help with the problem but I want the option for an out right maniac mode if or no other reason than the bike to scare me shitless.

Post 1248 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1249 by shadowman,

#1249
To be fair, we are talking about a problem we don't even have yet.

The 1st and 2nd restriction is lifted on the 990 with a simple remap (the Akra map) or a quick wire swap.
We already know it has a supermoto mode.

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Post 1251 by Lowrance,

#1251
Don't worry guys the SDRR will not only have Wet, Street, Sport and Race modes but also Motogp mode.

Post 1252 by gringo,

#1252
I'm fairly stupid so I may be wrong but it seems to me this is overcomplicating things a bit.

In my experience you rotate the twisty bit towards you untill you achieve the desired level of thrust at which point you stop twisting?

So if 60% of twist = 40% of max thrust then just twist a bit more untill 60% (or whatever the desired level is) is achieved.

As full twist = max output then it stands to reason that any desired % of thrust can be dialed in, you may just have to twist a bit more if it's non linear.

Still liking what I have seen of it so far

Post 1253 by Ruprecht,

#1253
Now we have an idea of ground clearance for the exhaust

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Post 1254 by Sumojoe,

#1254
One can only hope KTM release (in the not to distant future) a SW upgrade to allow a more linear twist grip to TB Sport mode as thats all it would be, a simple software upgrade. Of course some software weenie would have to write it.

I'm in the less is more camp when it comes to electronics as well. I do understand the need for them on these ever increasing HP motors (especially when a less than experienced rider gets behind the controls) but there should certainly be an option for a robust Sport or Track setting to give you what you are paying for as an experienced rider. In addition, OFF should mean OFF! You could have a pop up screen say "are you sure?"

Post 1255 by tripoddave,

#1255
i just want to know the price, here in spain no news but the dealer in valencia has said thay are trying to get one of the bikes that has been tested down in the south up to valencia and that i can have it for few days if they get one!!!! i do believe him as they gave me the 2009 rc8r for a week when thay got one after some tests somewere else in spain so heres hoping..........

Post 1256 by Lowrance,

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Post 1260 by Lowrance,

#1260
Don't think so as that guy was apparently from Cycle World and this guy is european? writing for A&R.

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Post 1262 by Lowrance,

#1262
Ah, the squid.

Hopefully what he is feeling is a direct result of the loose nut behind the bars

Post 1263 by scamb66,

#1263
The biggest bitch about the old SD was it's snatchy throttle response, maybe KTM keep an eye on the forum and took it on board and made sure it didnt happen again.
Be careful what you wish for!

Post 1264 by dynastar,

#1264
These initial reviews are making me want to keep my '08 superduke. I guess I can understand KTM not wanting to unleash this monster to the public unabated. Rather than being an "experts" only bike, they dumbed it down for the masses to increase sales and limit liability while still leaving the high performance for those who want to chase it.

Still though, sounds like the 990 Super Duke is more what I think is representative of the KTM brand. No compromises, no apologies, and no excuses.

It's nothing new though, the 2004 Kawasaki 10R and the 2005 Suzuki GSXR1K were the last of their kind before newer models of these bikes were muted to protect the public.

After all, we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside

Post 1265 by shadowman,

#1265
Accepting that bike jurno’s are full of shit this is still encouraging....

Culled from one of the test links above.....

Above that the engine truly is a beast: turn the traction control off and it’s simply impossible to keep the front wheel down in the first 3 gears. In fourth, fifth, or sixth, a tiny crest in the road will result into a power-wheelie. KTM definitely didn’t lie when they christened this bike as ‘The Beast’: the 1290 Super Duke R is faster, stronger, wilder than you can imagine.

Post 1266 by Ruprecht,

#1266


(turn on the auto captions for a bit of a laugh)

Post 1267 by shadowman,

#1267
So 259 KPH at just under 8K (see vid above).

This would give 291 @ 9K or just over 180 MPH assuming that you could hold on and that the wind resistance can be overcome.

Obviously the speedo will over read but even so thats considered quite brisk where I come from.

Post 1268 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1271 by MrZ32,

#1271
sorry for the crappy paint pics, i cant seem to find my CS copy.. so this crap will have to do but you will get the gist (couldnt rotate it or stretch it the way i wanted to)

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Post 1275 by Stratkat,

#1275
[quote=dude, stop it already. the bike is designed and has been released, it is what it is.[/quote]
Yes but it doesn't stop the aftermarket guys from giving me the exhaust and belly pan that I want. Screw akro and their retarded design... give us the proto pipes or I will get something elsewhere that is underslung.

It really doesn't look like there is much in it to get an underslung happening... so why the f@ck shouldn't I put up pics... I'm buying an sd but am already modifying it in my mind.[/quote]


i think we all get it, its not pretty, but its not going to help at this point till the aftermarket takes over.

Post 1276 by shadowman,

#1276
One for all you US folks

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Post 1279 by shadowman,

#1279
Not sure why they are calling it the "R" version considering you have to pay extra for all of the cool race power parts like upgraded suspension, milled triples, and akra exhaust. Even if you ignore the little bling parts, it will still cost another $6K in upgrades to fully unleash the beast. Surprising to read that stock forks do not have preload adjustment because some marketing dweeb doesn't think 8-10mm of adjustment is significant. I wonder where else they cut corners to save on bottom line? Good thing I'm not in the market for a new bike, sounds like it best to wait another couple years to ring out all the bugs. By then we will have enough salvage bling parts to get on flee bay at discount thanks to BassAgent.

Post 1280 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1280
Sounds like the TC can be permanently turned off if you buy the dongle that saves your last settings.

I'm thinking that will probably sell well!!

Post 1281 by jmann,

#1281
Special No8 is a chance to win the Beast! Now I thought as the user with the highest post count on SD.net you lot might just let me enter and fly the flag for SD.net. Come on you know it makes sense

Post 1282 by Ruprecht,

#1282
You know I entered that competition the second it appeared.
4 people get to test ride the thing for the whole summer (in their choice of stock, race, "style" or touring configuration) and one of them wins the bike...
Best of luck.

Post 1283 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1283
Wow all these reviews saying it is a pussycat, other riders will christen it the "Super Homo" until the RR version is released, oh the humanity.

Post 1284 by Ruprecht,

#1284
"Super Duchess"?

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Post 1287 by SuperHoon,

#1287
i've entered the comp, hopefully my background of national level road racing, flat track and supermoto gets me across the line because my face certainly won't!

Post 1288 by Crotchrockety,

#1288
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Post 1289 by prikkie,

#1289
race version sounds tasty.

its only money anyway.

Post 1290 by shadowman,

#1290
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Post 1291 by Blackduke77,

#1291
Sad that the MCN chap scratched it off his BotY list. I expected it to be expensive, as the 2010 RC8R was 20k US with zero electronics or anything (miss that bike).

The more of these I read, definitely waiting to see if there's an RR/improved model. I understand the KTM boss' position that they can't let it go full retard for safety reasons and stupid people, but the option SHOULD be available/unlockable, even if through a stupid dongle, for riders that aren't dumb enough to go 100% throttle at 20mph in 1st...

Just give us the OPTION. Still want though.

Post 1292 by Lowrance,

#1292
Some photoshop. Figgering out what i will do when i buy the 1290 SDR.
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Post 1293 by No. 47,

#1293
The second one looks best to me.

If it were possible to have a low level side outlet on either side and not have the under seat pipe at all that would be better still

Post 1294 by Lowrance,

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Post 1296 by SDNerd,

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Post 1297 by Ducati Pete,

#1297
Sounds as if KTM have altered the TC mapping for the full-on track set-up bikes (not just the fueling for the Akra pipe). This is good news as it should allow us to pick and choose which portions of the map we want to use (as soon as some software weenie breaks the code that is).

Kind of worriesome that KTM will 'release an approved list of tyres' suitable for use on this bike...WTF. Good thing I do like Dunnys over Michies. Did the French piss off the Austrians some how?

Post 1298 by Ducati Pete,

#1298
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Post 1300 by tripoddave,

#1300
Could this Map be the 1290 version of the "Akra Map"?

Post 1301 by Lowrance,

#1301
BTW - those KR series dunlop slicks are fantastic.

The 125/65 front is a real treat.

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Post 1303 by MADDOG53,

#1303
I had a chat with Matt from Performance Bikes Magazine today.
He was one of the journalists at the launch.
I think he thinks that the 1290R is very nearly a great bike. KTM have made the 1290R a little more main stream and accessible than the original SD.
Matt thinks that raising the rear ride height and may be dropping the yokes down the forks a bit will sharpen up the steering and help it hold a line better. Firming things up a bit would help. The fork cartridge kit and replacement shock from the power parts catalogue help a lot in this respect.
Matt says the 1290R wheelies in the first four gears, no worries, with the traction control turned off and that the Akrapovic race exhaust and re-map make a big difference to the power curve as well as the power.
Matt is not a technophobe and anti rider aids but he does think the bike rides better without the traction control.
However he believes the fly by wire throttle curve does take the edge off but also makes the bike easier to handle at big angles of lean - if it were linear it would be very difficult indeed because of the huge amount of torque.
All in all a really good bike with the potential to be a truly great one.

Personally I'm looking forward to reading the launch report in PB.

Post 1304 by Lowrance,

#1304
And Motorcyclist mag finally chimed in with their take on the bike...reads pretty good.

I'm seeing a lot of speculation about price being inthe $17K + range from the various reviews comming out of Spain. I've got to say if that is the case I can't really see the 1290 being $2.5 - $3.5K better than the Aprilia TV4R. And, the Tuono has a better electronics package out of the crate. Hmmm, I hope they are wrong.

Author is Aaron Frank. I know the name but unsure of the nationality. Is he British?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/first ... irst_ride/

Post 1305 by scamb66,

#1305
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Post 1307 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1307
I can see the price dropping £1.5k in 12 months to match the drop the tuono has had. It's going to be 18 months before I'll be getting one anyway. Might make it that bit cheaper.

Post 1308 by Lowrance,

#1308
I agree about price potentially being the biggest knock.

Having said that, being able to taylor the TC and wheelie control to ones preference sounds appealing. Apparently all the dongle will do is allow you to have TC remain off if you cycle the on/off switch. I think with that much power on tap it would be nice to have a certain amount of TC to keep things in check but also be able to taylor the wheelie control if for no other reason than they are a hell of a lot of fun when powering out of a corner.

It's all speculation at this point and will definitely take seat time on the bike to determine. I'm with you on the virtues of a V-Twin. I'm definitely hooked on a sporting V-Twin's power characteristics. Those damn V4s do sound good though.

When I get back to town in late November I plan on demmoing a 2014 TV4R. The first chance I will get to see the 1290 in person will be the LBMC in early December. Not sure when demmos will be available...sounds like late February at the earliest. Going to be a long winter.

Post 1309 by jjlester_74,

#1309
i like this style




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Post 1310 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1310
That bike is going to suffer serious ground clearance issues. I can't keep the right handside of the belly pan off the deck on some fast corners on track. That will be a major issue for that bike imo.

Post 1311 by SuperHoon,

#1311
I don't know but that setup seems to exacerbate the shortness of the swingarm the tail unit just seems a little long, maybe the streetfighter like exhaust setup you had would change things. Actually maybe it is not the tail the distance between the front of the rear tyre and the frame is too short imo the streetfighter exhust setup may disguise that still good work.

Post 1312 by Stratkat,

#1312
fook the electronics, thats what rider skill is for

Post 1313 by Ducati Pete,

#1313
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Post 1314 by Bert,

#1314
I want as direct control as possible with minimum electrickery.

However, as I only ride on track, with the type of power and torque figures that are being discussed, I recognise a bit of TC and wheelie control would be most helpfull.

It doesn't make the ZX10R a dull machine.

Post 1315 by Lowrance,

#1315
guys, can you please keep the swingarm mod discussion in ? Thanks.

Post 1316 by CEREC1,

#1316
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Post 1317 by Stratkat,

#1317
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Post 1318 by 41KS,

#1318
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Post 1319 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1319
Looks good enough to me



Post 1320 by Lowrance,

#1320
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Post 1321 by Ducati Pete,

#1321
I like the mirrors. One thing I would not have to change as I did on my 08.

There, something positive......y'all happy?

Post 1322 by Lowrance,

#1322
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Post 1323 by Ducati Pete,

#1323

Post 1324 by MADDOG53,

#1324
Can I just make sure I've got this straight. You watched those videos and the thing that struck you most was how attractive the mirrors were!

Post 1325 by Ruprecht,

#1325
The devil is in the detail!

Post 1326 by Lowrance,

#1326
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#1327
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Post 1328 by Ruprecht,

#1328
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Post 1329 by Lowrance,

#1329
Everyone see that connector behind the airbox? Get your dilectric grease ready...

Post 1330 by SuperHoon,

#1330
march 2014.

fook sake. i need a new bike now!

Post 1331 by AGRO!,

#1331
Why do we pay so much for bikes in Australia?
I was expecting it to be under $20,000.

Post 1332 by MrZ32,

#1332
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Post 1333 by AGRO!,

#1333
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Post 1334 by Ducati Pete,

#1334
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Post 1335 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1335
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#1336
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Post 1337 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1337
Visor Down has a bit of track footage on the "Race" version. Camera work could be better though...

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 23841.html

There's also supposedly a new leaked pic of the upcoming 2014 Z1000 for those that are interested in how the competition is shaping up.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 23844.html

Brief article in the Telegraph is being replicated on the news sites: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/mot ... eview.html

KTM presentation of the "Race" version and Akra sound check.

Post 1338 by QuietRider,

#1338
He must have had it in super moto mode as the rear was def squealing a fair bit in one corner. chest mount just doesn't work on anything but a dirt bike.

Post 1339 by Lowrance,

#1339
That Ninja 1000 looks alright, but the bigger thing is that links to the article about the leaked RC390 pics/specs.

I hope to make that my wife's next track day bike, as she wants something a bit less extreme than her RSV4 Factory.

Plus it looks awesome, and it's orange

Post 1340 by Ruprecht,

#1340
This from motorcycle.com's "first ride" review.

"The outcome of KTM’s efforts is faultless EFI mapping and precision throttle control. Mild to aggressive throttle inputs are processed and delivered to the rear wheel in measured, smooth application. Throttle abruptness is nonexistent."

Nice.

Post 1342 by SDNerd,

#1342
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Post 1343 by Ruprecht,

#1343
Thanks once again Rup....you are finding some good stuff. That Z1000 looks like photo shop special to me.

You are right about the teaser videos for 2013. They are getting a bit old in my opine. If you've got something to say or show, do it.

Come on November 4th!

Post 1344 by Ruprecht,

#1344
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#1346
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Post 1347 by Ruprecht,

#1347
Looks like the new Beemer nekid is set to launch next month as well. Who would have thought there would be so much nudity. 1967 might have been the "summer of love", but 2013 is certainly the winter of naked love - unless you're in the southern hemisphere I guess.

Post 1348 by SDNerd,

#1348
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#1349
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#1350
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Post 1351 by Lowrance,

#1351
GFC? Great fooking Cock-up?

Post 1352 by Lowrance,

#1352
Whoa...

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Post 1353 by MrZ32,

#1353
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#1354
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Post 1355 by Ruprecht,

#1355
Is that a photoshop?

Looks like it still has clip-ons. Low ones.

Post 1356 by Lowrance,

#1356
Don't know...it was on the af1 Tuono forum

Post 1357 by MADDOG53,

#1357
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Post 1358 by scamb66,

#1358
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Post 1359 by Lowrance,

#1359
I'm just stoked at what appears to be a plethora of choices (of non-neutered nakeds) soon to be in dealerships. The more manufactures are compteing for our dollars the better the equipment will be and hopefully more competitive pricing as well.

KTM, BMW, Aprilia, Ducati, MV, Triumph and soon to be - Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc, etc, etc

fooking fantastic!

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#1360
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Post 1361 by Stratkat,

#1361
It would be cool if there was a real "street fighter" racing league where the objective is to race from one city to the next. Along the way there are road blocks that need to be avoided, there is no real designated track so you can take as many short cuts as you can find, etc... Kind of like rush the rock video game. It would be interesting to see which bike style would reign supreme in an environment that is constantly changing. If you were to race from SF to LA, some might pick a hyabusa and set cruise control on 200mph while slabbing down HW5, but along that road there would be random things like police road blocks, cows crossing the freeway, over passes collapsed etc... then the rider will have to find another road and cut over HW 101, where more hazards are encountered where they have to cut over to HW1, then back to HW101 etc, and end up taking Mulholland freeway into Hollywood, where now they face bumper to bumper traffic etc... Now the idea of slabbing on a Hyabusa doesn't sound so great. This is where the street fighters come in. Where you need to adapt to unpredictable conditions, make constant changes to the route, maybe even cut across dirt roads. It would be interesting to see which "street fighter" is the best in these cases. It could be that a Hypermotarded would work better than a street fighter... who knows. One can only dream. I like to think that KTM thought of this type of scenario when designing the Super Duke.

Post 1362 by StuartJ,

#1362
thats actually a great idea!

Post 1363 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1363
Another video from 1000ps... It's all in German, but great video of the bike in action at Ascari. Forgive me if this has been posted already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo1-i9DvwoY

Post 1364 by Ducati Pete,

#1364
Could do with subs in English. Footage is great though. It does look like a riot to ride

Post 1365 by stalker,

#1365
yep i pick my 1290 sd in december....


they have a dedicated web site for this bike...www.1290superduker.com

Post 1366 by Ducati Pete,

#1366
LOLZ

Post 1367 by SuperHoon,

#1367
HAHA

Post 1368 by Lowrance,

#1368
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#1369
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Post 1370 by Stratkat,

#1370
why do australia have to wait until march! frustrating. you can get a toohomo v4r for 18k ride away at the moment, but i didn't like it.

that means the riding summer is over before the new bike comes, and that means my 990 will probably have 30,xxxkms on it. and it will be worth zero.

i'm in two minds on this bike now, one part of me really really wants one but the other part just wants a bike that i don't have to worry about if it gets scratched, ridden on the dirt, falls over etc.

new bikes make me really anal with care.

Post 1371 by Ruprecht,

#1371
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#1372
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#1373
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Post 1375 by enigma990,

#1375
My brakes weren't too reliable yesterday unfortunately

Post 1376 by smackman,

#1376
Does anyone living near Caldwell Park have one on order? Evotech would like to measure one up for their products.

Anyone lending their bike for this will get the appropriate products for free.

If you can oblige, Gary at Evotech can be contacted on this number; +44 (0) 1507 466729

Post 1377 by enigma990,

#1377
If they wanna buy me one be glad to help with development

Post 1378 by AGRO!,

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#1380

Post 1381 by Ruprecht,

#1381
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Post 1384 by Ruprecht,

#1384
ouch, €15,479.00 plus registration here in spain.

a lot of money may have to have to get something differente and wait for a couple of years.

mind you i do have a test ride planned within the next few weeks so................

Post 1385 by MrZ32,

#1385
More Ascari from 1000PS.



KTM certainly .
I wonder if the press that missed out on the invite will still be as positive.

Post 1386 by BassAgent,

#1386
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Post 1387 by AGRO!,

#1387
1290 is nice ,,but IMO way to much for the street,,however, throttle jockey's are everywhere,,( do they know how to ride or just know how to twist with they're right hand ) twack day hewoes ( look at me ,,I ride the track ),,,TBH the next bike I would consider at buying is the 800 SD , with the scaled down RC motor,,,betting it will meet or beat the 990 SD,,,,and come with all the goodies people want for "the real world" of riding on the road and for a better price,,,,,,and for all the people laying out the dosh for a new one,,I wouldn't be so keen to sell the current bike as yet,,,,it may be you liked it better that the new one in the end,,,better off having both in the garage and see which one "is" really betta,,,,,,,been there and done that ,,,and kicked myself in the arse for years after, wanting what I once had and let go for something better that in the end wasn't all that good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Post 1388 by scamb66,

#1388
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Post 1389 by Ruprecht,

#1389
Selling the current sd for the new one was never an option. .. it has to be an extra bike. I have always had more than one bike while owning the sd and all have come and gone. .. hypermotard, r1200rtp, f800 & mt01 (with only the MT01 being the one that I will be sad to see go. .. Today in fact).

Always loved the bike. .. lusted for it, bought it, modified it, still after four years I get caught by the mrs sneaking to the garage just to admire it).

The 1290 will be the extra bike

Post 1390 by fatbob,

#1390
Lets face it, the brand is getting watered down. The same seasoning was done to the Duke line and after being marinated by the Indians when they bought-in, resulted in some cheap looking headlights watered down monster sort-of-a bike. Speaking of the Duke, its got so many versions I can barely taste the difference between bananas and plantains. 1290 is cool however all this BS hype for something that does not measure up to quiet the grand finale i expected leaves me plenty happy with my soon to arrive SDR I purchased from Palmer on this forum. Like most of you I am a twin guy although I have place in my heart for my 990R MV Brutale and I'll probably sometime end up buying a used 1290 and tricking it out.

Post 1391 by AGRO!,

#1391
I'm definitely keeping my 08 SDR after buying the 1290..... ive just been trying to decide if I'm keeping the speed triple or selling it to more easily fun the 1290..... I must say it is somewhat calming riding the s3 at times and hot damn is it smooth as shit to wheely

Post 1392 by ozarkhomie,

#1392
It will be enjoyable to read all of the reviews from those that are first to venture into the uncharted…sifting through, looking for the "real" versus the "I spent a lot of money and need to justify by giving it a rave" review. New is always fun, but not always for long…this old man is more than happy being full fat with a "full fat!!"

Gentlemen…I do hope you enjoy the 1290's.

Hey Whipper Snapper….how you getting on with that mini-bike?

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Post 1394 by SuperHoon,

#1394
the next special should be here with 24hrs, i wonder what it will be.

when do we find out who wins the bike? hopefully someone from here gets one.

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Post 1398 by BassAgent,

#1398
i didn't even apply for the test-ride competition.... I figured they'd see all the crashing I do and immediately DQ me haha

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Post 1400 by AGRO!,

#1400
Regarding my rant yesterday. It's not that I don't like the bike or so I just don't like to be feffed around by some company no matter who they are.
Just saying I don't understand the marketing. All the hoeha but no bikes...??? Like in the mean time who sells big adv bikes at the moment.... (maybe bmw..maybe yes maybe...)
Same with the 390. Awsome little learner but no stock, well if I'm a young chap and have my licence sorted i'm not going to wait 6 months for a bike to show up, another sale lost.

KTM is great product and loyal customers so get your finger out and get the bikes at the dealers (they are probably pissed off too)!

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Post 1402 by AGRO!,

#1402
The baby ape!![/quote]

What ape do you have? Is this while I was away?

Post 1403 by shadowman,

#1403
Hey James My wife bought me a RS125 for my 57th Birthday

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Post 1405 by MADDOG53,

#1405
1. When and where will the new KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R be available for sale or order?
At the beginning of December the first models of the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R can be seen in showrooms of authorized European KTM dealers (in North America at the beginning of 2014). The KTM dealers offer professional advice on the new SUPER DUKE R and will take any orders.

2.What does the new SUPER DUKE R cost?
For your guidance: in Germany the SUPER DUKE R costs EUR 15.495 (including taxes). In other countries the SUPER DUKE R can vary in price due to national tax rates.

3. Is there an alternative to the series registration plate holder?
Yes, there is a short version of the registration plate holder available in the PowerParts product range (see Style Setup or picture above).

4. Is the Akrapovič exhaust of the prototype available as an accessory part?
The exhaust system of the prototype is an individual item that was designed only for show purposes. As a result of the incredibly loud sound and the applicable exhaust emission standards, this exhaust system cannot be applied on the production version. For clarification as to how loud it actually is: Initially the video of the prototype was supposed to be recorded on a race track – but there was no chance, as the volume is comparable to a starting jet fighter. In the end we tried our luck at a place where you can usually meet jet fighters and the airport luckily gave us approval for the video shoot of this Mattighofen made ‘Fighter Jet’.

5. Is there an alternative to the displayed series exhaust system?
The KTM PowerParts product range offers a street-legal Akrapovič slip-on axle back exhaust (see Style Setup or picture above), as well as an Akrapovič titanium exhaust system (only for racing use, see Race Setup). Equipped with these PowerParts peak performance and torque of the SUPER DUKE can be increased whilst reducing the weight at the same time.

6. Are the bicolour rims available in the PowerParts product range?
Yes, the orange rims with the “RACING” logo lettered in white are available as a PowerPart upgrade (street-legal, see Race Setup).

7. Are the setups available as package or individual part respectively?
The displayed setups of the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R are merely suggestions for individualization. All PowerParts are available as individual parts at your authorized KTM dealer. The dealers adapt the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R according to the displayed setup alternatives or according to individual customer specifications. At www.ktm.com you can find the entire PowerParts product range.

8. Why the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R isn´t equipped with a quick shifter?
Former tests with quick shifters revealed that the system is suboptimal for all riding conditions (race track/ country road/ city) and is incompatible with the components available today given the big performance and displacement two-cylinder engine concept. For the future model years KTM is working on a quick shifter that should be available as a PowerPart. We will first offer the quick shifter when it complies with our quality requirements and only when it enhances the overall riding experience.

9. When is the first service required?
The first service becomes due at 1000 km, afterwards every 15000 km or every year. To preserve the voluntary manufacturer´s warranty it´s necessary to have the annual service carried out by an authorized dealer.

10. What´s the top speed oft he KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R?
Homologated top speed: 290 km/h

11. Does the engine fit into a KTM RC8 R?
Basically, the engine would fit into the RC 8 R, however the engine is in no way adapted to components like the airbox, mechanic throttle valve body, exhaust system, etc. The effort of application would be tremendous.

12. Can the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R keep up with Superbikes?
On the road - yes. Thanks to the riding dynamic and the qualities of chassis, engine and electronic systems. Even on the race track the new 1290 SUPER DUKE R is fast - at test rides we drew level with Superbikes - with advantages on slower sections and a slight disadvantage in faster routes (as the aerodynamic disadvantage of the naked SD compared to any full-faired Superbike increase at high speed). But the riding enjoyment is incredible – no matter which road or track.

13. Is it possible to do a wheelie on the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R?
Even with activated traction control the front wheel can be lifted in a controlled manner. Depending on the chosen mode the front wheel will catch for safety reasons prior to the achievement of a certain degree of the wheelie. With traction control disabled wheelies are possible at any time – even up to 180 degree.

290kmh!!

Post 1406 by SuperHoon,

#1406
Now this just goe's to show the basic mentality of people on this site,,,,you see the "BEAST" video , and suddenly it's you in the saddle smokin the tyre down a deserted road with not a care in the world,,,yeah right,,,,slog on my friend, in rush hour traffic,,,could be you'll be like the many RC8 guy's that get it into third gear and slog around until "track day" where you can finaly use the full potential of your bike and use the thing up top at redline,,,,,,

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Post 1412 by MrZ32,

#1412
But I want my bike to be jet fighter loud! !!!!

Rc8 akra kit it is then. .. im sure it can fit.

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Post 1415 by Stratkat,

#1415
if we're looking at a straight EUR - USD conversion, that's almost $22,000usd. fook that lol. better be around 16k at the most

Post 1416 by shadowman,

#1416
Pissed in a mates pub car park having a wheelie contest on an automatic step through moped (yes they can wheelie)

Alan my mate (not the pub owner) got it about verticle, somehow swerved to one side and rode into the glass back door. The bike became wedged in the door frame aproximatly where the glass used to be and the rest of us declared him the clear winner.....

Other improbable bikes on which wheelies have featured include an xs1100, guzzy 500 and 400 superdream.

God I'm old!!

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Post 1419 by Stratkat,

#1419
Powerparts price list

KTM Item number Description GB Beschreibung DE
Retail Price Û
without VAT
60304937000 SWINGARM BOLT COVER SET SCHWINGARMBOLZEN-ABDECKUNGSSET 29,66
60312964044 HEATED GRIPS HEIZGRIFFSET 165,83
61002055060 CLUTCH RESERVOIR COVER KUPPLUNGSRESERVOIRDECKEL 21,17
61012932000 RADIAL ROADLOK RADIAL ROADLOK 254,15
60313909000 BRAKE FLUID RESERVOIR COVER BREMSFL†SSIGKEITSBEH€LTER-DECKEL 38,17
61302931044 CLUTCH LEVER (ARTICULATED/ADJUSTABLE) KUPPLUNGSHEBEL
(KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
60313950044 BRAKE LEVER (ARTICOULATED/ADJUSTABLE) BREMSHEBEL (KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
61303937044 ADJUSTABLE FOOTREST SYSTEM FUSSRASTENANLAGE VERSTELLBAR 415,65
61303945044 FRAME CRASH PROTECTOR RAHMENSTURZPAD-SET 150,00
61305979000 AKRAPOVIC SLIP-ON SILENCER AKRAPOVIC SLIP-ON ENDD€MPFER 665,83
61305984044 EXHAUST BRACKET ENDD€MPFERHALTER TBD
61305999000 AKRAPOVIC EVO EXHAUST AKRAPOVIC EVOLUTION KOMPLETTANLAGE 1.915,84
61307908000 RACING FUEL CAP TANKSCHNELLVERSCHLUSS 115,83
61307911000 TANK PAD TANKPAD 29,08
61307940000 ERGO SEAT ERGO SITZBANK 124,17
61307940044 PILLION SEAT COVER SOZIUSSITZABDECKUNG 125,00
61307947000 PILLION ERGO SEAT ERGO SOZIUSSITZBANK 83,33
61307947500 RACE SEAT RACE SEAT TBD
61308915000 LICENSE PLATE HOLDER SHORT KENNZEICHENTR€GER KURZ 125,00
61308908044 TOURING WINDSHIELD TOURING WINDSCHILD 99,92
61309960000 WAVE BRAKE DISC 320 MM BREMSSCHEIBE "WAVE" 320 MM 199,17
61311946044 SIDE STAND REMOVAL KIT SEITENST€NDER-DEMONTAGEKIT 16,91
61312905033 STEERING DAMPER KIT LENKUNGSD€MPFERKIT 296,65
61312925000 SIDE BAGS SEITENTASCHENSET 550,00
61312925044 SIDE BAG CARRIER SEITENTASCHENTR€GER 60,00
60312953000 ABS DONGLE ABS DONGLE 74,17
61312978000 REAR BAG SMALL HECKTASCHE KLEIN 91,58
61312992044 GPS BRACKET GRUNDTR€GER F†R GPS-HALTER 74,17
61313932044 BRAKE LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" BREMSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61313931044 CLUTCH LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" KUPPLUNGSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61329955000 SINGLE ARM STAND HINTERRAD-HEBEVORRICHTUNG EINARMSCHWINGE 140,00
62010965118 CHAIN BLACK SCALE 525 KETTE 525 "BLACK SCALE" 127,42
69013962000 REAR BRAKE RESERVOIR CAP FUSSBREMSZYLINDER-DECKEL 25,42
69130986044 CARBON CLUTCH COVER PROTECTION KARBON-KUPPLUNGSDECKELSCHUTZ 109,65
69330985044 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-GENERATORDECKELSCHUTZ 114,67
6130199904404 TRIPPLE CLAMP "RACE" GABELBR†CKE "RACE" 415,83
6130495000049 CARBON SPLASH PROTECTION AND CHAINGUARD KARBON-SPRITZ- UND KETTENSCHUTZ 332,50
6130591100049 CARBON EXHAUST COVER KARBON-AUSPUFFABDECKUNGSSET 124,16
6130795800049 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-Z†NDSCHLOSSABDECKUNG 165,83
6130891000049 CARBON FENDER FRONT KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE (VORDERTEIL) 220,00
6900811000049 CARBON FRONT FENDER KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE 220,91
6903006000049 CARBON FRONT CHAINGUARD KARBON-KETTENRITZELABDECKUNG 84,92
61308999000 GRAPHICS KIT "RACING" GRAFIKKIT "RACING" 132,50
61309999000 RIM STICKER SET FELGENRINGAUFKLEBER-SET 24,92
60112035000 ALARM SYSTEM ALARMANLAGE 254,15
61312928000 REAR BAG BIG HECKTASCHE GROSS 133,25


Race Bike like ridden in Ascari Circuit Dunlop KR108 Ntec Slicks
192 HORSEPOWER, MINUS SIX KG!

Retail Price Û without VAT
61302931044 CLUTCH LEVER (ARTICULATED/ADJUSTABLE) KUPPLUNGSHEBEL
(KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
60313950044 BRAKE LEVER (ARTICOULATED/ADJUSTABLE) BREMSHEBEL (KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
61303937044 ADJUSTABLE FOOTREST SYSTEM FUSSRASTENANLAGE VERSTELLBAR 415,65
61312905033 STEERING DAMPER KIT LENKUNGSD€MPFERKIT 296,65
61303945044 FRAME CRASH PROTECTOR RAHMENSTURZPAD-SET 150,00
61305999000 AKRAPOVIC EVO EXHAUST AKRAPOVIC EVOLUTION KOMPLETTANLAGE 1.915,84
61307908000 RACING FUEL CAP TANKSCHNELLVERSCHLUSS 115,83
60312953000 ABS DONGLE ABS DONGLE 74,17
61313932044 BRAKE LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" BREMSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61313931044 CLUTCH LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" KUPPLUNGSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
69130986044 CARBON CLUTCH COVER PROTECTION KARBON-KUPPLUNGSDECKELSCHUTZ 109,65
69330985044 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-GENERATORDECKELSCHUTZ 114,67
6130199904404 TRIPPLE CLAMP "RACE" GABELBR†CKE "RACE" 415,83
6130495000049 CARBON SPLASH PROTECTION AND CHAINGUARD KARBON-SPRITZ- UND KETTENSCHUTZ 332,50
6130591100049 CARBON EXHAUST COVER KARBON-AUSPUFFABDECKUNGSSET 124,16
6130891000049 CARBON FENDER FRONT KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE (VORDERTEIL) 220,00
6900811000049 CARBON FRONT FENDER KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE 220,91
6903006000049 CARBON FRONT CHAINGUARD KARBON-KETTENRITZELABDECKUNG 84,92
61308999000 GRAPHICS KIT "RACING" GRAFIKKIT "RACING" 132,50
61309999000 RIM STICKER SET FELGENRINGAUFKLEBER-SET 24,92



WP SUSPENSION (PRICE WITHOUT VAT)
FORK INTERNALS CLOSE CARTRIDGE: 1500 Û
WP RACE SHOCK: 1200 Û

Post 1420 by Lowrance,

#1420
I like in the FAQ their answer to 'are the bicolour rims available' they say 'yes the orange wheels with racing stickers are available'. I don't think they understood the question lol.

Ugh, that Akra EVO is gonna be 2500 US.

Gimme the exhaust, race triples, solo tail, and frame/axle sliders and I'm set. Someone else will make a much cheaper fender eliminator.

Post 1421 by AGRO!,

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Post 1422 by Stratkat,

#1422
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Post 1423 by scamb66,

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Post 1424 by BassAgent,

#1424
Just think if they kept those clocks smaller it might have cracked 300!

Post 1425 by fewtrees,

#1425
I'd like to be able to dial in the max wheelie angle so I can twist the throttle to 100% and it won't loop itself and I can look like a mad stunta.

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Post 1427 by ktmguy,

#1427
Those Akra cans being offered are fooking ugly! nothing can make them look good period. Hope FMF comes up with something good like they did the 2nd Gen SD. Also hope someone makes an under-subframe plate holder. Thank God they have those sexy wheels on the plate

Post 1428 by sunnbmx,

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Post 1429 by Lowrance,

#1429
Euro no tax, GBP no tax, GBP with tax.

GBP is worth about 1.6 USD just now. www.xe.com for exact rate.

Post 1430 by Lowrance,

#1430
In other words, expensive as fook lol

Post 1431 by johnpav,

#1431
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Post 1433 by Lowrance,

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Post 1434 by MrZ32,

#1434
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Post 1435 by Ruprecht,

#1435
I wonder if KTM's collaboration with Bosch for the MTC will be restrictive when it comes to updates, mods etc.
The Aprilia APRC was developed entirely "in house" as I understand.

Post 1436 by AGRO!,

#1436
Hey Mrz I have been thinking of this idea for a long time wheelie control not just on the new SD.
But as a ad on to any bike but I think the bike would have to be fly by wire or maybe set to the rev limiter.

Post 1437 by Jody,

#1437
I tried the v 4 too homo when they first came out, The wheelie control was fooking awful, lift the front a little way and then all of a sudden, cuts out, wheel slams to the floor, nuts slam into the tank

Post 1438 by Lowrance,

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Post 1439 by scamb66,

#1439
Image

Got to have a sit on one today the Perth Motorcycle and scooter show, heart was racing and got a little bit of a chubby.
First impressions were good, orange is a nice shade (still ordered a black one but it got me thinking) little shorter than a old skool SD, I can flat foot it with both feet (tip toes on both normally), seat is comfier than an SDR but not as good as a twin seat SD (livable) ergo's suit me well , not a lot of difference to the old model.
Price appears to be A$25 000 on road.
All in all I am really happy with the decision to order one and now cant wait for March. You lucky bastards that get a December delivery.

Post 1440 by AGRO!,

#1440
Where are your black and red boots

Post 1441 by AGRO!,

#1441
I reckon the insurance companies are going to have a field day with this bike

Post 1442 by scamb66,

#1442
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Post 1443 by smackman,

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Post 1444 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1445 by scamb66,

#1445
Actually smaller than it looks. Same size as the current SD really. Build quality looks solid.
Got a little starry eyed and excited and didnt really take in the detail like I should have.
Demos are doing the rounds here in Perth for a week and then going to the next show (Brisbane?)
As for delivery they are saying Feb but think it will be more like March.

Walked past Charlie Borman having a chat with a couple of guys. Fat and happy as you would be.

Post 1446 by stalker,

#1446
well done scamb

but i gotta ask . . . .. is it the camera lens making your forehead look that big ?

Post 1447 by 41KS,

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Post 1449 by Lowrance,

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Post 1451 by AGRO!,

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Post 1452 by scamb66,

#1452
When you think about it its up in the price range of a ducati street fighter.
The price of a Ducati is the reason I will not buy a Ducati.

Post 1453 by MrZ32,

#1453
'Made in India' ok for the 125/200/290 commuters not so keen to see it on the 1290.

This gonna start another rift like the pre/post 07 models?

Post 1454 by Ruprecht,

#1454
I know I will not buy an indian made bike. .. I will however buy one of the austrian ones. Screw the cost, india's metallurgy is even worse than china's... and that stuff is crap.

Post 1455 by fatbob,

#1455
Has KTM officially said anything about moving the production of larger models to India though?

Post 1456 by Jody,

#1456
Talking of price. £14k is a bit too high, and in 2010 the price of the 990 went from about £8,500 up to about £10,200, and with a combination of that not so desirable
colour scheme, (white frame and camo paint), not many sold. I cant remember seeing more than one of those since they came out.I think they will sell a few 1290's but think the price will drop down after the first year, and depreciation is a big factor. I cant wait to see it in the flesh at my local dealer though

Post 1457 by gringo,

#1457
Talking of residual values , I took my 1190 to my dealers for its 600 mile service , Ive had it 4 weeks and with heated grips and the akra I paid £14005 to the penny.
So that 4 wks and 600 miles.............They offered me around 10K for it!!!!!!!!!!!!! needless to say I am certain the 1290 will loose money like fook considering Ive lost a grand a week so far ( admittedly some of it is VAT but fook me with a shitty stick) , I'm gonna keep the fooker for a while yet , besides I had a right laugh in the pissing rain on a muddy lane this weekend on it , so looks like I am waiting till March next year when I have saved a bit......
Unless the resale value issue doesn't go away of course

Post 1458 by prikkie,

#1458
This should be my bike look like

Post 1459 by Ruprecht,

#1459
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Post 1460 by Lowrance,

#1460
Can't wait to ride them all!

Post 1461 by MrZ32,

#1461
So far the only new real naked bikes are the 1290, monster and z1000... The bmw and tuono are not naked bikes, they are de tuned sports bikes missing some panels... They may be quick but if I wanted a bike like that I would buy one of the full fat sport bikes that has been low sided already

Post 1462 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1463 by Lowrance,

#1463
Yamaha will be releasing a litre class version of their triple....it'sjust a matter of when.

The info on the Monster makes special mention of a metal tank...you'd think the other euro manufacturers would get wise and follow suit.

Crotch, what was your S1000RR's tank made from, steel or plastic?

Post 1464 by Lowrance,

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Post 1466 by Lowrance,

#1466
Just got a call from the dealer asking if I wanted the black or orange.. I went with black. Wish I could of seen them both in the flesh first.

Post 1467 by SuperHoon,

#1467
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Post 1468 by BassAgent,

#1468
Sydney and the dealer is ProCycles. This bike can't come quick enough, I just hope the black looks as good in person as the pics.

Post 1469 by SuperHoon,

#1469
wonder what the last special is?

when do we find out who wins the bikes?

Post 1470 by chip,

#1470
I hope Nerd and Dribble win bikes. Lord knows they need something happy in their lives

Post 1471 by fuel,

#1471


new video

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Post 1477 by fuel,

#1477
I'd like to say that the tuono and the BMW look like shed bikes,something that's left from a crashed bike made into a naked!Dont get me wrong I had made a few my self and they were awesome but that's not what I want a factory to offer me.The SD are is the most original naked bike ever built from a factory!

Post 1478 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1479 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 1480 by Crotchrockety,

#1480
Apparently the s1000r has optional semi-active suspension, which I think is unique for the class.
Besides that, detuned to 158hp, 2000rpm lower rev limit and the same peak torque but 7ft lbs more in most of the rev range. Basically the same weight as the S1000RR too.

Post 1481 by Lowrance,

#1481
Giving up 35bhp for a mere 7lb/ft of torque does not seem like a fair trade.

Road or rain modes??? There must be an SP version coming along, that's the only logical reason BMW would've, should've neutered this bike so badly (unless they are understating the numbers for insurance purposes).

Sorry....HP version.

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Post 1483 by fatbob,

#1483
the naked ZX10R could be a real dark horse i reckon.
Superstock is almost the Kawasaki cup nowadays........really fast bike too.
Think the 1290 could well be the slowest bike at this rate

Post 1484 by BassAgent,

#1484
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Post 1486 by MrZ32,

#1486
Why is ktm always so crap on the delivery side of things.

Btw... checked out the mt09 today. .. fantastic looking bike but suspension is so crap its not funny

Post 1487 by Crotchrockety,

#1487
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Post 1499 by Ruprecht,

#1499
Saw that. I'm here in Aus at the moment and bought the issue. Good read but a little baffeled by the 0-100KPH time of 3.9 seconds. That's slower than my current 990 SD. Must be that damn MTC kicking in.

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Post 1501 by MrZ32,

#1501
A 10.9 1/4 mile? Shouldn't it be low 10's or high 9s?

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Post 1513 by BassAgent,

#1513
Which video are you referring to?

Post 1514 by Lowrance,

#1514
Last post on page 70.

Reuperts original post is a few above that. The video link isin the text of the write up.

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Post 1517 by Davo-Singapore,

#1517
Clutch PASC™ anti-hopping clutch/ hydraulically operated..... sorry if I've missed this if its been covered here before. What do we know about the slipper? Wonder why they've dropped Suter.. Have I missed something? Hey ho.

Post 1518 by ktmguy,

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Post 1520 by ktmguy,

#1520
Anyhow, I think KTM should get their finger out and get it in the showroom if they want to sell bikes not only to KTM afficionados but to other people too.
So far since the launch there has been the BMW naked, now the monster 1200 and the kwak...
I guess in the ADV market BMW is selling as there are no ADV1190 available in Aus or the states.
The Duke 390, availability to be advised...(no one knows)
Beats me what the marketing strategy is but in my opinion it's a bad one!
Strictly my opinion but I won't buy a bike that I haven't seen and I don't consider being KTM's or the local dealers bank by putting a deposit down for no one knows how many months.

SO KTM GET IT IN THE SHOWROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post 1521 by fatbob,

#1521
[quoteI like the wholly mechanical slipper though and wonder if the confidence would be there to chug down the gears flying into T1, 4 and 9 at Sepang with my eyeballs popping out of my visor and a brownish stain in my leathers relying on an electronically activated, hydraulically actuated clutch....][/quote]

I take it that the brown stain is from the 98% humidity up there, better you than me.

Post 1522 by shadowman,

#1522
Its not a proper slipper , its nothing like , still does the job and doesn't lock the bike up ( well on my ADV anyway and its the same description), dont expect it to be anything like an Suter

Post 1523 by Blackduke77,

#1523
For those in the UK Bike magazine in the UK has the 1290 on the front cover...

Twice as much torque as a Speed Tripple, more power than a Fireblade and weighs less than an ER-6N. I'm thinking they are going to like it......

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Post 1525 by Ducati Pete,

#1525
Perhaps a misunderstanding on my part, but I believe I read that the TC has no adjustability - does anyone know if this is accurate?

EDIT: Nevermind, here it is - http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2014-kt ... -smileage/

"Traction Control is included, however there are no variables available to the rider; the TC is either on or off. I never felt the TC kick in, however on track at Ascari, the rear end would push out slightly on slow corner exits and yet it never got out of control. I assume that was the TC doing its thing, very unobtrusively."

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Post 1527 by SuperHoon,

#1527
Quite an impressive price tag, compared to 1290 Listen 0:36 - under 10 grands (...and I don't know is it friday evening or what, but take a peek at the 0:59 mark )

Post 1528 by AGRO!,

#1528
If the 1290 has twice the torque as a Speed Triple you might need to set a side at least $4000 just for back tyres every year.

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Post 1531 by Ducati Pete,

#1531
Just come back from the Milan bike show (and a Ducati factory/museum trip on Thursday) the new super duke was the star of the show, I've been a bit unsure about its' looks in photos but in the flesh it looks luverly, they had several on the stand, a race kitted bike on slicks which looked really aggressive, and one kitted out with all the touring kit.
How long until they drop the price to 10k so I can afford one?

Post 1532 by Lowrance,

#1532
Here's what I'd like my bike to look like in it's final form. I'm not happy with the released Akro pipes so pretty sure I'll wait for someone else to make a slashcut / shorty / underslung exhaust before changing the factory exhaust.

Image

Post 1533 by MrZ32,

#1533
Jemook,

That's a nice looking bike.The only thing I'd change is the orange mask around the headlight.I think the bike would look better in standard black.
Also,I really like the Akrapovic Evo system KTM are offering and would stick it on your ideal set up.
It's difficult to justify the expense of another set of wheels just to make the bike look good.As far as I know the orange wheels are the same spec as standard.
I'm actually torn between the looks of the bike you show here and the Race Spec orange bikes at the launch in terms of maximum visual,aural and performance appeal.
I'm a little disappointed that the new Superduke has lost the agility of the 990 and wonder if the WP race shock and fork cartridges would get us something more like the instant responses of the 990.Apparently, the race shock raises the rear end like the shock fitted to the previous SDR to increase the immediacy of turn in.I really liked the sharp handling of the 990 SDR.

Post 1534 by Ruprecht,

#1534
If you want the bike to turn silly fast, you'll have the option to pull the forks up through the yolks by 5 or 10 mm.

I'd be quite happy to have a bit more stability myself.

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Post 1538 by chip,

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Post 1539 by fatbob,

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Peter Stevens Morphet Vale closed down, so Coast next door picked up KTM. I went with Moto Adelaide as I'm sure they will do a better deal than Kessner will while Roger the $$$ Nazi is in charge

Post 1540 by Ruprecht,

#1540
A lot of comments that the 1290 is not hardcore enough, maybe KTM should have had a couple of journos killed on the launch, I know that would make me want to buy one.

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Post 1544 by gringo,

#1544
Looks more like a dark grey, easily established against the black bodywork. I think it's much nicer than the normal metal grey color.

Post 1545 by gringo,

#1545
well all i can say is that the bike is that good i went to the feria in Valencia twice to see it, once saturday then again sunday, very well put together, looks great in the flesh, i think the finishing is top level, nice details everywhere you look, some not so nice also but in general top marks, for me it would be a A-

sat on it also, very good neutral posistion, level of clocks just right, bars nice, balls not too far in the tank. sat on it and the bike just screams take me and give me all you have got!!!! felt like i should grab the key and wheelie out of the feria and off into the mountains for some lust on the bends.

did not think much to the control set up for the modes etc, could have gone for a simple couple of switches or none at all jajajajjajaa.
messing around with them looks like they could stick or not work after a few rides in wet weather or a few washing.

cheap looking sprung to mind regrds the mode buttons but the rest of the bike very good.

if only the price was not set so high, 15,479.00 euros, dealer has lowered to 14,500.00 but if he wont go down to to say 13,900.00 then i shall be getting something else untill the price drops.

my last two purchases have been off the mark, had the 08 sd for two years, then the rc8 for two years then last september a new sm990r which i stupidly changed for a vfr1200 in may and that was a mistake, good bike but not for me, the vfr went las friday at a cheap price and now for the first time in my 25 years of bikieng i have no bike!!!

Post 1546 by 41KS,

#1546
latest fro the dealer, 14,200.00 euros and i think thats his final price........

likely to be be end of this month or december delivery, not sure what to do.

would get an orange one as it looked very good alhough im sure the black one is also good looking.

the fine details are very well thougt out. i think i may get one and just man up jajajaja

Post 1547 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1550 by gringo,

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*Second... Although you might well have got the first order in for black - I only confirmed colour choice a week ago. Sorry!

More than 7 sleeps just depresses me so I try not to count.

Edit - Reading comprehension may have failed me - do you mean you've ordered the third out of the December batch, or one of the first of the March batch?

Post 1552 by gringo,

#1552
Some walk arounds of the accessorised 1290 Super Dukes from EICMA.





Post 1553 by gringo,

#1553
The more I see it the more I like it

Even the standard exhaust doesn't look too bad to me.

In a few years time I can see a nicely modified version sitting on my drive.....

Post 1554 by gringo,

#1554
Just got to the UK today and picked up the new copies of PB, FB and B....all three have write ups on the 1290. PB's take on the bike reads pretty well but still highlighted issues I've mentioned in previous posts (TC/Anti-wheelie control, etc).

Forgot how good these rags are (PB was my favorite back in the day). New journos in PB but the content and photos are still so much better than the shit rags we have in the states.

Can't wait to read the other two. Especially looking forward to FBs opinion. They've got the 2014 Tuono impressions in the same edition.

Post 1555 by Ruprecht,

#1555
You forgot to pick up Motorcycle Sport and Leisure .

Post 1556 by enigma990,

#1556
well i am down to the superduke and the tuono V4, 2200 euros difference between the two, want to make my mind up this week, not sure which way to go although my heart says ktm.

Post 1557 by Lowrance,

#1557
Fast Bikes review puts it very well IMO,

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Post 1559 by shadowman,

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There we have it then.

If you find the bike is unable to pull and sustain a 110 MPH wheelie its clearly more to do with you being a tallentless pussy than any deficiency in the machine

He is good isn't he!!

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Post 1562 by SuperHoon,

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Still thinking about EVO 4 from a RC8
But what about the ground clearance........
Dimensions of the engine are the same as a RC8.
It could fit!

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Post 1564 by Ruprecht,

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yeah once these bikes are out for a little while i reckon there will be plenty of options. loud options.

those wheelies make me smile.

Post 1565 by MrZ32,

#1565
God I wish they'd just start selling them already.!!!!!
This thread is so fn boring anymore with all the
speculation and I wishes...

Post 1566 by gringo,

#1566
Dealer Launch from Sweden (It's mostly in English. A little quiet though).





Probably the most interesting point for me was at about 9:00 into the second video. They are discussing the power parts and McWilliams mentions that he helped develop a more direct throttle response as part of the map to work with the Akra pipe.

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Post 1568 by Ruprecht,

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today is the day i have to decide do i buy or not, last price is €14,200.00

orange would be the color and delivery end of month but i think more likely december?

the only thing holding me back is the price..................

Post 1569 by SDNerd,

#1569
I think as best price
Ask to my delaer best price as €14800
Your discount as €1460
Think as ok

Post 1570 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1570
Fast Bikes does Ascari...



Motorcycle.com Review

Post 1571 by Lowrance,

#1571
While I don't put a lot of stock into the audio quality of these videos, the thing sounds like ninja 650 (parallel twin) to me ...

Post 1572 by Ruprecht,

#1572
Jeremy McWilliams riding Ascari with KTM 1290 Super Duke R track bike.

Man that looks insane fun and it wheelies like a mofo Want one so bad




edit: Just seen Ruprecht posted this on the last page. Damn you Ruprecht and your posting whoring efficiency!

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Post 1574 by Ducati Pete,

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I feel that I must echo some of the opinions voiced here and confess to being a little disappointed in the initial write-ups which suggest the bike has been made too user friendly-------I have read several reviews now and get a feeling that the testers have been slightly underwhelmed.
I bought my previous super duke, super duke r and rc8r because they were a bit leftfield and offered exactly the involvement I wanted and while they were all bought without a test ride, I don't think that will apply to the new 1290.
I also don't follow the logic of softening the power delivery of what should be an outstanding engine for purposes of usability and then fit as standard a supermoto setting in the abs .
I wonder if ktm's attempt to woo a wider group of riders means that the hooligan element that appealed to the original ktm customer is now a thing of the past.

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Post 1577 by Megatron09,

#1577
Just can't wait to get mine! It's gonna be good! No test ride, just get it n go!

Post 1578 by shadowman,

#1578
Little surprised by your post Bic.

I also had many of the old bikes you mention and also spent ages in the garage bolting all manner of stuff to them in often ill fated attempts ti overcome their deficiencies. Nostalgia is a funny thing, we easily remember the empowering aspects of simplicity while forgetting its limitations.

What your post doesn't mention is that by modern standards most of those bikes were crap! Don't believe me? Go ride one now. Without exception every 70's / early 80's throw back I have chucked a leg over has surprised me with how bad the ride is. Skinny tyres, poor suspension, awful brakes etc etc. Not one has ever lived up to my rose tinted memories from years gone by.

I'm certainly not arguing that more is always better - it isn't. Less can be more - that also is true. These facts in no way invalidate the bigger point which is that better is better - it just is. Full stop.

I for one am very grateful for the must have consumer impulse fitted to so many. It's their spending that provides the resource to employ for example talented product and industrial designers who help deliver the aesthetic and functional improvements we all get to enjoy. This very impulse (to have the latest thing) will deliver a modded 1290 into my garage for half tbe new sale price in a couple of year's time.

Do I want 67 stage programmable TC - no. Do I want faster, lighter, better stopping, nicer looking bikes - yes please.

The current SD is itself a development of earlier inovation - we are all standing on the shoulders of giants in so many ways.

So I have to disagree with the thrust if your argument. If you want a piece of mechanical plasticine that allows you demonstrate your spanner twirling brilliance as you seek to mitigate its many shortciming then a 70's bike is perfect. If on the other hand you want to jump on and spank it on a ride to see your employment lawyers in Oxford out accelerating, out braking and being generally outrageous with a fair chance of getting there and back then something more recent like you SD is the better choice by far!!!

Now go watch that McWilliams video again and if it doesn't make you smile then perhaps you are truely lost to the brat pack style over substance scene. I hope not as I enjoy your posts here.

Post 1579 by chip,

#1579
Just one Orange example. Static display failed to live up to the marketing hype for me.

Post 1580 by 41KS,

#1580
Fancy KTM building a bike that has butter smooth fuelling and suspension that doesn't want to throw you into a hedge every time you hit a bump, KTM has sold out, shame on you KTM.

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Post 1582 by Ruprecht,

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My father-in-law likes to provoke me by saying "there hasn't been a decent bike built after 1955".
To try to put that into perspective I probably take Shadowman's view that this statement means brakes that didn't work, lights that didn't work, seals that didn't work and basically engines that didn't work for half the time. That said, there was plenty of time for tinkering with the bike - indeed whole life-times to be spent learning the black magic art of tuning for performance and attempting to get get points Etc working correctly for extended periods. Shadowman is correct in saying that the old bikes we reminisce about were shite. In contrast, the bikes produced since the Japanese taught us about technology are well designed, ridable, reliable, powerful blah, blah, blah...

To me the great advances that make say the 2005+ SD so good are Electrics (Lights, Starting Etc), Fuel Injection (Power and Tuning), Frame and Suspension (Handling), Brakes and finally materials technology. In this package there was nothing too complex other than Fuel Injection. Personally, I don't find Fuel Injection too daunting because I understand the concept of a computer program looping in circles saying "how fast am I going, do I need to add more fuel, do I need to advance ignition Etc". Simple really but I have always felt a little nervous about the fact that every bike uses a different set of sensors and a different program for each bike. Why oh why? couldn't some standard have evolved so that they'd all be the same (yes I know about Magetti-Marelli Etc).

It seems to me that what Bic is on about is that he has realised that we are at the cross-roads in his life's journey with motor bikes. He has suddenly realised what the future holds. The future is high tech and most of us can't keep up with the technology. As such we move from tinkerers to simple consumers. The future is a place where the average punter has no fooking clue about how the bike works and how to make it better. Some punters will like this and merrily spend their time on bling rather than function.

There is no doubt the bikes will be better. The issue is whether some of us will miss the fact that we could apply a spanner. In the past I've known lots of good mechanics that had pet aversions - some didn't like electrics, some didn't like gearboxes, some didn't like suspension Etc. Ultimately, the world seemed to level out with specialists that would advise on topic such as suspension for example. Until now, that advice seemed understandable (new cartridge in the suspension Etc) and we just paid an expert do it. A major problem with the new world is that most of us don't understand electronic control systems - it scares us and we'd rather keep things simple. In reality all this stuff is pretty simple (ask Bert) it's just more sensors feeding more programs. The only smart bit is getting control systems to integrate (do their stuff properly with respect to other systems). From a riders perspective having the ability to just turn it all off is probably a good thing if it's not doing what one wants. If on the other hand it is "almost" perfect then the tinkering will have to be at a very high level. I doubt that most of the control systems will be accessible via programs like TuneECU. Personally, I'd love to tinker with traction control Etc but I suspect the box will have a label the reads "Caution: Modifying the contents could cause death". Such is life.

I wonder what control systems are used on the KTM race bikes.

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Post 1584 by 41KS,

#1584
There's nothing to stop Bic making the new superduke matt black all over and riding it slowly.

Again, this bike can do everything.

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Post 1586 by Ruprecht,

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This place has got deep. Leave it to bic to pen the profound. Now we will watch the go crowd in defence mode. My tinkering will be limited to a past but never limited. I have to admit I am slowly being brought around to the newer faster better bike. The price tag is at a point that the new playground seem too guilty for my psyche to play in. Anyway this group around this thread all express themselves well and have valid insightful thoughts.
power wheelies in fourth gear sure add to the tempt.

Post 1587 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1587
Everyone's got an opinion and is entitled to it. All I know is we can't deny that whoever gets to take one of these home will be smiling ear to ear leaving the dealership. I know I will be.

Post 1588 by Lowrance,

#1588
for those of us concerned about what seems to be the electronic neutering of the 1290 motor here is a quote from performance bike magazine's journo who has just completed some laps on a standard s1000rr and marco melandri's wsb - "Thats the wonder of electronics for you - BMW's torque control system makes a 225 bhp WSB engine seem almost a disappointment when compared to a 190 bhp road bike."

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Post 1592 by Ruprecht,

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If another manufacturer is/starts using this Keihin system then maybe we'll get a TuneECU for the 1290. If we get that I don't see a downside. Shit moves on, it always has. You're starting to sound like my grandad Bic

Post 1593 by DribbleDuke,

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Recon this will be my face the first time I hop on the 1290 and start it !

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Post 1597 by DribbleDuke,

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I venture to guess that you need something in place for that something to fail. KTM failed to deliver fueling that did not require "fixes" and BMW failed to deliver fueling that did not need fixing and then could not create the fix themselves. I have not ridden a fuel injected bike that fueled properly. Not one. I am certain that the day is just around the corner that a manufacturer will get it right. I am also sure that it getting it right I will understand less about it than the VERY limited understanding I have now. The thrill of tyre screeching power is hard to depress in my wants of a motorcycle and therefore the big numbers in regards to Newton and Horses are tough to squelch my enthusiasm. There have been a countable number of times that I have exited a turn and applied that perfect amount of throttle that allowed rear wheel turning. It is at this same time that the pucker instinct kicks in and it is a fight between survival instincts and confidence in my environment being stable that I am presented with. This is nirvana. The same can be said for back torque limiting rear wheel traction while there is little gription left at the back wheel in turn entry. Once again setting the rear end on a slightly different course than the front and also setting my comfort level on edge. The same reason I did not install a back torque limiter in the clutch assembly is pretty much the reason that it is hard for me to get excited about the traction control on the acceleration side. After all the slipper is traction control in mechanical wizardry.
I do not deny that the beauty in technology creates better preparedness in beating the environment at hand. My laughs inside my helmet exist from me beating the environment first hand. Loose the rear and tuck the front, its the world of single track, it also gets the heartbeat allfuckedup.

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Post 1599 by BassAgent,

#1599
Took a couple of pics at the motor show.. I was a bit disappointed they didn't have the black one, would have been nice to compare. The 1290r Looks really edgy and futuristic in person, definitely the coolest bike at the show.

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Post 1600 by fatbob,

#1600
I actually like the orange one. since im keeping my SDR, i dont want two black bikes lol

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Post 1604 by AGRO!,

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Oh dear. Sory for all the trouble I've caused with my post. I was a bit drunk.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to offend or criticise anyone for their views and certainly not having a go at the new 1290 as I'm as excited about it as everyone else. I've even been debating the merits of getting one - which was why I was sitting in the garage thinking about all this stuff.

My point was not to have a go at the advancement of motorbikes over the years. My SD is a far better bike than my previous 900 Ducati which was fragile and expensive to run. And that in turn was a better bike than the 80's vintage IL4s which didn't handle or stop very well. And they were infinitely better bikes than the '70s two strokes that I learned on. So I've no doubt that if I had a go on the new SD then I'd appreciate how much better it is - more power, torque etc, (although I doubt it handles or stops any better than my current bike) And of course, like Pete says I would probably ride it around no faster anyway as I am too old and can scare myself enough already with what I have thank you very much .

What I was trying to say was that I was pondering whether the new generation of bikes like the 1290 will be sitting in the garages of bike enthusiasts in the future, cherished icons of motorcycling development. Not in two or five years but in 20 years time. Will these bikes with ECU's and ABS and traction control and anti-wheelie and fly-by-wire be capable of surviving and being economically maintained by your average biker in 2030? And, of course, you're right. Electronics and electrics and sealed black boxes have always been out of my comfort zone and therefor I am adverse to them although I appreciate what they offer and to their advantages - when they work. It's just when they stop working that I have a problem because no one seems to be able to fix them. The BMW analogy above is exactly what I'm talking about.

Another example is camera development. I have a lot of friends, some professionals who still rave about the old SLR cameras. They cherish their Pentax and Cannon bodies with their prized collection of lenses and filters. There's something entirely reassuring about the solid mechanisms and construction of these cameras. Even when the digital revolution more or less relegated these cameras to the bin true enthusiasts refused to give up on them, now choosing to retro fit digital backs and stuff onto them and keep them operational. I don't think many of them are as passionate about the new cameras - and they certainly don't revere the first and second generation of digital replacements. When they stopped working they were just binned. Manufacturers are increasingly making cameras that are not designed to last for long, the insides are sealed units and have less and less ability to be viably or economically repaired. I, myself have at least four compact cameras and at least five mobile phones sitting in drawers. All of them have intermittent problems or issues that make them unusable but non of them are repairable and non of them will ever function as a useful tool again.

I was just thinking that it would be sad if this was the way motorcycle evolution was going. I'm not an old stick-in-the-mud luddite. I'm a product designer by trade and an innovator at heart! but I'd like to think that people could be appreciating these bikes in years to come and if the obsession with electronic sophistication to manage ginormous power and make it manageable for the average person to use is what is needed then fine - just make it so that it lasts or can be easily upgraded so that the mechanical parts wont be forced into an early grave.

And of course I also think about the cost. At £14,000 this bike is more than double the price I paid for mine in 2007. Not sure if anything can justify this. If I was interested then I will definitely be one of those waiting for all the first buyers to take the financial hit, do the sensible mods, fit the best bling and then get bored and sell on.

That is all.

Post 1605 by Ruprecht,

#1605
I understand where you are heading with that Bic and would normally be inclined to agree but looking back on my 06 SD it is the only bike that I have spent time and money on modifying thanks to the forum.
Like a lot of guys here I am now technical slouch and find fault finding, maintenance and even rebuilds etc none too worry some, even the electrical side is something I generally have a stab at.
Now when it come to re-mapping ECU and assorted black (box) magic it would have been something that I would not really attempted but with the collective minds on this forum it made it easy.
To think when the bike first came out 8 years ago that we would all playing around with it to this extent would not have been thought possible.
So with that in mind in a year or three some smart bugger on the forum here would have a lot of this sussed out and it will all be too easy.
Failing that in 20 years time just loop out the failing sensors, rip the throttle bodies off and fit a good old fashion carby............screw traction control.

Post 1606 by AGRO!,

#1606
Good one Bic! After reading your first post I decided to cancel my order on the 1290 and now I read this
Dont worry mate I didn't really order the new SD Im thinking more of old tech bikes as well.

Post 1607 by gringo,

#1607
I couldn't say if the 1290 SDR is going to become a cult classic.
I've got a couple of "the one that got away" stories to attest to my lack of prophetic vision in that regard (a pair of RZ500s, one wreck and one just needing an engine rebuild, which I could have taken for $500 in the early 90s is still a sore point).
I do remember people saying similar things about mass production and the "Jap Crap" of the 70s-80s though. You'd be hard pushed to dispute that those Kawasaki 2-stroke triples, RZs, Katanas, turbo bikes and humble SR400s are all classics now.
The electronics issue is a bit different to mass production of course, but a large part of the highly disposable nature of consumer electronics is the dramatic decreases in price and the exponential increases in performance. A matter of degree.
Imagine if bikes doubled in performance every two years (Moore's law)?
I don't think the increased incorporation of electronics will take bikes that far, and it certainly hasn't made them cheaper.
Motorcycle design tends to be very conservative anyway, I don't think the shift to EFI would have happened when it did if not for emissions requirements.
Electronics might be a different skill set, but even there people still find ways to keep old equipment running or to run old software on new hardware. Even to the point of nostalgia and collection.

Not that I think it's all sunshine and roses.
It's true that more complexity means more to go wrong, and that the engineering "black box" scenario (where you see and understand the inputs and outputs, but the exact process is opaque) makes it especially hard to diagnose faults which are intermittent and/or depend on very specific situations.
Some advances are more interesting to me than others as well. ABS and traction control might make things safer and easier, but active suspension offers something new and unrelated to rider skill levels.

Maybe it's because I was one of very few kids of my generation to have always had a computer at home (and no TV!), or because I work in IT, but I don't think electronics spells the end of bike collections or the beginning of disposable motorcycles.
Maybe I'll be more conservative and pessimistic when it comes to actual electric bikes. ("You'll have to take my internal combustion engine from my cold dead hands!" )

Post 1608 by Ruprecht,

#1608
I used to own a RG500 I bought it brand new back in 85 for $5000 when I sold it I got $4800.
The dude who bought it said he would have given me what I paid for it as it was in show room condition.
I want it back

Post 1609 by gringo,

#1609
first and foremost i understand the comments from Bic and respect the opinion, there is a place for evrything and everyone and at the end of it all we all like bikes. i can remember many weekends with my AR125 kwak in bits and me trying to put it all back in the correct order, these days i left with nothing much more than basic maintenance buit thats fine for me.

anyway back on track, i have now made the jump and dewly left my €1000 deposit for an orange sd! have to say that now i am excited about geting it but also somewhat aprehensive as for me its a lot of money for a naked a bike and also if i turn off the electronics i shall be paying extra for something i do not want and that is also annoying.

would hate to have paid money and then not like it or not be as impressed as i was during my two years with the sd from 2008!

on hindsight i should have also hung on with my rc8 until this day came, but i sold for a smr990 wich i enjoyed then made mistake number two and swapped for a vfr1200! i sold that a couple of weeks ago so i hope my mistakes are well and truly behind me.

even tho the vfr had no fancy electronics up top, it had plenty that controlled all sorts of things and made the bike ride somewaht electric and so i hope and pray that the new sd is nothing like this.

the dealer says it shall be delivered for the end of this month?

so i shall report on all the details the likes and dislikes and shall try to be as objective as possible without hiding things just beacuase i have paid out lots of euros..................

this shall be the first time in my 25 years of biking that i have bought a newly released model, worried and excited!

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Post 1611 by gringo,

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yep, two weeks but i expect the reality is more likely december although he has said that KTM have the first lot ready to ship to dealers on the 15th Novemeber and that they were waiting for the end of ECIMA before shipping so could be lucky!

to be honest i am very very nervous about this purchase!!!

Post 1612 by ktmguy,

#1612
I am very very jealous! I have a three month wait!

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Post 1614 by prikkie,

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the dealer is fine and KTM sorted out my sd very quickly and without fuss when an engine valve went walk about with only 1000km on the clock. they also changed the adjuster on my rc8 for the forks when the bike was out of warranty, they would turn themselves when on track, not very good....... they put on the set from the 2011 rc8s and then no problems. had more faulta son my 09 rce than on the sd, did more track use on her but still was suprised at the faults.

will report back when i collect it and ride it to its new loving home jajajajaja

Post 1615 by prikkie,

#1615
After all the press hipe and so on I look forward to someone actually riding the bloody thing.
Did anyone ride ione besides the press? Anyone??
I'm sure it's an amazing bike but I can only take all the press stuff with a grain of salt.
Hope you got your bike soon Gringo and enjoy taking it for a spin, look forward to the report!

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Post 1618 by SuperHoon,

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A display(?) bike has been unveiled at a dealer in Finland

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Post 1620 by Linga,

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Assuming the 1290 SDR is on the homologated list (and I don't see why it wouldn't be) under 1.40 would be a new nakedbike lap record at Phillip Island.

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Post 1623 by Ruprecht,

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formula xtreme don't race at phillip island these days so the naked record isn't really current. road racing over here is fooked up to say the least.

but i think the fastest lap by a RC8R was around a 1:35.4 by Shannon Johnson on the old surface, and the new one has been around the 2sec quicker mark.

Post 1624 by WhiteSoul,

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Post 1625 by Ruprecht,

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Prolly BEARS F1.

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Post 1628 by ferret990,

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Hi, I'm new here. Joined up as I am intending to order a 1290SD.
I assume I am in the right thread, so here goes:
I have been trying to get answers to a couple of questions from KTM/dealers but no luck.
I currently have a 2010 SMT, and due to my work situation I use a KTM 46 litre top box for my helmet and jacket, etc while working.
Also useful when riding to track days for carrying spare fuel, tools etc. Easily removed when you get there, just leaving the base plate on the bike.
Hence I need a similar set up for the 1290. Helmet hanger is OK, but still need something on the large side to secure the other gear.
I notice on the pics of the "touring" 1290 set up there is small top box. I assume this would need to be attached to a base plate, similar to the SMT?
Can't tell from the promo pics if the top box/side bags mount is one unit. Not fussed about side bags, but don't want ugly brackets hanging off the bike when bags off/top box on.
No 1290 parts catalogue available yet, so in the dark a bit. It won't be a deal breaker, just keen to find out the options.
I don't know anyone with a SD; so what have you found in regard to fitting top boxes to the older SD's?
Cheers

Post 1629 by MrZ32,

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Post 1631 by ferret990,

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Thanks for that DMacL, will see how hard it is to modify to fit a large top box, otherwise probably go with the side bags.
No mention of the touring screen in that list, hopefully they realised how fugly it is and are changing it.
Trying to keep add-ons to a minimum - base price in Oz is about $26k ride away - ouch.
I reckon luggage, crash pads and tail tidy will do me. Race dongle?.....mmmmm

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Post 1633 by ferret990,

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The WP cartridge and shock along with the tripple clamps will be my first purchases when my bike is delivered....I can only hope they are relatively priced to ohlins

Post 1634 by 41KS,

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Post 1635 by Ruprecht,

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I am in Mount Gambier. Nearest dealer is Roe M/cycles in Warrnambool, Vic (200km away).
Otherwise Adelaide or Melbourne, but would rather support a smaller country dealer than one of the Peter Stephens outlets.
My SMT originally came from Kessner, I think they are they PS now?
I wish I was more patient so i could buy a low km used one in a year or so. Geez we are gunna take a hit when it comes time to sell.
Where are you Ruprecht?

Post 1636 by MrZ32,

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Post 1637 by bic_bicknell,

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I stopped off at P&M Motorcycles in Crawley this morning to enquire about getting a test ride on the new SD. They say they are expecting their first new SDs to arrive in December but that all the fist eight are already sold so none of them will be available as demo bikes, it seems like this is their policy - while they can sell them untested to people willing to pay deposits on untried bikes then they won't bother running a demo for people like me.

When I asked about the maybe demo bike and whether it would be offered for sale later the guy said really sharpish, "No, that's going to be mine!"

Oh, OK Mr.KTM sales guy, great service I thought.

so it looks like, at least in this area the first opportunity to have a go on the new SD is months and months away at best.

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Post 1644 by prikkie,

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Today I got e really good offer from my dealer. Traded my bike in for a black SDR 1290 with akra system and some power parts.
Also was allowed to take it for a short spin.
AWESOME!
Have to wait till end of march 2014.
this will it look like also with the orange clamps

Post 1645 by Ducati Pete,

#1645
The triples* are a different offset, the orange is a bonus.

From KTM : "Racing optic, more stability and feeling in the front end, faster cornering/improved handling, more stability during hard braking, less friction in the clamping range so suspension can't bind and high quality CNC machined orange anodised"

The bike is fast enough so I will wait for an aftermarket exhaust and a cheap dealer remap. Just need to make it turn faster with the suspension hard parts and a set of Carrozzeria wheels.

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Post 1649 by Ruprecht,

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I'm a bit confused about all this talk about top triple clamp stuff.

With my ,albeit rudimentary mathematical mind, you cannot replace the top fork clamp with different geometry if you do not also replace the bottom part of the yolk with a matching set of geometry.

There is potential to raise/lower the position of the forks in the clamps to raise/lower the front end and rake of the bike, like the Nichols clamp does, but this does not alter the degree of rake in relationship to the frame.

What is this new part for the SD offer?

And if it's better why is it not standard??

Post 1650 by Lowrance,

#1650
You are correct...you cannot change geometry unless you change the set.

Post 1651 by scamb66,

#1651
I thought they were just orange and machined billet rather than cast.

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Post 1653 by Lowrance,

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Your missing the point they are ORANGE, so obviously way more expensive and heaps better than the originals.

Post 1654 by Ruprecht,

#1654
They are a complete set, not just the top clamps. I am buying them off this premise, if that isn't the case then I wouldn't get them.

On a side note, from reading a fair chunk of this thread there seems to be two stand out types of posters: 1) The positive posters who are either buying one or await a 2nd hand one later on down the track 2) The negative posters who come across a tad toolish with a smidge of jealousy. But hey maybe I'm just looking into things too much Have a great weekend.

Post 1655 by SDNerd,

#1655
Billet clamps should be better. Stiffer. No idea how much difference it makes on new bikes though. Can't imagine it's like sticking a fork brace on the old flexy flyers.
I wonder how much adjustment is in those rearsets as well. If they offer both more relaxed and more aggressive positions than stock.

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Post 1657 by prikkie,

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Is it possible to have too much corporate identity?

Edit: I don't think Don was referring to being cynical about orange bits.

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Post 1659 by prikkie,

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Because it was cold and the roads were a little damp I took it slow. The bike was in street mode and the rev. limiter was set on 7000 rpm.
Then a red light flashes.
The bike felt very stable and was easy to ride. Power everywhere. 6th gear you don't need. Compared to my SDR 990 you are sitting in the bike and not on top as all SD's. Wind deflection is really good.
My SDR 990 felt a little more nimble because of the offset of the forks so I ordered also the triple clamps for the new 1290 SDR.
Suspension felt good but couldn't nail it while cornering because of the new tyres and damp roads. Braking power is fierce.
My first impression is WOW this is awesome !
My dealer gives during november and december a 15% discount on the powerparts so I orderred;
Full Akra system
Triple clamps
ABS dongle
Crash pads
Frame protention
Rear seat cover
Carbon front fender
Tail tidy
Racing sticker set for the rims
Rims will be painted orange
Can't wait till march

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Post 1661 by jmann,

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I'm taking the stuff about the triples with a pinch of salt. If they have different offsets that will become apparent with the passage of time.

I've been waiting a long time for this bike to arrive and have had the money set aside for a year or two. While being excited about this bike I'm a bit bemused about the need to be the first kid on the block to have one. I'm certainly not getting one until I've actually ridden one. Eventually, of course, the dealers will be trying to move excess the stock that they have on the floor. Is KTM going to try to create some sort of exclusivity by only producing limited numbers? I think not. Whats the hurry it's been about five years in the making ...

Post 1662 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1665 by CEREC1,

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Just seen the bike in the flesh at Bike Live, NEC UK.
It's nice but £14K
Tricked out one with some official bling including Akra can, not the full system and that added almost another £3K
Sorry but when you look at the new BMW S1000R naked with semi-active suspension, quick shifter and data logging for £11400 the KTM is too expensive.
Surely they will realise the list price is too high and after the initial rush of orders from those who are rich enough, or just have to have the latest model the price will just have to fall

Good luck KTM but I'm not even considering one now.

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Post 1667 by Colonel_Klinck,

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I can see the price dropping in 12 months time just the Tuhomo.

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Post 1670 by Blackduke77,

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Has anyone been able to confirm a U.S. price for it yet?

Post 1671 by ktmguy,

#1671
I bet it's going to be around the same price as the rc8r. Gotta pay to play orange!

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Post 1673 by Ruprecht,

#1673
Jman and Rupercht you both can have a quick spin on mine if there are no demo's available

Post 1674 by Superdan,

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prikkie, thanks for the reassurance, first time i have ordered a bike before a test ride, the one they had at the show was quickly whisked off by ktm and so i had no chance to test ride it.

mine if i am lucky should be here for the end of this week so it will be next week when i get my hands on it, also there is a holiday next friday so i get three days to play around to be amazed or regretfull !!!!

Post 1675 by Lowrance,

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Post 1678 by gringo,

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Finally got my chance for a demo ride on the new Adventurer yesterday, had to take a putt and see if I'm old enough for something like this yet (in a word No).

Was impressed by the bike in some areas but a little let down by a couple of things which will be making their way onto the SD.

Will go into detail shortly with edited post...sorry got an important...

Post 1679 by bic_bicknell,

#1679
SAME AS I POSted a couple of weeks back after seeing it here, controls looked cheap and like they could stick when used especially with gloves on, did not see the welds tho, may have had my rose tinted glases on tho.

those welds on the pics do like rough tho? like a school project........ especially the one to the right.

aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh i need some reassurance before getting mine, deposit is paid but...........

Post 1680 by Ruprecht,

#1680
Only thing that interests me about the BMW is the dynamic suspension control (the price is nice of course).
Electronics which aren't compensating for rider skill.
I wonder whether the quality of suspension is as good as the WP stuff though, and how quality differences stack up against dynamic control in performance. Still, a minor detail in comparison to the heart of the beast.

Post 1681 by bic_bicknell,

#1681

Just been reading through the official KTM literature for the 1290.

Whilst I am all for international brands and passionate copy that tries to evoke some emotion above the bland surely we are at the point where there is no excuse for prose that has been somewhat, 'lost in translation'. And if it's not because it was written in Austrian and then badly turned into English then it surely is some of the biggest drivel I've ever read - and remember I work in product design and have to regularly write and describe the aesthetic and functional benefits of something that most people might not appreciate by themselves and need it pointing out in an exciting way. Marketing being what it is.

Here's some examples that, honestly, make me cringe. Or cry. Or just stare in disbelief at the page.

To introduce their bike they say this...
"The BEAST, the animal, the force of nature, the revelation - mystic, wild and ready for battle".

On the Kiska 'edge' styling......
"The beefy torso bursting with power on this merciless fighting machine delivers what it promises".

On KTM Powerparts options they have this to say....
"The PERFECT set up from hell. These setups encapsulate your requirements for the motorcycle. Configure your KTM according to your needs and turn it into the ultimate infernal RACING machine, the absolute TRAVEl devil or the STYLE beast par excellence".

On their leathers and helmets...
The ultimate collection for all who want to be recognised as BEAST riders at first glance. Equipment must fit precisely for the ride on the volcano'.

It goes on. I can't do any more.

Anyway I might just send it to "Have I got news for you". They would love it.

Post 1682 by Ducati Pete,

#1682
The RSV4 geometry is more relaxed than our superdukes, and it's easy to hustle through a tight section with some positive input at the bars.

I'm not surprised the new superduke has gone that way, and I'm not concerned by it. At the end of the day, if it's an issue for you, you can always pull the forks up through the yolks by 5 or 10mm.

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Post 1684 by gringo,

#1684
excited now, dealer just told me my new sd has arrived!!!!!!!!!!! normaly a few days to register so should be good to go for this weekend!

trouble is the other half has a paddle tournament this sunday...............

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Post 1686 by gringo,

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"paddle" something that keeps the other half happy and content for a few hours!!!!!

i think in other countries it ,maybe called short tennis?

its tennis for people who dont want to move too far and at the same time look they are doing something.

played on a very small court with walls at the side and either end and betweeen four people.

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Post 1689 by No. 47,

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....padder tennis.

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Post 1693 by Ruprecht,

#1693
Can of worms = OPENED!

Post 1694 by prikkie,

#1694
Hah! Wasn't looking to start a debate over break in procedures.
Prikkie mentioned the bike he rode was limited to 7K rpm. I assume that's part of the factory break in drill, wondered if Gringo had been given more details yet (first service etc).

Post 1695 by ferret990,

#1695
No, just be careful they said and have fun!
Conditions were not so good so I took it slow.........160 km/h on roads where only 60 is allowed. I didn't have a chat with the salesmanager about the deal to trade my bike in for the 1290b before my ride They also offered my to ride again after the deal . One of their mechanics took it for a spin for 1,5 hrs. Wheelies everywhere he said. He looked like this hahahaha That look told us everything.
He and his wife both have a triumph speed triple then the salesmanager fired the question "are you selling your speed for the 1290"? Al there was, was silence. Hahahaha. He was completely sold.
That tells you everything about the beast.
Just buy it!
I always tell my friends "carpe diem" Tomorrow it can all be finished thats why I made the decision to buy the Beast.
Now wait until march and than its'my turn when the roads are dry and the temperature is up.

Post 1696 by ebags,

#1696
Got an answer from KTM Austria re: luggage:

"- there will be no topcase or carrier system for the 1290 SUPER DUKE R
- there will be a sidebag with 18l volume (available from march 2014) - the carrier for the sidebag is easy to mount (~ 30minutes) and easy to dismantle
- there will be a large rear bag (18 - 36l volume) have to be mounted at the pillion seat
- there won't be a touring windshield - The example shown on the microsite can not be offered due to technical reasons."

No big surprise there; huge gap between the headlight and the screen - would make for some interesting turbulence.
And for "technical reasons" read "too ugly to be allowed out in public"
At least it wasn't orange.....

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Post 1698 by ebags,

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Little late to the party but slapped down a deposit on a 1290 two weeks ago. I must say I'm completely peeved off some of you are getting them so soon.. here in Australia its looking like late Feb.

Anyone ticked the box for the Akra Evo? $3999 here!! but still want it lol.

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Post 1703 by ebags,

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Note the three pages are "touring" "race" & "style" ... although there are more than a few double ups between the "setups".

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Post 1704 by ebags,

#1704
I feel everything is very reasonable APART form the bloody 1 thing I really want the full EVO!!!

I was really surprised at the triple clamp price too... was expecting more around $1200+ slowly chip away at the whole catalog.

Post 1705 by ebags,

#1705
If anyone wants a copy feel free to PM me your email and I'll forward it to you.

Post 1706 by BassAgent,

#1706
Anyone else gonna wait for adam to make some carbon pieces? Lol

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Post 1709 by ebags,

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Interesting that it doesn't list a "Race Dongle" like the other price lists, but lists a "Bad Fuel Dongle".
I wonder what is considered "bad" exactly, and if this (and the akrapovic map) will become the key to aftermarket tuning.

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Post 1712 by gringo,

#1712
numbers add up pretty quick hey.

$23,500 for the bike
$1,500 approx for on roads
$3,999 for exhaust
$300 for crash protection
$135 for bad fuel dongle (if thats what we think it is)
$199 for number plate hanger
$319 for rear stand

$29,952

start with $30k and you might have enough money left over to put fuel in it to ride back from the dealer and buy a 6 pack of beers for when you get home. gotta pay to play i suppose.

Post 1713 by Ruprecht,

#1713
money is counted and ready, off tonight to look at her and hand over the cash, dealer waiting for the documents from KTM then he can register it and it shall be mine! unless i have second thoughts jajajaajajaajaja

my items for the future shall be:

short plate holder
after market exhaust and remap, will not be an akra one as way over what i would want to pay plus i imagine some better looking shorter ones will spring up.
heated grips, does get cold sometimes here.
maybe some rearsets for the track but shall wait first for the first outing on track to see if they needed.

smaller front or larger rear sproket?? could be intresting.........

but first i am just going to ride and ride and ride and ride!!

Post 1714 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 1717 by Lowrance,

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KTM have certainly had a look at how Ducati separate their "special" customers from their cash and warmed to it!

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Post 1720 by Lowrance,

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So, my Adventure ride. As others have stated good power and adequate handling form such a heavy bike.

Menus are easy to cycle thru to get to what your after. I had it set in Sport with MTC and ABS on and suspension set to the most firm option in less than 2 minutes without ever having seen the menu screen or touched the buttons. Buttons were nice and positive with no sticking whatsoever. Easy peasy. 1290 is uses exact same switch gear.

Peel out of the dealership and noticed imediately that KTM have fooked up one very simple item that they've had working perfectly for years....don't laugh. The turn signal switch is a fooking joke. There is no lever travel on the switch so you do not know if you've activated it unless you look down at the dash. Several times I thought it was blinking only to find out it wasn't....WTF? You just can't get a feel for it through gloves. Unbelievable KTM.

First bike I've ridden with ABS and must say it works (if a little too soon in Sport). I'm sure it'll work a little less intrusively on the SD-R. TC works as I was not able to get the rear to break loose no matter how ham fisted I was with the throttle while leaned over.

And the MSC, it works as well. While leaned over, grabbed a hanful of front brake and no muss or fuss. While not available on the 1290 it was nice to try it out. Was a little tentative at first mind, didn't want to put this shiny new demo on it's side.

Now for the interesting stuff. With MTC on and in Sport mode there is a slight hiccup when whacking throttle open at low revs in 1st gear. Clears quickly and you are off to the races. Little tug on bars and low and behold, front end rises controllably click second, third, fourth....nice power wheelie right past said dealership. Turn around, decelerate aggesively and am able to get back end in air for obligatory nose wheelie before electrics kick in and spoil party. Again, in fornt of dealership. Salesmen and mechanics impressed as they didn't think either was possible with electronic nannys on. Bodes well for 1290s electrics.

Build quality? Mirrors hit winshield at full lock...WTF? Can probably be adjusted but obviously not an issue on 1290. 12vdc power port will not stay closed while riding (again, no issue on 1290). Gearbox? Sweet. Makes the unit on our SDs feel like a farm implement by comparison.

All in all worth riding and a little of this info will transfer directly to 1290. Rode it to see if I am old enough to own one of these things and have to say I'm please to find out that I am not..at least not yet. Got another 5-7 years before I'll be ready for something like this.

Cheers.

Post 1721 by fatbob,

#1721
Nice little report. Thank-You.

Post 1722 by fatbob,

#1722
I was wondering, if a comparison write up could be made between the two SDR's when new owners start taking delivery of theirs. I am hoping there will be a few guys on here who might still have their current SDR's when the 1290 arrives in their garages.

For those of us who are still on the fence for one reason or the other, i was hoping a few of these points could be noted:
1. Build quality
2. Finishing
3. Ride height and position
4. And how standard is the bike compared to their cheaper and smaller bikes. For instance how many parts are shared.
5. How hooligan is the ride compared the the FF 08 SDR
A ride review from an unbiased stand point would go a long way

All these make a difference, because i would not buy an R8 simply because the interior looks like an A3. Whats the point, I'd rather buy a GTR (cannot afford either BTW). I ask these because i have seen a pattern emerging with KTM lately and I am afraid sooner or later we could easily draw a line through it. Minus the motor, I am interested in what other measure KTM have taken to set the 1290 SDR apart for the herd.
thanks

Post 1723 by Ducati Pete,

#1723
I realise he's a company man now, and maybe we should take his comments with a pinch of salt; but Belfast said when he turned off the ABS on the 1290 he couldn't "Beat" the braking performance with it on.

Given that man has beat Rossi and Capirossi head to head (on a customer bike) I think we all will be OK with the ABS!

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Post 1729 by Ruprecht,

#1729
Saw a neat slippon exhaust for the 1290 at the NEC show.
A few pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41597685@N07/

Their website is austinracing.com

They should have the finished version out in Jan for around £800. Hand rolled and welded Titanium, all looked like good kit to me. The Duc full system was a work of art, so may be worth a group asking them if they could make some.

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Post 1733 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1733
Austin racing make THE best looking pipes, here is the one I picked up (not my bike but same can)



Fook me its loud, amazing sound, but as Crotchrockety says too loud, can insert loads of baffles but I think it will restrict any BHP gains and give a flat spot.

Post 1734 by ebags,

#1734
Man that sounds sweet! Shame it would get laughed out of any uk trackday.

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Post 1738 by jmann,

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+1 On the Austin can! awsome!

Prices don't look good in NZ neither, have a look at the link below.
Prices indicative only but still.
I recon they end up the same way as before. In 2009 the SD still had the 24k price tag in NZ, no dealer could shift any.
In 2010 they had to drop them below 19k to shift new 08 models out of the showroom. The akra pipe was $2500 then... oooch!
I love the bike but I still think KTM turns in to the apple of motorbikes.

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Post 1742 by Lowrance,

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Ruprecht you can get the Akro map uploaded by a dealer even if you don't have the Akro Evo, I have already called to confirm. This should be the case with most dealers if they are good.

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Post 1744 by Stratkat,

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New bike is generating a lot of interest. Nice to have some new blood on the forum.

Would ask that you newbs update your profiles to include location as most of our discussions not only revolve around the bike but location as well.

Cheers

And Rup, do you ever get any sleep? Believe it's o'dark thirty there isn't it?

Post 1745 by fatbob,

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Post 1746 by Ducati Pete,

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Latest from Austin Racing

"We will have the de cat system and full system available in January/February. We get our test bike in 2 weeks"

Post 1747 by bic_bicknell,

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Post 1748 by Ducati Pete,

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Uk
Had a few of their systems
Bit loud but nice stuff

Post 1749 by Ducati Pete,

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Looking into the end of the can and talking with the guy on the stand the silencing is done in the large diameter
piece of pipe feeding the can. The can on the end is actually hollow.
The seemed willing to look into making cans fit to an Akra Y piece for a 990, so I am sure they could be flexible for the new bike (at a cost).
They haven't fitted it the bike yet as they don't have one, so now would be a good time to give them input.

From what I can remember you either have to make the gases change direction or let them expand into a larger volume for a silencer to work. Always be tricky with this kind of design though unless the piping is long.

The Akra can on the 1290 looked pretty big to me, so maybe if you want smaller and track quiet, you may need two cans stacked up as per the streetfighter. They made it with a single sided swing arm to get the can into the wheel for the ground clearance. I think the standard can looks quite good against the competition
it could be worse( Z1000 cans are really bad).

Post 1750 by ebags,

#1750
LOL

Newbie - can you tell me about this and that.

SD.net - fooked if we know, we've not seen one yet!

Post 1751 by bic_bicknell,

#1751
I for one, want to know how we as a forum, deal with the 1290.

"It's a Superduke Jim, but not as we know it"

It makes me realise that the original SD and the post '07 bikes were more or less identical. We are all brothers in our ownership. But this new beast is a different beast.

When the ownership posts start happening it will be chaos.

Someone posted about how many parts are interchangeable with the old. I tell you.......I guess virtually none. It's a different bike.

Everything will be different, the problems, the 'fixes', the quirks, the huge amount of info and accumulating knowledge. But none of it will be transferable or interchangable.

We need to think about how to manage the two different threads. We are all the same DNA but we should make sure that we pre-plan what is about to happen.

Moderators...... is there a way to create a specific place for the 1290.

And yet keep us all together in a family. I am not suggesting in the slightest to create a spiritual division here.

Post 1752 by BassAgent,

#1752
We could just stick 1290 in the thread title.

Post 1753 by jmann,

#1753
I do hope the 1290 has a BGC!

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Post 1755 by fatbob,

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There will always be an equivalent BGC equivalent issue!

Ebags. In my opinion, running in is almost a thing of the past. You have to appreciate what it all meant at the beginning of the automotive time line. In the old days the engineering and manufacture the tolerances were pretty bad and all the mechanical components had to 'bed down' and sort of wear into each other. When you started a new engine it had to 'run in' because nothing really fitted very well. It was a rider's skill and needed a sort of mechanical empathy to do it well. There were definitely better ways and worse ways to run in a new engine.

Nowadays the engineering and manufacturing tolerances are so much better. Engines come off the production line so much better made than they were. They almost run perfect straight off the production line. You don't even hear about people 'warming up ' an engine anymore before riding.

Running in is not a mechanical necessity anymore.

What is important is to understand mechanical sympathy. If you have a new engine then it's common sense to not rev it to it's maximum so keep the revs low. But the main thing is not to labour the engine. Keep the engine spinning, don't use the torque, don't shift up, give the engine an easy time. Revs is not your enemy, torque is. come on.... you can feel it!!! How would you like to be if you were an engine?

I've rebuilt and remade so many engines in my life. A new bike shouldn't be intimidating - however much it cost. Just go out and enjoy it and be gentle and feel it's engineering.

But I am of the school that says give it a hard time. Thrash it when it feels like being thrashed. Don't molly coddle it. Fooking ride it.

Post 1756 by SDRSteveH,

#1756
Without starting a debate, I think the basic principles still apply to any bike or 4stroke vehicle in fact. The 1290 still has piston rings, they are fresh from the factory and they need to be seated. I would think break in applies even in 2014.

Post 1757 by Superdan,

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Post 1758 by prikkie,

#1758
Spotted in Germany

Post 1759 by paul81,

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the only parts that will need a change if any at all would be the tech and how to section, having a 1290 sub section in these would sort that. better still, like DP says, just put 990 or 1290 in the thead title and then we can all cossie up together

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Post 1761 by ebags,

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Whats with the orange wheels?? I haven't herd anything about there being an option in Oz... just though they were all coming in black. I was planning to have mine powder coated to orange (ordering orange bike) when I change the first set of tyres... hmmm interesting, might have to call the dealer again.

Post 1762 by Lowrance,

#1762
This is obviously a customer (or shop owners) personal bike. The orange wheels and front fender are not standard.

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Post 1767 by gringo,

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ebags, in the flesh its a lot better, i have an orange one and i am just waiting for it to be registered then i can collect, went to see her the other day, orange is good. i did like the black but my last few bikes some have been black...........

i just want to get her and ride the wheels off the thing!

Post 1768 by Oompaloompa,

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Put down a deposit today for one. Hong Kong delivery slated for March. Now need to choose a colour and decide whether or not to keep my black 08

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Post 1774 by BassAgent,

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Wow surprised at the orange vs black sales, eye of the beholder it is!

Post 1775 by Lowrance,

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I like oprange ahahahaha alreadu have back lolol oh wow

Post 1776 by scamb66,

#1776
A black and white one was leaked a while ago on the MCN site, and I kinda liked it cos my current steed is white and it always seems to gather a crowd where ever I park it

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Post 1781 by ktm08,

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Tbh the SD is still the bike for me,,,,,sometime, but I feel KTM have not thought out the way their bikes are perceived. In the UK there still seen as a bit left field, admired but not seen as reliable as Jap or as desirable as Ducati. The RC would be the sports bike I would have if I was into them, love the looks but to most guys there's no bells and whistles, no racing pedigree and not in the league of BMW, Aprilia and many of the Japs. Still think the RC should've been seen as the top bike and given the electronics package to at least bring it upto the competition. If the SD had been 12k the RC 13.5k room for the SDRR to be 14K the structure would've made more sense. In the hyper naked shootouts still reckon it'll be right up there even top of the pile BUT every report will still say is it worth upto 4k better than the competition and I reckon the answer will be a big no. Course the bike will sell (3 or 4 already been scooped at my local dealers) and if I had the readies I'd be there too but I'm a KT, V2 , orange fan but those on the fence well may decide that the others give better value and possibly more exciting ride for the money. And I think BMW just may come out on top in the sales league, almost wish I was a inline fan

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Post 1784 by Colonel_Klinck,

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just looked over the manual quickly and noted that oil changes are a bit easier, looks like the bike still has to be upright to check the level.
looks like its all accessed from the same side of the machine. love thye battery location, finally!
again looked quick but didnt see any details on changing coolant (front wheel off ground?), or if the tank still hinges to access air filter...

Post 1785 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1785
well I just got back from the NEC Birmingham bike show today, same shit just as expensive and not many deals or much going on. but I only went their to see the duke in the flesh.
after fighting to get a look and to sit on it I must admit its a lot more comfortable than I first realised, even the standard set-up on the foot pegs is even comforting. so when fitting the rear-sets im sure getting ya knee down should be with ease without worrying about hitting the pegs first.
I did speak with the ktm manager about a lot of things that's been on peoples mined. the ktm for the uk is due for shipment on the 4th dec and will take a week to get here, so from the 10th dec should be ready and in the shops!
the exhaust has been carefully thought out to look the way it is. due to engine size and tough emission laws they couldn't make it like the rc8 type but ktm are looking at other options.
the power parts will be out in January some time.
after speaking to a couple of other exhaust company's, think ill just save n wait for them to bring out their types of exhaust system for the sd be a lot cheaper!
spoke to austinracing and they are considering doing the under slung or rc8 type can. but do think ktm are a joke on the can, full system for over £1500 plus set up all for just an extra 15bhp..sod that! speaking to ackra you cant even order through them it has to be through ktm..
I have ordered my sd in orange and should be getting mine very soon but after looking at the sd in black with all the bling must admit dose look better. but im sure after making it my way it will look just fine plus once I get riding I wont care about the looks etc, just have a massive grin instead..lol

Post 1786 by paul81,

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Post 1789 by Lowrance,

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I'm pretty sure hat would come down to each individual countries laws.

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Post 1792 by blb,

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Of course, some of you guys in the countries with little in the way of KTM dealers won't worry so much I suppose.

I must admit that I did have a great relationship with my dealer who helped out with many warranty items, even just gave me the parts to fit myself and didn't want the old bits back!

KTM themselves however were terrible with help..

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Post 1794 by gringo,

#1794
odd that they mention about the handlebars should be moved forward for the track but no lap timer function?

for me it has a lot of info i will never read, instant fuel consumption per litre, the date but why??, battery Voltage, avergae speed, whether my missus is with the milkman,etc........


honestly i think they could have done without the screen on the left.

still when im on her i guess i wont be looking anyway at all that info, never had before........

Post 1795 by Superdan,

#1795
I have a lap timer on my bike, never remember to press the button when I go over the line though

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Post 1797 by gringo,

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not yet, waiting for KTM Spain to send the documentation to the dealer to be able to register.

lets see if i am lucky and everything hapens this week.

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Post 1801 by gringo,

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ok, but not once i have been on any bike and thougt what day is it?

you would think that they could have different options that could be added by the dealer and then use one of the many many buttons for the lap timer, just thinking..........


my god i just want that documentation to arrive then i can have my fun on her!!!!!

i am towing with the idea of heated grips, 198 euros fitted and they can be controlled by the big screen until the computer says no...........

tried some paddock stands that are for single sided on my bike at the dealers but they just dont fit and the bike is left at a funny angle, aftermarket will have a field day with ktm prices, 140 euros for a paddock stand...... was orange tho so must be good jajajajajaaa

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Post 1803 by Lowrance,

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I am sold on the black.. That looks amazing. And the stand is amazing too.

Post 1804 by Ruprecht,

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Couple things I noticed in that video:

1. Someone has already got their 1290 Superduke!
2. Already scratched up the airbox?
3. When he taps the tank at the end of the video it sounded strangely like metal. Will find out this weekend as they will (better) be on diplay at the LBMC.

Come on Friday!

Post 1805 by ktmguy,

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Post 1807 by jmann,

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We should try to get this lot to make one. $215 sounds reasonable.

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Post 1811 by ebags,

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Agreed, looking forward to that 1000PS naked shootout!

Post 1812 by Ruprecht,

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S1000R faster than SD 1290... please MCN


So what powet parts are ya'll ordering? I'm still contemplating pulling the trigger on the Evo exhaust, insane price be dammed! Hopefully common sense will prevail but I can't promise anything. Apart from that, sliders and fender elim for me for the first few months and then I'll start adding to her. To be honest I'm more keen on sorting out GP shift and QS more than anything. That's what I miss most after coming of my seriously kitted R1. Already have slicks on stand by for 'getting to know her track day'!

Post 1813 by fatbob,

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Post 1817 by Lowrance,

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just off the phone to the dealer, still no documentacion from KTM Spain, so tempted to collect the bike and at least i can sit on her and start the engine, could even take it to the track, but wouldnt be insured so best to leave it.

may have the docs next week.............

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Post 1821 by Ruprecht,

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These are all great bikes so it boils down to preference. I like v-twins so the 1290 is for me. Will be selling my 990 Supermoto R to make room. At one point I had a GSXR-1000 and found it easier to ride on the track compared to my RC51-one thing that surprised me was that the higher redline made it easier to get through some corners because I could rev it more and not have to shift. But I sold the GSXR and kept the RC51 because, for me, there is nothing like a booming v-twin, and this 1290 is going to be one helluva big boomer! Waiting now to see when the bike will hit the States and how much. Glad the S1000r is not so expensive-maybe that will keep the price a little lower for the 1290.

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Post 1823 by Ruprecht,

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How much more is the insurance gonna be for the 1290 against a 990SD ?

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Post 1827 by ebags,

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I know this will mean nothing as circumstance, age etc will all play a part but I got an insurance quote a few days ago and was pleasantly surprised!

$900 for the year for full comprehensive. I'm 28 and live about 15km from Melbourne CBD, my driving record is as clean as a baby's bum (not sure how, but it is lol), and I don't have a garage either.

Not as good as my 2010 Dorsoduro factory 750 was @ $560, but much better than my R1 $1392!


Happy chappy 'ere.

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Post 1831 by Ruprecht,

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Any flag waving American patriots that can never get enough jingoism?

of that patriot special...

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Post 1832 by Ducati Pete,

#1832
I'd ride that, if my name was Ben Bostrum.

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Post 1837 by DribbleDuke,

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tyre pressure is an option on adv
You don't have to stop to change maps either , you just have to close the throttle , similar to the Beemer
On the adv anyway

Post 1838 by Ruprecht,

#1838
Stumbled onto this, looking for something else (and thought it interesting): http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2014 ... -111325887

I'm sure that the $24,995 (USD) asking price is just plain greed, but I do wonder where that pricing is coming from ... May have to give them a call ...

Post 1839 by SDNerd,

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Chicago, Illinois

Post 1840 by prikkie,

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Post 1843 by prikkie,

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Spotted in Germany. My bike will look the same only I ordred the full Akra en the orange triple clamps and orange protectors. Racing decalls on the rims too and a carbon front fender.


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Post 1845 by Ruprecht,

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I realise I have asked before, but what is the difference with the orange triples?

You must know if you've been bent over for them.

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Post 1849 by Crotchrockety,

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I'm at the Long Beach show. The US price for a 2014 SDR is ...




$16999

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Post 1851 by StuartJ,

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I'm heading to the Long Beach show tomorrow, can't wait to see it in the flesh. It's going to be a bloody long few months waiting if the US doesn't get them till the spring.

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Post 1855 by BassAgent,

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I hope that's true all around. Call it marketing, but 16,999 is a lot better sounding than 18k. That's 1k more towards an exhaust haha

Post 1856 by DribbleDuke,

#1856
At least here in the USA, paying in cash does not mean much for getting a lower price anymore because the dealers get their money pretty quick no matter how the bike is paid for. All due to the computer age. Money moves quick!

Post 1857 by MrZ32,

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Only 1K more in Canada I found out today. I'm not putting money down until I see it in the flesh though.

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Post 1860 by fatbob,

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That price almost sounds reasonable,$17000. I would not be surprised if bikes left the showroom floor for seventeen grand. I have seen and purchased a couple of new bikes for MSRP and the dealer prep and tax and license is waved. Still giving the Dealership enough money to keep their doors open. If you were a regular customer and purchased your SD through the same dealership, you will probably be looking at 17 OTD.

Post 1861 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 1863 by bic_bicknell,

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What you think about the clutch slavecylinder this time? Should it be replaced to a oberon or hope they fixed the design flaw?

Post 1864 by bic_bicknell,

#1864
My initial impressions of the bike. It is an attention getter. Lots of folks flocked to it. Personally, I liked the orange better than the black version (and I generally like black bikes ). The black was a matte black and it just didn't show off the bike's lines as well as the orange livery. YMMV. I didn't take any pictures of the bikes because all I had was my shitty i-phone and you've all seen pictures of it anyway. I think it looks better in person than in pics though. The front end was held in a vertical stall such that the forks would not compress when you sit on it. So, its difficult to say whether it had the same seat height as the old bike, but sitting on it as it was resulted in a longer stretch to the ground than the old bike. Once in the saddle, I found the riding position more upright, however, I think the pegs may be up and back slightly from their position on the 990 SD.

No BMW S1000R at the show. The guy I spoke to said "it wasn't ready yet," whatever the fook that means. I suspect its more like the idiots in NJ either don't plan on bringing the bike into the states this year, or they just decided not to bring one to the show. These are the same brain trusts that didn't bring an S1000RR to the show during its introductory year, so, I guess I shouldn't have expected them to bring an S1000R. Silly me.

Other new models included: Ducati Monster 1200S; Norton Commando; Yamaha FZ-09; KTM Adventure 1190 (I forgot to look for the smaller displacement street bikes); the new Indian line; Suzuki's new V-Strom; and that new hipster naked Beemer R nineT.

Post 1865 by jjlester_74,

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Post 1866 by Crotchrockety,

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Ktm 1290 adv?

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Post 1868 by Lowrance,

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Just got back from lbmc. The bike looks good....feels good to sit on. I could flat foot both feet at same time. Current bike only lets me get toes down and im not short. They've retained the leg room ive come to appreciate with the current bike.

All around pretty satisfied with fit and finish....with the exception of that stupid turn signal switch. The we high beam switch seems a bit too long as well as my index finger was hitting it while we engaging and disengaging the clutch. Nothing a little trimming with a dremel tool wont fix.

Post 1869 by Crotchrockety,

#1869
Which one did you like better John, the black one or the orange one?

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Post 1873 by Ducati Pete,

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I've gone back and forth on what color I'd want. But that black one with the orange painted wheels...man, that just may be the ticket.

Still convinced on holding out one year for a lower price/an RR model/more exhaust options. But I've already purchased a full suspension upgrade for the moment it arrives haha.

Post 1874 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1874
Quite clearly, orange with nice green wheels would be best.

Post 1875 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 1876 by CEREC1,

#1876
Nearly!

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Post 1877 by SuperHoon,

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Post 1878 by shadowman,

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Post 1879 by shadowman,

#1879
From Motorcycle Weekly.com or something like that.

The rider is a racer with a good turn of speed...

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The first ride was 200 miles by road with hundreds of curves. I dialed in ABS braking for the front, but turned it off for the rear, while selecting full power in Sport mode and traction control off. In the first two miles, it seemed like the front wheel was in the air for at least one mile. Wow!

The big KTM sounds powerful . . . even violent. You learn quickly not to open the throttle aggressively in first, second . . . and even third gear. No naked ever kicked so hard. Acceleration is almost brutal from idle, but when you arrive at 7,000 rpm, it is “@@*!+?!!!”. From there, it continues to stretch your arms towards redline.

Which is not to say the SuperDuke R is difficult to ride, or intimidating. You always can dictate the experience with your right wrist. The bike is actually easy to use, and traction proved excellent with the purpose-built Dunlop Sportsmart tyres fitted to the extremely light, low pressure, die-cast wheels. I immediately felt comfortable cornering, as the bike falls in easily and steers accurately through the turns.

Post 1880 by gringo,

#1880
Would have been easier to just post a link I know;

The KTM representative leading the ride began to up the pace considerably on the dry roads. Aside from the excellent, controllable brakes, and the confidence while leaned over, the thrust and elasticity of the engine was the highlight! How do you combine the explosion of a nuclear bomb with extraordinary modulation? We passed through a stretch of undulating roads that I will never forget, full of elevation changes, as well as flowing corners. The lead group stopped half-way through the ride, and all we could do is look at each other and laugh when we removed our helmets.

Heading to Ascari, the scene of our track ride the following day, we encountered broken asphalt and very poor traction conditions, for which I turned on the traction control. When the roads improved, I turned TC off, once again. I was glad I had ABS for the slippery part, and I felt it engage several times, undoubtedly saving me from more frightful experiences.

At first the suspension seemed rather soft, particularly under heavy braking, but adding two clicks of compression immediately brought better balance.

I was particularly nervous as we arrived at the Ascari Circuit on Day 2, as it can be a dangerous place on a bike. Fortunately, Jeremy McWilliams was on hand to talk to us about the track and then lead us on a few leisurely laps to learn the best line. The morning was sunny and warm, and I reduced the tyre pressures we had run on the street. Jeremy and I know each other from past track encounters, and I did my best to hang on his wheel during one session. He was aboard one of the bikes fitted with all the KTM “power parts” (exhaust, suspension, tuning, slicks, etc.), and even with my stiff suspension settings, my standard bike started to feel too soft after a few turns at our relatively crazy pace. I pulled over to stiffen things up further, and the bike felt much better. I latched back on to Jeremy, and at his pace I had to scrape the foot pegs on both sides as well as the exhaust canister. After the fifth lap, the tyres started to lose grip, and I had to back off.

I eventually got my chance to sample the “power parts” model that features even more horsepower (192 hp), as well as the stiffer suspension tuning and slick tyres. I had much more confidence both braking and accelerating on this bike, and it felt much more stable at race pace. Unfortunately, it started to rain during this session, and after ABS kicked in a couple of times I had to back off the pace.

After lunch at the track, I offered to accompany Jeremy on the road back to the hotel. By this point, the road was wet in sections, but McWilliams was hauling ass nonetheless. I thought to myself that Northerners know how to ride in this shit, and although I held the pace, I was not so comfortable. That was definitely 30 km (19 miles) to remember!

So KTM has, once again, taken the naked bike category to a new level. When a superbike motor is not enough, you go bigger . . . and you end up with the KTM 1290 SuperDuke R. The performance is unreal, and the whole bike works superbly as a package. Not much more to say, really.

Here is the link http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/11/ ... irst-ride/

Post 1881 by scamb66,

#1881
word is this week she wil be registered well the dealer said call wednesday so thats me bieng positive...............

probably will be ready as this week as i have to travel for work so sods law is that it will be ready and i will be out of the country and funny enough im actually off to Austria!!!!

back for the weekend though and unusaully so it has forecast rain in a normally sunny valencia so all the signs point to the bike bieng registered...........

Post 1882 by enigma990,

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Post 1883 by blb,

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Post 1884 by ebags,

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Post 1885 by Jim H,

#1885
Not sure if sold but if anyone is near Tewkesbury and hasn't had chance to see one up close



Tho 15K?

Post 1886 by ktmguy,

#1886
Redline in the UK, just had 3 delivered. Don't know if sold

Post 1887 by Jim H,

#1887
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Post 1889 by Lowrance,

#1889
What the fook did I miss?

Post 1890 by BassAgent,

#1890
kindly stfu if not talking awesome sauce about the New Super Duke R 1290.

Post 1891 by Ruprecht,

#1891
Wasn't me

Post 1892 by ebags,

#1892
At the Aussie KTM dealer meeting last night my dealer was told to expect delivery as early as early February. Also said that there were fewer units being delivered than pre-orders made.

Post 1893 by ktmguy,

#1893
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Post 1894 by gringo,

#1894
If someone wants an orange one just came up... I swapped my order for black today. Other than that no more orange.

Post 1895 by 81forest,

#1895
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Post 1896 by enigma990,

#1896
not a happy camper, called dealer and he said no docs from KTM Spainso no registration, i thought this is strange that KTM would release a bike that people can buy but then cant register, maybe a week delay but its now been two weeks, i called KTM Spain and they did not seem very happy when i explained the situation and asked me to send them an email which i did and they replied in one hour saying they would be contacting me soon, i let my dealer know that i had spoke with KTM Spain but he has not replied, i then called another KTM dealer in Spain who has sold one and also REGISTERED it, i hope there is an explination........

13 years i have been buying bikes and lots of them brand new and three new ktms from this dealer, i hope he has not played my money...............

i have receipts for the payments and he has said i can take my bike but i have a feeling he has not paid KTM Spain as of yet and that is why he has not got the docs from them, i just wish he was honest or has a good explination.

if something has happened and hes delayed me from getting my bike then it shall be the last one i buy from him.

Post 1897 by ktm08,

#1897
Sorry guys to pee you off but I just a call from my ktm dealer, said my 1290 sdr is here and should be ready for pick up this weekend.... Merry Xmass to meeee!

Post 1898 by scamb66,

#1898
Gonna be the longest two days of your life, good luck trying to get any sleep!

Post 1899 by ktmguy,

#1899
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Post 1900 by Ruprecht,

#1900
Ya hope so think its sunny but cold for Saturday!
It will be the longest two days of my life.. Lol

Post 1901 by scamb66,

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Post 1902 by bic_bicknell,

#1902
Younger brother arrived tooday!Yuuuuupiiiiiii!
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Post 1903 by ktm08,

#1903
Nice matching pair, congrats seem to be the first one.

Got the accessory price list for Oz today. Slated for Feb delivery.
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Post 1904 by scamb66,

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Post 1905 by gringo,

#1905
RESULT, i shall have the bike ready and registered for next week! about time and do not like what the dealer has done to me so will have a lot of grovelling to do!

KTM Sapin are not happy either as i gave them a bit of stick but in all fairness its not thier fault the dealer has played me for a few weeks, could have had the bike registered on the 1st of december!

have ordered the paddock stand and the short number plate holder.

also holidays from the 23 rd so plenty of time for runing in then thrashing!!

Post 1906 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1907 by shadowman,

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Post 1908 by Lowrance,

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Post 1909 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1910 by ebags,

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Post 1911 by Ducati Pete,

#1911
I hope sometime soon we get an official word on the clamps. I plan to use mine for 90% track and it was near the top of my 'things to buy' list.

I won't buy it for bling though.

Post 1912 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1913 by CEREC1,

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Post 1914 by Viking,

#1914
I'd shag Motoronin to have one as my track slag. I thinks it's going to fooking amazing on track.

Post 1915 by ktmguy,

#1915
god im soo angry! was going to pick my bike up this weekend and was looking forward to it, but yet ktm has really screwed up this time. they haven't sent the info out needed to the insurance company's so I can get my bike registered and insured.so technically the bike doesn't existed in this country yet!
so how long before they get their ass in gear and send it? was hoping to have it this side of xmass...who knows!
ktm dealer told me its the same everywhere around the uk for all ktm dealers, have bikes in the show room but none can be moved or sold yet to their costumers..
so ya this is going to be the longest two days of my life waiting......again!

Post 1916 by Ruprecht,

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Post 1917 by gringo,

#1917
Redline KTM have a demo in and they've threw a whack of akrapovic options on it.

Post 1918 by prikkie,

#1918
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Post 1919 by NEO,

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Post 1920 by ktmguy,

#1920
KTM Spain said in the email that there was no delay with the "ficha tecnica", a document that the DOT has to issue before you can have the bike registered although i am not so sure because this monday i went to my insurance place and the bike was not yet in their data base so i do not know who is getting a longer nose, the dealer or KTM??

one thin is for sure, its a pain in the ass having the bike for three weeks now and not be able to ride it on the road.

in Spain the dealer has to pay the full amount to KTM before they will release the documents so i imagine it is the same elsewhere. bikes arrive first then after payment the documents.

Post 1921 by Ducati Pete,

#1921
I don't know if I should do this..........

Post 1922 by blb,

#1922
Hi
Just a quick hello from the guys at austinracing uk.
As I could not find an obvious place to start an exhaust thread I will post here for now.

A heads up that we are now working on our all new GP1 exhaust. First ride on the bike in stock trim really impressed, a really great bike with great power and smoothness, needs some serious noise though to complement the looks!

Please feel free to ask questions about the options we have coming.

We will have the high level de cat system available mid February.

http://www.austinracing.com

Post 1923 by NEO,

#1923
Visited the local stealer today as I needed some brembo part for the husky and KTM had them in stock.
Anyway had a talk to the dodgy sales person and his information says: No new SD till march, if even. (his words not mine). ADV same, he has pre sold several since I test rode one several months ago (July), so by the time they arrive it will be 6 months plus. All Duke 390 sold out in Oz and similar story. He's not a very happy chappy!

All up very poor performance from KTM Australia in my opinion...then again nothing new...

Post 1924 by Bunter,

#1924
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Post 1925 by ktm08,

#1925
Akrapovič slip on:

Post 1926 by NEO,

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Post 1927 by scamb66,

#1927
paper work signed, insurance sorted. just waiting for the bike to be pdi then its all mine so hopefully Tuesday ill be picking it up.so cant wait!!!!the bike is so much sorted and more comfortable than my ducati 848, it is a big bike and a bit big, im 5,10 and did struggle to touch the ground with both feet...... but who cares so cant wait going to be the longest two days of my life.
their isn't any insurance company's that have the info yet. but after much talking I did find only one company that has abit of common sence and will insure you on this bike. they know its out but like many they too don't have the info off ktm.

lexham insurance
speak with lewis pacy
0845 600 1664

Post 1928 by Luxamor,

#1928
Not had her on the dyno as yet to check bhp.

What I can tell you is after talking to the testers for the 3 largest uk magazine publications it should make good power.
I see a few members doubt the bikes potential in looks and power.
The 3 testers we talked to give us honest opinions not doctored for the magazine.
Don't doubt this bikes ability and potential. looks stunning in the flesh, it is the most exciting new bike for some time!

Expect good things from it.

Post 1929 by ktmguy,

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Post 1930 by BassAgent,

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Post 1931 by NEO,

#1931
NEO - any high res pics of the exhaust(s) you guys are putting out for the 1290r? Ideally would like to see it on the bike from the side.

Cheers,
J

Post 1933 by NEO,

#1933
Can I suggest to make a new thread for aftermarket 1290 parts or so and move the Austinracing posts there?
I'm afraid all this will get lost in this long thread otherwise or people have to "labour" trough it to find this info in the future?

Klinckenmeister, mods?

Post 1934 by jambox,

#1934
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Post 1935 by BassAgent,

#1935
I'll make new forum sections when I get home

Post 1936 by CEREC1,

#1936
Good idea, cool

Post 1937 by NEO,

#1937
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Post 1938 by Ruprecht,

#1938
Okay so the new sub-forums are made for the 1290. Go ahead and post 1290 related mods in the appropriate section now

and my good deeds are done for the year

Post 1939 by Ducati Pete,

#1939
Can't seem to find the place to post a new thread, can you point me please

Thanks.

Post 1940 by Ruprecht,

#1940
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Post 1941 by Lowrance,

#1941
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Surely with the power this bike has most of the appeal of an exhaust has to be about looks and weight reduction.
Just a thought [/quote]


^^^^^^^This^^^^^^

Post 1942 by Lowrance,

#1942
That Akra slip on sounds just about right for where I ride and will avoid pissing off the neighbors too much. Get a straight pipe section to remove the cat and Id be good. Power should not be an issue.

Loud vtwins do sound fantastic but unfortunately public and more importantly police perception in this state are very biased against motorcycles...no need to add fuel to the fire.

Post 1943 by SDNerd,

#1943
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Post 1944 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1944
god I ant gona sleep tonight as I pick up my bike tomo. so cant wait and the weathers going to be nice for me..
I will give a little insight on the bike but only abit as it be cold, traffic and will be breaking it in. will try my best thou!
may even put up a picture for you.... best xmass ever..

Post 1945 by Stratkat,

#1945
Did you get it mxpower?

I'm sitting at work praying for the chopper which was delayed yesterday to appear today so I can pick mine up tomorrow...

Post 1946 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1946
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Post 1947 by NEO,

#1947
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Post 1948 by Stratkat,

#1948
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Post 1949 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1949
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Post 1950 by SDNerd,

#1950
so its official, mxpower918 is the first owner on the site to take delivery, seems like he should get an award of sorts.
congrats!!

Post 1951 by NEO,

#1951
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Post 1952 by NEO,

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Post 1953 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 1954 by ebags,

#1954
It won't wheelie in Sport mode? Reviews seemed to imply it would.

Post 1955 by NEO,

#1955
Not many pictures of the slip on as we really did literally stick it on before stripping the bike, not developed in any way so very rough picture.

Here is 1 other:



Yes we are doing systems like the prototype high level, please see here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22556&p=276581&e=276581

Tail tidy is a small L shape bracket we used.

Post 1956 by NEO,

#1956
sorry dude my bad! but the power parts ant out yet or am I missing something?

Post 1957 by Stratkat,

#1957
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Post 1958 by Stratkat,

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Post 1959 by BassAgent,

#1959
Like you say, the GP1 is what its all about for us.

That slip on will possibly be fine tuned and offered, as you said, for those that want a simple cost affective option to give more noise, keep the rear pegs and look tidy.

Perhaps i should pull those pics otherwise everyone will think its the finished job! lol...

Post 1960 by ktmguy,

#1960
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Post 1961 by BassAgent,

#1961
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Post 1962 by ktm08,

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Post 1963 by NEO,

#1963
I definitely have fun taking off on 1st gear all the time /shrug

Post 1964 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1964
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Post 1965 by gringo,

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Post 1966 by Stratkat,

#1966
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Post 1967 by NEO,

#1967
Yep that is the 1 bad point!

Post 1968 by gringo,

#1968
Hopefully some maps will appear that will fix this issue.

Post 1969 by Stratkat,

#1969
and the winner is............... me, thursday the bike is registered and ready for collection, at last, it has been a long long three weeks, and the weather for this weekend is 15 degrees and sun, and i have two weeks off work!!

so excited.

Post 1970 by NEO,

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Post 1971 by jambox,

#1971
But I picked mine up over a week ago or don't I count

Post 1972 by Luxamor,

#1972
and quickly relegated off the podium!

so excited, should have it run in by next week, first trip will be saturday off towards the mountains then the local run on sunday

Post 1973 by prikkie,

#1973
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Post 1974 by scamb66,

#1974
Detailed report is:

It's wicked

I want a quick shifter from Santa. ... Please

Post 1975 by ktm08,

#1975
I got my SDR on December 11.Till now I rode 300km and that is all for this winter,i will continue in April.

Post 1976 by fatbob,

#1976
157bhp at the wheel.
205kg with half a tank of fuel on board.


Dyno guy only had time for a quick run. Didn't do AFR or put an RPM pickup on so no torque figure till I find out what ratio 5th gear is and work back to it. 4th gear was just spinning up on the dyno...

If anyone with an RC8 is reading - where do you take an rpm reading from normally? The head/coil pack locations look similar. I'm not familiar with coil-on-plug, used to just clipping a probe on an HT lead.

Post 1977 by shadowman,

#1977
[quote="DMacL"]157bhp at the wheel.
205kg with half a tank of fuel on board.

I suppose KTM always quote crank then , referencing the 180 claims.
Just hope they don't take the alleged 105ftlb of torque reading from fanny craddocks cook book

Post 1978 by gringo,

#1978
Going by how it rides I'm confident the torque figure is accurate. It's not slow...

As I'm feeling lazy, and doing a hundred other things at once, has anyone seen a gear ratio chart anywhere? 5th gear is all I want.

Post 1979 by Lowrance,

#1979
A 10% drivetrain loss would give 162 RWHP so that looks to be in the right ballpark.

Looking forward to some owner ride reports once they get out into the wild and people have time and conditions allowing playtime to begin

Post 1980 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1980
oh yes, bike is registered and insurance is done, peeing it down in valencia at the mo so i shall pick her up tomorrow

sun for the weekend tho!!!!!!!!!!!


so excited.

Post 1981 by Lowrance,

#1981
HP and torque at the crank will be ~ 10-12% less at the wheel due to drive train loss...this always has been and always will be the case for IE engines. Every manufacturer quotes crank HP and torque figures as these numbers are accurate for the engine design (with the possible exception of Ducati...195HP for the Panigali was a bit optimistic).

"Just hope they don't take the alleged 105ftlb of torque reading from fanny craddocks cook book"

It's not possible for you to get a HP reading that's 10% less at the wheel on a dyno and still get crank rated torque. It will be the same percentage less at the wheel vs the crank. We're looking at 90lb/ft odd ish at the wheel. Anyone thinking they are going to see 180HP/106lb/ft on a dyno is in for a dissapointment.

Looks like once someone gets time to uncork this thing we will realistically be looking at 165-170HP and 95lb/ftish at the rear wheel. Not too shabby but don't really see a point until we get the damn overly restrictive electronics sorted.

Post 1982 by Stratkat,

#1982
Also remember all dynos are slightly different. DIN compensation should minimise differences but doesn't always. My intentions with the power run today was to get a baseline for later comparisons when I change things on the bike. I'll be going to a different dyno for any mapping needs - the one today is local and handy but the operator is more of a mechanic than a tuner and is a bit out of his depth with electronics and PCs.

Based on the printed graph from the dyno which plots bhp (5bhp divisions) against mph (1 mph divisions), plus a ruler and my eagle eyes, along with a gearing calculator I found on the internet and input drivetrain figures to to figure out rpm from mph, and a wee bit of excel jiggery pokery... Peak torque is as expected. I'm not going to share numbers or graphs as they are innaccurate enough to be misleading.

What I will say is that the torque curve comes out pretty much flat, and the power curve is lovely and linear all the way.

I think to properly represent the engine performance of the bike it'd be necessary to plot actual throttle position along with torque/power, as we don't know what strategies the ECU may use on the butterflies. Away to look at tuneECU cables and software, I'll need a wee project for the week after Xmas



I didn't find the electronics restrictive at all today, it was quite nice to know I didn't have to worry about wheelspin while riding on shitty damp roads. Rain mode was dull and lasted all of about 2 minutes before going to street. Street was interesting - wind on hard the front wheel juuust lifts off the deck then the bike fooks off along the road harder than I could believe. Sport allowed the front to come up a bit more - power wheelies in 4th at 100+ mph are addictive. Didn't much fancy turning MTC off altogether, I'll save that for better conditions another day.

For me street mode will be ideal for making progress through traffic; sport for making progress in the twisties; and MTC off for being a hooligan. Hopefully it will be possible to re-assign rain mode to something interesting!!

I also found the wind blast pretty comfy - there's no appreciable turbulence, just a nice smooth pressure. Ergonomics are good, brakes are awesome. Suspension is wonderful, plush ride yet swift to turn and eager to tip in, it's set the the recommended "comfort" settings just now. I can definitely feel the difference in quality to the CB's budget suspension.

Only niggle so far is the indicator switch - it's only got a small throw and is more of a push than a click across. It's difficult to be sure that you've put the indicator on or cancelled it just by touch. Although I did have winter gloves on and frozen hands.

100 miles in and I'm in love.

Post 1983 by gringo,

#1983
Awesome to hear! Seems like 170 rwhp 95 ftlb and under 200kg fueled is not going to be overly difficult

Will almost make you want to keep the electronics on haha

Post 1984 by DribbleDuke,

#1984
I hope CPR are getting their hands on a 1290 soon. Want to see what a can and airbox do to that engine.

Post 1985 by Lowrance,

#1985
DMacL....

Like you I want to be able to have traction control on but I'd still like to be able to wheelie unhindered by the electronics. KTM have tied the anti wheelie settings into the three riding modes with no ability to adjust them independently. You can turn wheelie control off but you accomplish this by turning TC off altogether. Basically I want my cake and eat it too...so to speak. No doubt the bike is fast in sport mode.

And...hats off to you for heading out in December British weather to provide us some real world insight.

Cheers!

Post 1986 by bic_bicknell,

#1986
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Post 1987 by CEREC1,

#1987
just got back after picking her up, only 7km and mostly dual carrige way but very nimble, impressive wind protection for a naked, smoooth motor but you still know you are on a twin, effortless acceleration, only opened her up a little in 5th and upto 6000rpm but it went very well, so far so good, saturday will be a proper run on my favourite roads so will report back.

have the short plate holder on and it changes a lot how she looks, got the paddock stand also.

Post 1988 by Viking,

#1988
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Post 1989 by Lowrance,

#1989
First off, congratulations to the first few owners of the 1290 SDR. It has been great to read your reviews and looking forward to reading more of them as you guys get more seat time. Here in the US we have to wait until Feb/March when the SDR is due to arrive. KTM did have the 1290 at the Long Beach motorcycle show so I was able to see it in person and sit on it. The ergonomics felt very comfortable, fit and finish looked excellent (except for the missing LED blinkers which KTM replaced with bulbs on the US model). It's going to be a long winter waiting for mine.

Post 1990 by ktm08,

#1990
Just finished to wrap front fender:

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Post 1991 by Lowrance,

#1991
Don't know who these chumps are riding these race versions of the 1290 but they need to quit their day jobs and find another line of work. Let someone else worthy go for a rip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz1kiHZetyw

Post 1992 by BassAgent,

#1992
wow that's impressively slow

Post 1994 by NEO,

#1994
Here's a recent video of a 1290 SDR tearing up the countryside. All other vehicles beware! And no, it's definitely not me.
http://youtu.be/zumoTgB-2K0

Post 1995 by Colonel_Klinck,

#1995
35 minutes long and not a Weelie in sight, oh boy!

Post 1996 by NEO,

#1996
I'm shit at wheelies but in sport surely you just crack the throttle and it's never going to get out of control so no excuses.

Post 1997 by Lowrance,

#1997
Through 2nd & 3rd gear it's great as long as the tc is off.
A quick shifter is a must buy add on.

Post 1998 by scamb66,

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Post 1999 by NEO,

#1999
Feck me,he wasnt even the slowest out there.

Post 2000 by Lowrance,

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Post 2001 by jambox,

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Post 2002 by Lowrance,

#2002
Notice that it has white side panels and not the usual black. Quite like it, not black though.

Post 2003 by BassAgent,

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Post 2004 by Lowrance,

#2004
really guys if you take this the wrong way or not I don't care! I'm disgusted in some of you bloody moaning all the time either on this topic or others, this forum is suppose to be a friendly banter about the topic in hand or to help other guys with problems etc.
NOT take the piss out of other guys on how he drives or he didn't do any wheelies, maybe his experience is not that much or the laws maybe different or maybe he just bloody didn't wont to because he can. this thing about my dick is bigger than yours or my dad is better than your dad bullshit needs to stop theirs always someone better faster and smoother than you but choose not to show off but instead use there skills when needed.

Post 2005 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2005
Light hearted banter nothing malicious meant to any rider, its just i enjoy rear wheel action!

Merry Christmas

Post 2006 by Ruprecht,

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Post 2007 by Ducati Pete,

#2007
Tricks are for kids!


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Post 2009 by prikkie,

#2009
Did a little paint

Post 2010 by prikkie,

#2010
That is awesome, thanks for doing. Helps to see different ideas. Can you do black bike, with rear wheel orange, front wheel black, with an orange front fender?

Post 2011 by scamb66,

#2011
I dont'like it.

Post 2012 by prikkie,

#2012
No, your right. I do not like it either. How about same thing, but black fender and the orange around the headlight like u had previously in the other picture. Last one, promise!

Post 2013 by prikkie,

#2013
I do like the orange fender on the front...looks sweet. Makes the front end pop! Ok,ok, last one request. Black bike, black rims, orange front fender, and the 1290 under the tail in orange. If I am getting annoying, just tell me. Do not have your talent, unfortunately.

Post 2014 by prikkie,

#2014
How bout either of the two pics with white side panels?

Post 2015 by prikkie,

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Post 2017 by prikkie,

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Post 2018 by Lowrance,

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Post 2019 by AGRO!,

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Post 2020 by Luxamor,

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Post 2021 by ebags,

#2021
Here's one I did earlier in the thread albeit with stock pipes

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Post 2022 by ktm08,

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Post 2023 by NEO,

#2023
Thank you for your effort! Any other color combos u find or create, please post!

Post 2024 by ktm08,

#2024
any plan to get rid of the mirrors?

Post 2025 by ktm08,

#2025
First decent video - had to get an external mic for the camera to try and capture the thump of the exhaust. More to come soon.



ktm08 - did you keep a pattern for the tank pad? Or did you just do it by hand?

Post 2026 by AGRO!,

#2026
I do it by hand.

Post 2027 by ebags,

#2027
DMacL , can you post the picture of the bike lift from the video, maybe give us some measure of it?

Post 2028 by ktm08,

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Post 2031 by ktmguy,

#2031
Yes I want build one by myself!

Post 2033 by Doon,

#2033
Thank you!Today I just made a prototype:

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Post 2034 by Luxamor,

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Post 2035 by AGRO!,

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Post 2036 by shadowman,

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Post 2037 by scamb66,

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Post 2039 by Crotchrockety,

#2039
Working on it. The GM at the KTM dealership referred me to another insurer.

Post 2040 by enigma990,

#2040
Just looking at the pics above and it looks like the full Akra system still comes with a cat.

Post 2041 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 2042 by Lowrance,

#2042
what colour SDR are you getting maximus...orange or black

Post 2043 by scamb66,

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Post 2044 by AGRO!,

#2044
Ive only asked for a few things for the SD from the parts list

My dealer sent me all those pics as thats all they have off the parts list at the mo

Post 2045 by Lowrance,

#2045
Black for me as well.

Post 2046 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 2047 by scamb66,

#2047
For us UK guy's MCN got a test between 1290, v4r and Speed Triple in it Weds 8th, yes I know it's MCN but it's a start

More looking forward to having the S1r in the mix when it's out than the Speedy

Post 2048 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2048
I'll buy/download it tomorrow and post up some screen grabs tomorrow.

Post 2049 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 2051 by Stratkat,

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Post 2054 by NEO,

#2054
I think this is the new YouTube version of the comparo just posted:


Post 2055 by Ducati Pete,

#2055
I am in the fortunate position to ride both bikes as we are RSV4/Tuono specialists.

My opinion for what its worth is they are both fantastic bikes and neither will disappoint.

V4 Aprilia has a sound to die for ( but so will the ktm after we have finished with it ),
Brakes are superior on the ktm,
Low end grunt is superior on the ktm
Top end on a naked is pointless after 130mph and both get to that pretty fast.
Riding position is definitely better on the ktm
Ktm without a doubt looks better
Handling is close but possibly slightly better on the Aprilia.
Fuelling is great on both
Tc is better on the Aprilia at least until they release a new map for the ktm that you can turn certain things off and not others.
Abs, great on both and will get you out of trouble.

Grin factor, i love them both but the Ktm is more Hooligan so it wins that 1 for me.

Mcn test many bikes and have there opinion which can sometimes in my opinion be shall we say, weird!!!
When the RSV4 was released they tested it vs the cross plane R1, the R1 was the winner, UH!!!
Within 12 months they back tracked and suddenly the group test of 7 bikes put the same RSV4 top and the R1 7th or there a bouts!!! hmmm what changed???

Read reviews and take them with a pinch of salt, we are friends with all the top UK mag testers and get a great honest opinion from the guys. The above is an indication of the feedback they give us.

The 1290 is a tool and a great bike, we are all out on developing our exhaust for it no expense spared, not often we will hit a bike that hard so it must be good

Post 2056 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2056
It has only just dawned on me; I really like the 1290 stock 'zorst.

Post 2057 by Lowrance,

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Post 2058 by smackman,

#2058
Thanks for posting that up Klink!

Looks like a good honest article and about what I was expecting although I expected the 1290 to pip the TV4R in the final standings so maybe a little surprised.

A previous poster stated no problem, just get the dongle to retain settings and it's sorted. Um, well no. You've still got the issue of the TC, and Anti wheelie/nose wheelie control linked and cannot be adjusted seperately. They're either both on or off. As mentioned in the article the bike spins it's ass off through third gear with TC off so it'd be nice to have some traction control to handle the copious amounts of torque the bike puts out (read...keep you from ending up on your head from a high side and keep tyre wear in check) and still be able to wheelie if that's your wish (which is my wish). I'm surprised KTM got this so wrong. Again, hopefully a sofware update will fix this glaring oversight. I am imressed they had the presense of mind to offer the SM ABS mode as I do like to slide the rear end about for a bit of fun now and then.

Another issue is the level of standard equipment on the competition (quick shifters, lap timers, tailorable electronics, heated grips, dynamic suspension...the list goes on) and the not insignificant price difference. I just don't understand how KTM can justify the asking price while offering so much less. The additional material it takes to make the 300cc larger pistons and cylinders does not jsutify the difference (this is in jest). The KTM should be less expensive if anything. Guess we are paying for all of the developement time spent on that boat anchor of a swing arm which, in all honesty, I prefer the offerings from Aprilia and BMW. They just look the buisness end of a proper race bike.

Sounds like I'm talking myself out of a new SD-R purchase but as I've stated several times before I will reserve final judgement until I can throw a leg over all three...preferably on the same day.

Wish they'd had the S1R in this shootout. Would've been more relevant IMHO.

Thanks again Klink!

Post 2059 by NEO,

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Post 2060 by Stratkat,

#2060
Abs model tested on and off. The KTM brakes are superior.

Post 2061 by AGRO!,

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Post 2062 by jmann,

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Post 2063 by Lowrance,

#2063
A lot of reviews are just crap!
You are better off making your own judgment when ridding the bike for yourself.
I used to own a brand new speed triple 08 model now everything I read about this bike was its fantastic and handled great but for me it was bad I just didn't trust it in the twisties it would jump out off gear sometimes and the black paint was flaking off.
I also tried every setting to fix it but couldn't find a good compromise I even went to the trouble to find a solution on the net but everyone said it handled great.
It wasn't untill the latest model came out that the real truth of the old model was revealed and yes the handling was not great on the old model.
MCN is biased with the reviews where Triumph are concerned so I never take any notice.

Post 2064 by Lowrance,

#2064
Umm I agree with Agro. It seems to me that I can dimly remember the days when bike journalist used to call a spade a spade.
Those days are long since over because if one does then one doesn't get to go on the junkets in Spain, Italy or wherever.

I'd imagine that an early revision of the Instruments will be to make it remember the settings. Unfortunately, this must be a major
oversight because it clearly hasn't got any non-volatile ram. Given the small number of bikes actually shipped it would almost be possible
for KTM or VDO (if that's whose supplying the speedo) to fix the problem now. Allowing changes on the go would be a whole lot harder.

In terms of reviews I despair... how can so many words be written without actually saying anything real.

Edit Self Correction: Well actually it does have NVR because it can remember milage Etc however the software wasn't written to save the settings - a simple change I would have thought.

Post 2065 by Lowrance,

#2065
Jman see my post on the previous page, the offroad dongle allows the system to remember the settings for those who use the bike frequently on loose surfaces.

Post 2066 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 2068 by AGRO!,

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Post 2069 by ktmguy,

#2069
IDK, for me it all comes down to front end feel and that wasn't even mentioned. What I took away from the article is that they are all great bikes. Having ridden 2 of the 3, I'd have to agree.

The Ape is not perfect, but it's pretty good. Why Aprilia chose a 16 tooth front sprocket vs a 15 T is a mystery. That one tooth changes everything.

The STR handles great, but the engine seems a bit weak. Nevertheless I nearly bought it over the Ape.

I'm kinda relieved that the SD is not that much better or more powerful than the Ape. I won't have to explain to the wife why I need another new bike.

The one thing I'm surprised at is KTMs decision to follow BWMs route re TC rather than going the Duc, MV, Ape route with many levels. If you want to do sky high, mile long, wheelies with TC on, the Ape is the bike for you.

Post 2070 by AGRO!,

#2070
Just returned from the dealers and looks like the bike is about 4 weeks away. They have just received a new shipment of 1190 ADV's and they came with that.
63 black versions for all of Oz in the initial delivery all sold (apparently). Not sure on orange.

Post 2071 by ktmguy,

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Post 2072 by AGRO!,

#2072
Lol! Next bike will be Japanese. Sorry Mr KTM, Mr BMW, Mr Guzzy, Mr Aprilia, Mr Triumph

Post 2073 by gringo,

#2073
well i collected mine and rode it home all of 7kms on friday 20th, then had two weeks holiday and everyday was sun sun sun so i was on her nearly every day, impresiones, comfy, sounds good, light to move around, didnt use the brakes much but they seem fine, today she still has 7km!!

saturday 21st, doing some very bad karate move showing my son how its done and broke the knuckle on my small finger on the right hand...........................................

been in plaster since then, two week xray fine but next one is 4th feb and hope thats the end of the plaster.

Post 2074 by Crotchrockety,

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Post 2075 by smackman,

#2075
After Reading the whole test . Ktm has an massive Engine with lots of middle Power and wheelies like an crazy with aids off.

Aprilia Tv4 has better brakes "fact" Better chassie , Electronics pakage , Amazing sound and better topspeed and was only 4hp short of Superduke

Somthing must been wrong cos from 0-80mph Triumph and Ktm was almost draw and tv4 was a pretty far behind that seems wierd or it just be gearing .

Anyway it was an nice Review . they even compaired new vs old Sd ! Download it .

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Post 2077 by Superdan,

#2077
So you have to spent 30 seconds switching everything off on the KTM to get it go properly, what a PITA pretty sure the KTM TC unit is BOSCH who also do Aprilia's version so dont know why they did not sort it properly, seems like a big oversight which I think will be rectified at some point.

Reading the 0-60 times seems a little odd, thought the KTM might beat the TV4 but certainly not the Trumpet, but the TV4 did show 170mph on the clocks, I guess the TV4 is all about power up top.

Either way think I will be sticking my TV4 for a bit yet.

Post 2078 by Megatron09,

#2078
Woo! Hopefully should have mine late jan early February can't wait!
Though, the rsv4 and dorso have been giving me the sad look lol

Post 2079 by Ruprecht,

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Post 2080 by Luxamor,

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I agree, a lot of indecision and second guessing over the bike for people. Electronics? I been riding 25 years and currently ride a BMW S1000rr. All of a sudden it seems we can not ride motorcycles with out all these rider aides! How did we survive before the ABS/TC era? I hope people do move on to other bikes because that will make my KTM even cooler when I ride by. each to the own and you must love what you have to ride, so do not fault anyone for buying a bike they THINK is the best. I am not looking for the best bike for the money or the best bike based on some noobs say is the best bike for me. You like it......buy it and quit whining! Money is money. If you do not over pay for the KTM, if that is your belief, you will waste that money some other way in your life. So, buy what your soul tells you and live life.

Remember, no one cares if you are the richest guy in the cemetery! Your last check should be to the undertaker and it should bounce!

Post 2081 by fatbob,

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Post 2082 by AGRO!,

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Post 2083 by Ruprecht,

#2083
Aides are for Gays

Post 2084 by Ducati Pete,

#2084
Obviously there's a lot that spec sheets, performance figures and dyno graphs can't tell you, but those roll on times and that torque graph are very suggestive of the sort of ride that appeals to me.

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Post 2087 by Ducati Pete,

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Having owned a 7 grand GSXR750 that could pretty much hang with anything, the bar, as far as value and quality is set pretty high!

The Japanese have been doing it so good for so long I think we start to forget just how spoilt we really are. The European manufacturer's can't make a great bike for the lower price of a Japanese sports bike and if they do it always seems to have problems.

Post 2088 by Lowrance,

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Post 2091 by BassAgent,

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Erganomics and comfort are also a big thing. Even if I wanted the ape or the bmw I know my legs would hate me, stupid long inseam.

Question for dmac and the other current SD owners, how tall are you and what is your inseam measurement?

Post 2092 by AGRO!,

#2092
Can't speak to the BMW yet but the 1290 has substantially more leg room than the Tuono.

Post 2093 by Lowrance,

#2093
1290 will wheelie like crazy with traction control on. It'll also spin the rear wheel if you provoke it hard enough.

It'll also do 160mph indicated without trying very hard.

I'm definitely happy with my purchase and I have to wonder if MCN has an agenda or perhaps doesn't quite "get" naked bikes.

I'm confident I'll keep up with the fast guys I ride with on their sportsbikes on the 1290, all while having more fun on the back wheel and being far more comfortable. Is that not the point of a naked bike?

Post 2094 by Ducati Pete,

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Post 2096 by Superdan,

#2096
Is it possible to transition into the "highchair" wheelie position in these modes?

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Post 2098 by Ducati Pete,

#2098
Part 2:

Post 2099 by Lowrance,

#2099
If you provoke it hard enough it'll wheelie a foot or two in street mode. I almost had a moment accelerating out of a steep uphill turn the front came up more than I expected.

Haven't tried shifting gear while front is in the air yet, won't until there's more grip out.

Traction control sets it down quite gently if it lifts a lot, feels just like you'd rolled off the throttle a wee bit. If it just lifts and no more it'll skim along nicely in street.
TC fighting for grip is like it's not giving you as much gas as you're asking for. Both of these characteristics make sense as I think TC is only provided by throttle control.

I've also experienced wheel spin into a wheelie when changing into second after pulling away, my throttle control definitely isn't good enough to do that so I blame the TC.

I'm still learning the bike so not attempting to prolong wheelies yet.

Post 2100 by Superdan,

#2100
That was really good to watch thanks. 4mph difference is not to worry about just trying to hold on at that speed will be hard enough. Lol
Dont think ill ever reach that around linconshires roads, All that from a standard bike, imagine what it be like once tuned. God I cant wait for summer!
just getting my wheels painted like the prototype then once done I can then get back out and finish breaking it in.

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Post 2104 by Ruprecht,

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160rwhp is a little less than I was expecting (was thinking 165ish from 180 at the crank) but HOLY FFUCK.....99lb/ft of torque at the wheel is bloody massive...way more than I thought we'd be seeing on a dyno, any dyno! The motor is just going to get stronger over the first few thousand miles as well due to KTM's penchant for using fully synthetic oil, including during break-in.

"Yes, yes, yes" (Kimi Raikkonen) I know...dynos vary and all that.

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Post 2110 by Lowrance,

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Except, unlike the HD, it's not as if the 1290 is lacking in outright power either (unless you were expecting it to be going head to head with the S1000RR?).
It's all about the real world performance characteristics. Same as the upright riding position and wide bars of the nakeds.
The 1000 V4 (and probably the S1000R's IL4) might make comparable peak power, but the feeling of riding a relatively low and wide bike (the sensation of speed, not just the lack of leg room), dancing on the gear shift to keep it high in the rev range, isn't what I'm after.
The deceptive speed of a big torquey twin (more torque from just under 4K rpm than the Tuono makes at peak), grunting out of corners in whichever gear you happen to be in, not to mention the sound and feel of the power pulses. Totally different.
Of course I haven't actually ridden the 1290 SDR yet, but the comparison of a 4.79s 3rd gear 30-100mph, to the Tuono's 7.3s, certainly suggests that the ride difference is what I'd expect in that regard.
The price and lack of adjustment in the electronics is a fair knock against the KTM, but the differences aren't big enough, and those just aren't important enough factors, to overcome that engine.
I was more concerned about the herky jerky throttle, or going the other way into vague and disconnected, but apparently they've gotten that nailed.
I find it strange that MCN hammered the lack of a save feature for the settings, but didn't mention the dongle (they mentioned it in their previous ride review from Ascari).
Also, from that last video, it looks like the KTM's speedo is about 30kmh off!

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Post 2112 by 2014_SDR,

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Just want to make sure I'm getting this right? The Super Duke is more comfortable than the Tuono (subjective I know) but no question it has more leg room and it feels significantly lighter. I believe MCN said the SD feels like a 750 while the Tuono feels like a litre bike by comparison. The SD has more power across the entire rev range than the Tuono and develops nearly 100 lb/ft of torque. It out accelerates the Tuono in every measurable way except for 160 - 164MPH acceleration. Yet in spite of all of that the Tuono is the better bike because it has more flexible traction control programming? I know what bike sounds like more fun to ride to me.

I do admit I thought the SD would be at least $1,000 USD cheaper than where they decided to price it and I guess it would be nice to have more options from the traction control but based on what I'm seeing described in the MCN shootout I can't imagine opting for the Tuono over the SD based on the electronics package alone? Is changing traction control settings on the fly really that much of a benefit? For street use I always imagined traction control as more of a set it and forget it type of thing. I can't imagine fiddling with settings while riding. As Lowrance pointed out it would be nice to have traction control on at the same time wheelie control is turned off but that's certainly not a deal breaker for me. I don't really find myself riding 12 o'clock wheelies around all day like Jason Britton or something. For one it slows me down in the corners and two, it really draws law enforcements attention. Lofting the front wheel a foot or so off the street while exiting a corner is the most fun I have with wheelies. If you want to do a full blown Hollywood Stuntz routine just turn the TC off altogether. Needless to say, these are just my opinions. All 3 of the bikes in the shootout look great, especially the KTM and the Tuono but for the type of riding I enjoy the KTM still sounds like the clear choice. I can't wait to do some test riding this Spring/Summer to figure out once and for all which one I like best.

Post 2113 by Stratkat,

#2113
So, my three and half year old Suzuki B-king makes more Power 172hp (160) and has more Torque 105 ft-lbs (99) than the SDR.

Unlike some I’ve got 1290, parked next to my B-King the KTM looks like a skinny supermodel and the Suzuki looks like a steroid fuelled bodybuilder but am I bothered by any of this? (No) I have brought both because I like what they are (naked with large cc) and how they are styled. I would never have brought a Tuono I don’t like it’s styling, surely you’ve got to like the look of a bike that you spend your hard earned money on.

I see the TC off debate as a pointless gripe, if you want the TC permanently off you buy the dongle. Or do people want to be changing it on/off during a single ride?

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Post 2117 by 2014_SDR,

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^^^THIS^^^

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Post 2122 by jmann,

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My other bike has 200hp and no TC. Admittedly it's higher geared and a bit heavier but I haven't had any issues as the wrist can be used for TC when it's not busy with other functions.

I have never had a bike with TC but I have driven many powerful cars with no end of modes. In my experience with cars everybody fiddles like mad to start with and eventually finds one they like (usually comfort or auto) and then never touches it again. My guess is that most here would leave abs on and TC off and just get on with it.

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Post 2125 by scamb66,

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Ya know I'd settle for something really simple - perhaps like four buttons across the handlebar block: Press the first button and everything is off. Press the next and User1 Mode is on - something like rain but retaining the settings I stored last time. Press the next button and User2 mode is on which I've set up with race settings Etc. Obviously the name User1 also needs to be programmable and the whole thing happens on the fly. Ya know EVEN my car radio does it.

Post 2126 by SDNerd,

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Post 2128 by 2014_SDR,

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^^^What Luxamor said^^^

Is this bike too much for me? Probably. Will I get anywhere near it's potential? Probably not.
I don't give fook if I have to press a couple of buttons to turn TC on/off every time I ride the bike, probably stay on anyways, if it becomes annoying I will buy the dongle.
Hardly going to make or break my decision to buy the bike. Would rather have it than not.
I am passed middle age, kids are just about out of the house, I worked hard all my life, went without a bike for years while mortgage and kids came first (you get the drift).
This is my first chance to ever own a new bike so WTF if I want to spoil myself, I think I deserve it. Who give a toss if it's to feeds my ego.
Yep it's an expensive bike but still cheaper than your average HD and there are plenty of those tooling about.
Just hope the forum doesn't go down the road of the have's/have not's, unless of course the 1290 turns out to be dogs breakfast.

But like Luxamor the main reason I am getting one is because it's ok with my wife. Bless her.

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Post 2130 by fatbob,

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Looking at the MCN write up a little more closely, the Tuono they test has a large screen on it whereas the Speed and the 1290 don't. I say take that off and try the top speed run again or put screens on all three. Some may say don't be a sore toss about it, it's only 5mph! But I would wager it pull 5mph less without that screen.

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Post 2134 by AGRO!,

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Given the T/C vs. Wheelie control debate going on, I thought it might be enlightening to see KTM says about the issue.

The March 2014 issue of Sportrider magazine has an abbreviated interview with Peter Gorbach, KTM's Engine Manager. The piece discusses the lengths KTM undertook to make sure the bike's fueling was spot on. The last paragraph of the interview talks about wheelie control:

"Why doesn't the traction control allow wheelies? The tough thing is to develop a system so that when you're wheeling, it [the front wheel] comes down smoothly. We are testing but it's still not yet at the level that we want to introduce it."

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Post 2138 by Lowrance,

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God I love that bike! Around the 4 minute mark the front end starts to lift when he accelerates....is that with the TC on or off you think? Granted not long wheelies, but the front end comes up like three times. At the 520 mark a black cat crosses in front of him and narrowly escapes being eatin alive by the BEAST!

Post 2139 by Ruprecht,

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You do love this bike! Double post

Post 2140 by TLS_Russ,

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I think the TC was still "on" although I didnt see the TC light up on the dashboard but he was also not thrashing it everywhere becuase its still being run in and of course there is the dreaded traffic to spoil the fun. Notice the shift light coming on early in the rev range. Rev limited for the first 1000 K's I thought.
Nice video "iannowi" and thanks for posting - very enjoyable and the bike looks great. Looks very easy to go fast on as well
I could watch this stuff for hours and cant wait to get mine and do the same things........

Post 2141 by fatbob,

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And our bretheren from Malaysia chime in....

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Post 2144 by Ruprecht,

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Must have thought he was on the 390. Well, there's one that will not be making to the US for the dealer demos. Silly jurno...don't need the clutch on a 99lb/ft torque monster.

Post 2145 by gringo,

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I hope this is hte binned bike and not a sign of KTM's lack of quality....

Check out the LH side rad shroud flopping in the breeze.

Sure am glad I wasn't out on track with those knuckleheads...

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Post 2149 by Lowrance,

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I started to watch that vid - but then the guy started to weave out of the gate ... No reason to watch further. Clueless.

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Post 2158 by Lowrance,

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Quick change of subject.
Does anyone know what oil comes in the 1290 when delivered - is it mineral or synthetic?
Does anyone know what material the bores are in the 1290 - Cast or steel or Nikasil etc? I know they use Nikasil in some of their highly strung dirt bikes!
And finally - whats with the first start and idle for 15 minutes once the software is unlocked from transport mode. I cant think of a worse way to bed a new engine in
Thanks

Post 2159 by fatbob,

#2159
If it's s the sAme as the 990, it's so the ECU can find itself

Post 2160 by Lowrance,

#2160
Like all KTMs....fully synthetic. I don't necessarily agree with this as it takes longer for the piston rings to seat against the cylinder bores. Eveidence is the excessive oil consumption for the first 5K miles or so on the original SDs.

Not sure about the cylinder wall material but would assume nikasil.

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Post 2163 by 2014_SDR,

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Mine used oil (not excessive mind compared to some on this forum) for about 3K miles. I'm in the "breakem in hard camp". I run them to redline, vary RPM and row through the gear box. Only thing you don't do is sit at an RPM, any RPM, for extended periods.

I've broken in several new machines over the years and this is the only one that's used oil after 500 miles. Only real diff is the fully synthetic oil.

Lots of opinions on this subject and certainly don't want to get into a debate as it's been hammered to death throughout the history of the IC engine.

Post 2164 by 2014_SDR,

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And the warranty claim is?

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Post 2168 by bic_bicknell,

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Interesting to read discussion, re: the price point of the SDR, so I thought I'd just go out and gather some prices of other 2014 bikes to compare.
These are all U.S. dollars base MSRP.

* KTM 1290 Super Duke R $16,999

* KTM 1190 Adventure R $16,799

* KTM 1190 RC8 R $16,499

* Diavel Dark $17,700

* Multistrada S Touring $19,995

* Monster 1200 S $15,995

* BMW S 1000 R $15,500 (estimated since price not announced yet)

* BMW R 1200 GS $16,100

* BMW K 1300 S $15,750

* Tuono V4 R ABS $14,500

* Honda VFR1200F (2013) $15,999

* Kawasaki Z1000 ABS $11,999

* Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE $12,990

* H-D V-Rod Muscle $15,849

* H-D Fat Bob ABS $16,494

Post 2169 by Luxamor,

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Looks quite reasonable when you look at in like that.

The Kawasaki is the clear winner on value I guess from that list but what is the point on spending anything on something that isnt what you want.

If you want it and can afford it then dive in and have fun

Post 2170 by Stupid Luke,

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I guess I'm still in la la land when it comes to bike prices I am willing to pay.

I still think on circa £8000+ as a very high price to pay for a bike. I think I bought my brand new '07 Superduke in 2007 for £7K and that was the most I ever have paid for a bike - ever. And I got a free Akra exhaust and lost of axtras with that deal. Anything over £10K and it's just out of acceptable reach for me, it's in Bimota or high-end Ducati territiory. It's not that I can't afford it - I could buy a new 1290 now with cash now - it's just that I'm not willing to spend that much on the initial outlay for a motorbike. Maybe I just haven't moved with the times and inflation

Because, realistically I will also want to spend a load more to make it the bike I want to own. Exhaust mods, free breathing mods, cosmetic improvements etc. I can't even begin to add up what I've spent on my SD over the last 6 years to get where I am now. It will certainly add up to more than 6K on top of the original purchase price but that cost is spread over those years so it's been acceptable.

I think that KTM have seriously overpriced the 1290 and will have to review this against the competition. Gad knows what they are later going to say to the first customers who have paid this amount for the first batch. Or they will stick to their guns and have a model that is not a big sales success.

Post 2171 by scamb66,

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I might be in the minority, but I don't think the price on the SDR is that high by comparison, especially when one considers standard equipment. Most of the bikes I listed rarely go out the door even close to those prices with the different variations and add-ons many buyers apply.
For instance, the BMW K 1300 S in the Special Edition here in the US with all the add-ons and special paint lists for about $18,700. I'm guessing a well appointed S 1000 R with options will probably go for about $17,000. The Monster 1200 S with a bunch of whiz bang accessories will easily hit $18,000. And the Harleys? Mod prices for those go up starting with the paint.
The Multistrada is well equipped as stock and measures up to the SDR, but the price is killer. The Diavel is pricey too, without much in the way of performance upgrades except TuneBoy maybe, but mostly carbon farkles. A mid-year model with a new dual spark might help.
Anyway....they all have their own personality and offer plenty of choices. I have to agree with shadowman though. I think it's more about "if you want it."

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Post 2173 by Blackduke77,

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Guys down in australia please confirm this about the exhaust, found this on..( 1290superduker site ) Dealer advice: Australian delivery now firming up to "mid February". I was also was told the prototype exhaust can be ordered, despite the Q!

Post 2174 by scamb66,

#2174
Just a quick comparo in Ozzie $$$, SDR is pretty well placed in the market, only really 1-2k off the mark.
Most pricing seems to be what the market can bear when you look at the delta between the Multistrada ($11,195) and the VFR ($991).
People wont pay premium for Japanese bikes whilst European bikes are still held in (marketed) higher regard.
HD are totally differnet market, people usually only buy into the idea of an image and most are not true motorcyclists, so inevitably will pay whatever to achieve 'the dream'.

* KTM 1290 Super Duke R $16,999 AUD$24,990

* KTM 1190 Adventure R $16,799, AUD$24,500

* KTM 1190 RC8 R $16,499, AUD$27,390

* Diavel Dark $17,700, AUD$26,190

* Multistrada S Touring $19,995, AUD$31,190

* Monster 1200 S $15,995 NA

* BMW S 1000 R $15,500 (estimated since price not announced yet) AUD$ no price yet

* BMW R 1200 GS $16,100, AUD$26,964

* BMW K 1300 S $15,750, AUD$24,080

* Tuono V4 R ABS $14,500, $24,790

* Honda VFR1200F (2013) $15,999, AUD$16,990

* Kawasaki Z1000 ABS $11,999, AUD$17,999

* Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE $12,990, AUD$23,990

* H-D V-Rod Muscle $15,849, AUD$26,750

* H-D Fat Bob ABS $16,494, AUD$25,495

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Post 2176 by Stratkat,

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Guess I'll just have to wait but don't want to waste money in buying the ackra then the prototype comes out.!,

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Post 2178 by Paulzilla,

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Aussie Price for the S 1000 R is $18,990 for the base model which is actually the european sports model + $1,150 for the Dynamic package which includes the DDC, heated grips and chin spoiler. All prices confirmed. So all up including on roads you will be in the $22,000 area for one.

Post 2179 by soarsore,

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Just wait until this time next year, I bet there will be a whack of them that have been hardly broken in by people who bought them and then figured it was too much for them to ride. Nearly half price. Lol

Post 2180 by Luxamor,

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Facebook link for the Malaysian journo who binned the 1290

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Post 2182 by MrK,

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I don't know why, but I don't like te look of S1000R. Is... ugly, whatever the price is.

Post 2183 by Lowrance,

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"Form follows functinon" and "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and all that....

The only thing that doesn't impress me with the BMW is the IL4 (I would prefer the sound/width of a V4 or V2) but, by all accounts coming out of Spain, the motor is brilliant. I think this bike will impress come shootout time. Especially when you take into account all of the bennies this bike has and the lower price point. I've always been a bang for the buck kind of guy.

aluminium fuel tank as well.

Come-on shootouts! And of course, test rides. Going to be a long 3 months.

Post 2184 by Stratkat,

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I must admit I'm struggling to come to grips with the headlamp they put on the S1000R. Certainly, the toughest part of a naked bike to make look good as many manufacturers have tried and few have succeeded IMHO. Maybe it's just that I'm used to it now but I actually prefer the look of the front fairing on the Tuono to the S1000R and people give the Tuono holy hell over how ugly the mask is. I so badly want to like the BMW though because it does appear to be a superb all around motorcycle at an extraordinarily reasonable price given all of the techno goodies it comes with. The question I'm still asking myself is how much of that stuff will I actually use? The highly adjustable TC functions and quick shifter are fantastic but would I derive more enjoyment out of fiddling with electronic rider aids more than the feeling of 100 lb/ft of torque that the SD provides with every twist of the wrist? I truly wish the SD's price were more in line with its competitors but in the end I won't let a couple thousand dollars change my mind if I ride the new SD and decide that I prefer it to the Tuono an S1000R. Once you've committed to spend at least $15K on a new motorcycle another $2K shouldn't deter you from getting the bike you like the most. Of course, that implies that the new SD will be that much more fun to ride than either the S1000R or the Tuono and that is yet to be determined for me personally.

Lowrance,
You mentioned the tank on the BMW is metal which is a huge plus for me after having to get my polyamide SD tank replaced a couple of years ago and then having the replacement tank professionally coated in an effort to prevent further ethanol induced deformation. I believe the Tuono still uses a polyamide tank as well but do we know what the SD tank is? It appears to be a polyethylene tank under a painted plastic cover which would be very resistant to ethanol damage but has that been confirmed? God, I hope KTM didn't put another polyamide tank on the new bike after all the problems some of us went through with the first one. A polyethylene tank may actually be a better solution than even a metal tank as they can corrode, etc.

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Post 2186 by Stratkat,

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The tank on the BMW is aluminium...unfortunately this forum will not let me spell it correctly.... No corrosion issues. Don't know what KTM have done with their tank and yes, apparently Aprilia have not learned their lesson with the erlier Tuono's, RSV4s, etc.

Bang for the buck has nothing to do with bargain....and yes, if I prefer the new SD-R I will be purchasing it. It all comes down to the subjective reviews and my personal rinding impressions of the contenders. Nothing else. I will not be swayed by pre-delivery hype or forum opinions. But I typically refuse to pay more for one manufacturer's inferior product over another's superior product....all things considered.

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Post 2189 by Stratkat,

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Have to agree with Rup on this one....these bikes couldn't be much more different from one another. Strat's probably right in that the performance will be very close between the three but they'll all achieve this level of perfomance in different ways.

My ideal biike would be he 1290 motor and brakes (riding position and leg room), the Aprilias work of art swing arm and rising rate linkage (and the mechanical symphony that is the exhaust note), the BMWs electronic/semi active suspension and other electronic goodies (quick shifter, heated grips, cruise control, lap timer, push of a button damping changes, etc, etc, etc) all at the BMWs price point. This bike does not exist so I will have to compromise. But judging by the reports I've read so far there is not much of a compromise no matter which one I choose.

Just got a pricing and projected delivery info from LB BMW. I'll post it under the S1R thread I started.

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Post 2191 by BassAgent,

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Just got off the phone from the dealer and I have been offered the first SDR in West Oz but it's orange. Another 3 week wait for a black one.DILEMMA

**EDIT fook it, orange it is.

Post 2192 by soarsore,

#2192
Found this to be pretty cool (even changed my avatar haha) Thought I'd share!

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Post 2193 by scamb66,

#2193
As someone who named their motorbike from an Anime, that's quite AWESOME!

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Post 2198 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Just seen DMacL's SDR at our local (ish) KTM dealers. It's absolutely beautiful in the flesh. I can't wait to get mine now but delivery has been put back to the end of March . Demand does seem to be outstripping supply at the moment for whatever reason. Pretty frustrating for the dealers as I do believe they have plenty of people keen to buy but a very limited allocation.

Post 2199 by Ruprecht,

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Sorry if this has been posted before, 1290 track day.....watch out race reps

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Post 2201 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Ok so now I have a better idea. Lights on the TC and ABS are off. Lights off means they are on. Lights off and flashing means they are intervening.

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Post 2204 by scamb66,

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Yup. I'm hoping it will harden as it ages; but after only 570 miles there is considerable light marring to the top surface of the paint, which has only been touched by my Scott leathers with no exposed zips, and clean wash cloths. Dealer mentioned that black RC8s had a similar issue.

Post 2205 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2205
i remember sitting on one at the show and thinking that the whole switchgear on the bars was cheap and nasty plastic and would give problems, mind you didnt stopme buying one......

still waiting for the 4th feb to get the cast off then will be like a rat up a drainpipe and straight onto the bike and finally get to run it in.

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Post 2209 by enigma990,

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Finally here it is. Picked it up this morning.

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Managed a 200km shake down weather was a bit warm for it (Sorry DMacL)

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Left over ADR bits from the rear guard
What is the black sticker on the right hand side for???

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First impressions??
Didnt go too hard today, just getting to know each other.
Well its an SD no doubt about it. Feels like one rides like one, instantly at home.
Ergos are good, pegs seem maybe a little higher. First one I sat on at the show was a bit lower as I could flat foot with both feet, this is about the same, tiptoes with both.
Seat is not as shaped as an SD and not as square as an SDR, no real complaints though.
The extra 10kg over my 06 SD is hardly noticeable and still feels like the sub 200kg bike it is.
Brakes are as good as you would expect from Brembo.
Not sure where the suspension settings were at but the ride was nowhere near as harsh as the SD with its settings sitting midway. For road 1290 felt a lot comfier, how it handles the track will have to see.
Pillion accommodation is improved with a bigger seat the does not angle the passenger toward the rider. Bride gives it a thumbs up.
Steering did not feel as agile as the old girl which has a nice skittishness about it under hard acceleration that I enjoy. Felt a little slower in general. The SD is sans damper so that might make a bit of difference.
Fueling is absolutely spot on. As you can see by the middle pic not exactly the coolest of conditions (was actually only about 40C ), hot days and traffic are my 06 worst possible riding conditions, it hates it, fueling is shit, coughs, snatchy, no fun at all. Made no difference at all with the 1290, big plus was that it creates no more heat than a SD and without the fairing direction searing temps to your lower legs of the RC8 it was pretty normal.
Played around a little with the settings but with the 7k rpm restriction it s hardly a noticeable change below that. The couple of times I pushed it a little it was beyond eager.
TBH all the bitching about the settings is in reality only a minor annoyance that a dongle will sort. Takes fook all anyway. Hardly enough to base you decision on whether to purchase it or not.
THis engine is going to be great fun when finally unleashed.
It make fairly good low down power from as little a 3K but likes it better above 4.5k.
At 120kmh the engine is only doing 4k RPM and feels lazy. Gearbox is slick and ratios seem good.
Pipe has a good low note but is nowhere near loud enough, hurry up will you Neo!!!
Summing up, so far I am happy with my purchase even though t really doesnt feel a lot different from my 06 SD, the fun will start once the 7k rev limit has ceased...only 800km to go.

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Post 2213 by shadowman,

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the only black sticker i had with mine was for the swingarm

Post 2214 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2214
Nice one Scram, tho ditto with the Colonel there and hope the tyres melt in that heat you got there at the mo
Look forward to more info

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Post 2216 by Ruprecht,

#2216
Looks great.

When it cools down a bit you are going to have a lot of fun

Looking forward to your report once you have broken it in and eliminated the chicken strips!!

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Post 2219 by Ruprecht,

#2219
Cold wet roads? Great fun! Just watch out for the mud and leaves at random points.

Camera mount is still a bit shit, excuse the vibration.

Post 2220 by shadowman,

#2220
And another.

Post 2221 by Luxamor,

#2221
Hah! The way the vibrations distort the image when you hit the gas gives it a very surreal effect.
Like the 1290 is bending space and time.

Post 2222 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2222
If SD.net had a like button I would have pressed it.

Lousy conditions but great vids - thanks

Post 2223 by Lowrance,

#2223
Thanks for posting the vids DMacL.

Post 2224 by scamb66,

#2224
Fair play dude you were giving it some beans in those conditions. Bigger balls than me. I do like th effect when you get on the gas. It's almost like warp drive Fook that thing goes How is compared to the standard SD power wise??

Post 2225 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2225
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Post 2226 by BassAgent,

#2226
Wodner what the wind-chill factor is at 130mph....

Post 2227 by 2014_SDR,

#2227
I have thick Scott leathers and Sidi Goretex boots, underneath is thermal long johns & socks and thermal top, t-shirt and fleece on top half. Then a fleece/windproof neck muff and a cotton balaclava under my lid. Add winter spec gloves and it's not as cold as you'd think!

(Bit of a pain when you have the squits and need to get out your gear in a hurry though )

Post 2228 by scamb66,

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Fun definitely seem to start post 7000rpm. looks like it would be a great ride in the dry.

& why dont we have a like button??

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Post 2232 by CEREC1,

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I'm not worried. Just know of a guy who got pulled on the strength of video footage on IOM. Spent a night in jail then sent home. Ruined his holiday.

Post 2233 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2233
DMacL I'm sure comments were only meant to protect who ever that rider is from possible strife with the law if they weren't aware that some people have got in trouble from posting to YouTube. Who ever the rider is, I for one am grateful to see that bike performing.

Post 2234 by scamb66,

#2234
Dmacl does you bike come with Data Dot?

Both the 1290 and the wifes 390 have KTM ID (Data Dot) supplied by KTM Australia, it's a great initiative and would be nice to see that KTM are doing it worldwide.

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Post 2243 by kevxtx,

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3 X 1290's in Springwood show room here in Brisbane.

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Post 2246 by 2014_SDR,

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Where's mine! if they have started to show up in Oz, then I want to know why I haven't had a call, I have an order in.

That's it, first thing in the morning I am on the phone to dealer

Post 2247 by gringo,

#2247
He he! One is mine but came in when I had to go away for work ah well it's waiting for me to get back. Just hope there isn't any bodily fluids all over it by the time I'm back lol

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Post 2250 by ebags,

#2250
Yes saw it but does not work on the 1190, when the signal goes open circuit on the 1190 from the rear sensor the electronic adjustable suspension is also is affected, so you need to change the input hall affect signal to the ABS ECU & create a new signal so you don't get all the lights on the dash & only the yellow ABS light will come on with no warnings.

Post 2251 by MrK,

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Post 2254 by scamb66,

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Can I ask all our Australian owners how much there insurance costs are and who are they are insured with - I have a feeling the insurance costs are going to hurt when I get mine

Post 2255 by SuperHoon,

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Post 2256 by jmann,

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Umm ... both of mine are with QBE because they were prepared to extend my original "cheap" price to both. I think it is also about $450 each. Shannons on the other hand wanted about $900 each because they are in the "high risk" category based on the number of previous write-offs. At the time there was something like 41 in Oz of which they'd had claims on 23!!! We have a rider here in SA who is single handedly trying to triple the insurance premiums.

Post 2257 by scamb66,

#2257
$450! Is that for comprehensive insurance on the 1290!
I was quoted $1250 by QBE for an RC8 so how come the 1290 is only $450 for you guys - I'm confused
I guess I will have to give them another call - yippee I love insurance companies.............

Post 2258 by kevxtx,

#2258
$434 with QBE but I'm old, good driving record and no accidents. This is about the same as the 990.

Post 2259 by Lowrance,

#2259
[quote="Ruprecht"][quote="speedfiend41"]Ha! Fair call Rup. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. It's in the South Rd dealer - the one that used to sell Ducati.[/quote]

Ah right. I just rode past Kessner, and it looked like they might have one as well, but barely visible through the glass.[/quote]

Yeah, they've got one.

Post 2260 by kevxtx,

#2260
anyone want to swap a rc8r for a 1290? haha fook i'm jealous.

when do we find out who wins the 1290's from KTM?

Post 2261 by fatbob,

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Post 2262 by ebags,

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My mistake. I didn't realise that we were talking exclusively 1290's. If it makes a difference just say it's a Superduke.

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Post 2269 by jmann,

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Almost forgot!!


I think I also get the prize for the first warranty replacement.

My dealer noticed this before it left their shop, took some pictures amd have a new one on the way (although im sure ill be waiting a while.. ah well).

Go check your Dukes boys! Front of seat, little tears.



Post 2270 by ebags,

#2270
Umm looks like a sharp edge under there... Hope it's not part of the moulding.

Good luck.

Post 2271 by ktm08,

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Post 2273 by ebags,

#2273
Nice article, is that Tead's old man?


“I think, in general, the standard bike is off the roof. It can be improved with the race chassis, that means changed suspension struts or fork, that KTM is offering for EUR 3,200. The question is, if I could really take advantage of these adaptations. Even the really fast riders wait and see how they get along and if you really need the upgrade. Another possibility is to have the standard parts reworked, that would maybe amount to EUR 600 or EUR 800.”


Sensible bloke too.

Post 2274 by sexparty,

#2274
Went for a wee run without the end can on the exhaust today. Sounds good at idle and when revving it, but a bit too droney when riding.

I'd imagine this will be similar.

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Post 2277 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2277
sat on a customers that came in the other day and my mind was made up! my order is in and my bike is coming march 3rd.

cant wait to get it to phillip island and rip around on it. still cant believe how light and balanced the bike felt. was really expecting it to feel a lot bigger and heavier from the stance and presence it has.

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Post 2282 by jmann,

#2282
I was told $25k ride-away.

Post 2283 by ebags,

#2283
I paid $24890 ride away with free 1k service. Already done a full oil service kit at 200km now just waiting for 1k.

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Post 2286 by Ducati Pete,

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As the weather is dry I rang KTM Centre today looking to take The Beast out tomorrow, All good but she's still not run in yet and they are getting an Akra for it next week so think I'm going to wait until then.

Post 2287 by ebags,

#2287
Didn't they fit the press bikes with KR series slicks?
They are slightly different sizes than the Dunlop road tyres I think.

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Post 2293 by ebags,

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An engine is an engine....aluminium is aluminu and steel is steel. Using dead dinos in lieu of man made will have no adverse affect on your engine...will have the opposite affect actually.

Post 2294 by sexparty,

#2294
This topic is like poking a religious nut with a scolding brand of an opposing belief. All I can tell you is I have run all my bikes in using non synthetic oil and have never had a problem with oil consumption.

Your dealer may be anal about switching out the oil and not starting the bike at all during pre-delivery. It's a good sign when they are flexible here as they are already working for you before they have even given you the keys and not for the manufacturer.

Post 2295 by jmann,

#2295
Okey dokey, lets mix this up.

When I bought my Husaberg new, the clear instructions from the dealer was to run in the engine on mineral, only once run in do you swop the oil for synthetic. The idea being the synthetic is too good to enable the engine to fully bed in, I seem to recall he mentioned something about the bores would not bed in, they would be too smooth with synthetic and the bike would end up using more oil once the engine had bedded in.

I followed the instructions, the Husaberg was good.

I am not saying I would do that on a Superduke.

Post 2296 by ktmguy,

#2296
There is another factor to take in to consideration in the mineral/synthetic oil run in debate. Namely carbon... yes carbon. It is not the grinding of metal on metal that beds the rings in!
An engine need an amount of carbon in the oil to act like a honing media. So even changing the oil too early after the first change will prolonge running in period.
Theoretically the type of oil you use doesn't matter as the oil keeps metal moving bits appart, yes synthetic does a better job, so true faster bed in on mineral oil. Then again with the good quality of mineral oil you probably put in, that might make not much of a difference. Unless you want to trow in rubbish oil which will ruin other bits like your gearbox or so.
The carbon in the oil is a product from the burnt petrol hence LPG engines are almost impossible to bed in on LPG alone. On dual fuel the recommendation is to do at least 2500km on petrol or it will never bed in. I have seen dedicated LPG engines with 75000 km and the bores/rings are not seated.
Also why the fuss about nikasil suddenly, it has been arround for decades. The normal engineering point of view is if you use hard cyl bore material you make the rings softer or the other way round, like chrome rings in normal cast bores.
Honestly don't know what you guys worry about, is this a more special engine than other bikes?
Go out and ride it if you have a new one. If it is anything like a 990 the oil consumption will stop after a good trash.
If I get one I stick to good synthetic oil to safeguard the rest of the engine, the bore/rings will bed in eventually.
Tip from a guy who designed engines (not me). After a ride during the running in period stop the engine and after that push the starter button without restarting it. Why you asked?
Engines stop always at the same point, to avoid marking the bores at that point, push the starter button to make it random.
As mentioned got this from a German engine designer, he was on to something as the cars he owned alway lasted for ever and didn't burn oil.

Post 2297 by ebags,

#2297
Lost my license for 6 months whoever is number 4 on the list at Moto Adelaide is about to get an unexpected phone call. Enjoy it you lucky bastard
Deposit is shifted to a 2015 model now sometime at the end of the year

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Post 2299 by jmann,

#2299
ok fellas, answer this for me then.
if mineral oil is what some of you are recommending for seating rings etc, why - oh why, would KTM not recommend doing this?
why would they fill the 1290 from the factory with synthetic????

we bought a new Scion TC and it had synthetic right off the floor, the first oil change, and subsequent changes thereafter, specified in the manual is 10,000 miles.
why?

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Post 2302 by Lowrance,

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If ktmguy doesn't support it, I don't support it.

Post 2303 by ktmguy,

#2303
Obviously you all know more than the thousands of high performance engine builders throughout the country...and the world for that matter.

Or, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, BMW?, Ducati?, etc, etc, etc.

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Post 2308 by SDNerd,

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Lots of old wives tales in here I think.

Mine's beenonun in hard on whatever oil is in it, and It's not needed a top up yet, with a thousand miles on the clock.

The best way to run an engine in is the way you're happy doing it. Arguing on the internet about it just wastes electrons!

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Post 2311 by scamb66,

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Seems there's at least one in the USA already

Post 2312 by cdlabate,

#2312
LOL - Greg ... He was at STAR as an instructor this last December (@CVR) - we tortured him with stupid-ass questions whenever he threw up a video for analysis. Dude loved to hear himself talk.

I digress ... There are certainly more than one SD 1290 in the US already ... Just none yet in stealer's hands; looks like that one was straight out of KTM's N.A. HQ in Murrieta, CA. Those are roads in the vicinity of KTM, mostly a bit further south, around Temecula, etc. Tract housing hell along that 15 corridor.

Post 2313 by scamb66,

#2313
Arrived home after 8 days away to find a little puddle of oil underneath the bike, not quite sure where it coming from at the moment. On start up had the service screen flashing at me so off to the dealers for a reset.

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Post 2316 by scamb66,

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Just back from a 100km ride this morning couple of small things of note. The ride by wire is actually harder on my wrist than the old SD with throttle bodies is and at 180km/h I can still sit nice and upright. The gauge acts as a pretty good screen and deflects the wind nicely. THe engine is so lazy that anyone not contemplating going over 200kmh here is plenty of scope to go up a tooth or two at the back. There doesn't appear to be much use for 6th gear at legal(ish) hwy speeds.

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Post 2318 by ebags,

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I've just done an initial 150 Kms.

First thing is: If you've ridden an older SD then this is just another SD with more balls. You get on and the seat is a little lower and a bit more embracing but you feel right at home. It has no learning curve for previous SD owners.

I rode mine in Sports mode and while things are still a little tight you can feel it's going to have a shit load of power when it's run-in and not limited to 6kRPM. As stated by everyone else it's got bags of Torque but thats normal for a SD (we are after all not all newly converted IL4 evangelists ).

As per any SD the handling is really very good - you just have to think about a shove on the bars and the bike says "Ok I'm lying down here so what are you doing up there, you coming with me or what?". Front brake very good. Don't use a back brake much so won't comment.

Gearbox sounds a bit agricultural but has lovely shifts. In fact, I often found myself thinking that I'd missed a shift as first to second is so slick.
Around town 4th gear is the max. At freeway speeds (and slightly above) 5th feels comfortable. 6th will be license territory when anywhere near on the gas.On the over-run the engine sounds a bit clackity.

On the down side had to call in at the dealers because the indicators seemed to be not working reliably. My feeling is that it is the dicky thumb switch on the multi-function block. I saw an error message pop up multiple times - something like "General Failure" but nothing showed up on the dealer computer. The dealer felt that it was user error Anyway spent and hour or so running in and changing lanes on the Freeway and the best I can get to reliable indicators is to push the button NE (right) and SW (left) but it is not a reliable method. Problem is you spend so much time dicking around with the switch that you discover you've nearly run up the exhaust pipe of an 18 wheeler!!! THIS fooking SWITCH IS REALLY BAD KTM!!!
As an aside you also discover that in all that dicking you've somehow managed to turn high beam on. - Don't know why they fixed the perfectly reasonable system that WAS working.

The SAS valve plates look like they will be a pinch of piss to remove

Overall, a very pleasant bike to ride. Good ergonomics, plenty of grunt and a new can and re-map will eventually fix the persona problem.

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Post 2320 by Ducati Pete,

#2320
I've found that 6th is quite happy at 2500-3000rpm just cruising along at 70mph, or 5000rpm at 100mph. Handy if you go on long runs I suppose, and there's such a big difference from 5th I think it's always going to feel like you bog the engine even with different sprockets

Post 2321 by TLS_Russ,

#2321
Picked mine up today, couple of things, hate the side stand it is all too close, nearly knocked it in gear trying to put the stand down and for some reason the high beam switch is too easy to select and I keep turning the high beam on. Probably when braking, WTF is that front brake all about, nearly threw me over the bars when I was a bit hard on it.

Already have small number plate holder, not that impressed, had to drill both holes out where indicators fit as they were too small and it is made for those big arse European number plates, so had to take the hacksaw to it and cut it down for Oz plates and this is straight from KTM.

Rest of my parts, seats, frame crash pads and carbon goodies are not going to be here for a couple of months, what's the go with that, we are in Oz not on the moon

What's the pressure setting and damping on that dash, mine has the setting but doesn't appear to display anything, oh and anyone know how to turn clock onto 12hr, can't stand 24hr

Other than that bike is awesome, brutal midrange, but that was too be expected

Oh and anyone seen any quality tank protectors for one yet, doesn't look like KTM are going to release one

Post 2323 by sexparty,

#2323
[url][/url]www.drysdalemotorcycles.co.uk/.../ktm-tank-protection-sticker

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#2325

Post 2326 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2326
well I wanted to show everyone my painted wheels but apparently im not allowed to set up my own album... don't know why?

Post 2328 by jmann,

#2328
You need a minimum 500 posts, OR, 50 000 winks.

Ask Russ for some of his winks, although be warned, he'll bum you.

Post 2329 by MrK,

#2329
I decided to wait a year or so. I like new Duke, but want to hear some feedback from users first. There wiull be some glitches, very minor hopefully, what may be sorted by KTM later on. I know I will buy one, but I still enjoy so much my SDR, so I can wait a bit

Post 2331 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2331
I've just added those to the Must Read thread Kev.

Post 2332 by kevxtx,

#2332
No worries.

Post 2333 by MrZ32,

#2333
Thanks for the input guys. .. been very caught up lately in racing in the dh and gravity enduro series but as I'm out for a while due to injuries and thought it was about to catch up on this as is still in the back of my mind

But damn it looks great and another friends of mine tried one. .. weird thing is she felt her pannigale had more torque

Post 2334 by scamb66,

#2334
Got a surprise call from I90 Motorsports in Issaquah, Washington which is close to Seattle. Dealer told me they are getting two bikes in mid February! Much sooner than I was expecting. I called and put down a deposit many months ago. At that time I was 2nd on the list and judging by how the dealer was talking to me I am now first. I am getting the orange one. Will update once I get the bike! Price before taxes, etc is 16,999.

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Post 2336 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2336
Ok whilst I am bagging out the 1290.................
In some guys minds this will obviously be a win buuuut..............over the last two days I have had the MTC and ABS fail bout 5 times , cant miss it as the screen will constantly flash to remind you/

So
Fail 1...service reset itself and called for a service due (which the dealer screwed up and reset it for an additional 1000 km on top of the 400 km already completed).
Fail 2...mysterious oil puddle underneath. (maybe that is keeping with SD tradition to allow a mild oil leak on the lower left hand side).
Fail 3...continuous MTC/ABS fail
all that and the fact my mate set the language to Deutsch..mein gott!!!

Post 2337 by Lowrance,

#2337
I get where you're coming from but won't a better comparison come when she's run in and has a can on it? Part of the joy about the 990 is the noise. It all adds to the overall feeling of what the bike is. With the standard cans on its just not the same bike at all.

All those gremlins must be bloody annoying though Guess this is what can happen with a brand new model though.

Post 2338 by SDNerd,

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Post 2340 by Luxamor,

#2340
The fact that you openly believe that character only means failures speaks volumes about yourself. Good thing your opinion is just that.

Post 2341 by scamb66,

#2341
I see truth in what both SDNerd and BassAgent express. These are engineers and companies making a device. Remarkable devices at that.
Human beings have faults too, whether genetic or making poor judgement, but I don't give up on them either. There are too many variables involved in this type of luxury investment and it is still my decision whether I roll with enthusiasm and dedication or someone just looking to cash my check. When it comes to BMW and Hondas, for example, I have plenty of experience. Humans...lots of input there too.
Now I make a personal choice to jump in and trust in a work ethic and history or learn to be patient with failings after I have made my choice.
This is true in love, politics, consumerism and chance in general. Life is an adventure and I'm still researching this brief interlude. I'll be cool with it either way. There are too many other important things to be more concerned about than which motorcycle gives me the right level of therapy to help cope with the rest of my life.
Yes...this purchase won't be about utility or practicality for me... this will be about escape and fun (and as little regret as possible).

Post 2342 by DribbleDuke,

#2342
In the last 10 years of riding I progressed from a CBR 250 RR to a 2005 Yamaha R1 to a Ducati 1098s and now the 1290r. I decided last night after a spirited ride that the 1290r is everything I've been looking for in a road bike. It's powerful, feels light and flickable and getting off after a long ride doesn't feel like you've been wrestling a bull. To me this bike is the holy grail of street riding - the perfect balance of power delivery, comfort and style.

I feel like I could never go back to a typical sportsbike after the 1290r, it's just too much fun and so precise and smooth. I'm going to look after this bike for a long time, I can't imagine wanting anything better and I can't ask for more from this bike. For me, it's perfect.

Anyway falling in love with it more and more each ride, I highly recommend this bike to anyone looking a street weapon.

Cheers,
Jeremy

Post 2343 by jmann,

#2343
Can anyone point me in the direction of websites offering aftermarket parts for the 1290r? I'm struggling to find anything online. Need a fender eliminator first and foremost..

Cheers,
Jeremy

Post 2344 by scamb66,

#2344
Just got a call from my dealer stating bike will arrive in mid march and price is 16,999.00. I am first on the list, but having second thoughts. I have always said never by first year of a new bike, but the 1290 is the first bike that has made me to break that rule. However, some of the issues new owners are posting are making me nervous and rethinking that sticky to my golden rule might be wide. Although minor issues, but honestly should not be occurring.

Decisions, decisions, decisions!

Post 2345 by 2014_SDR,

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Post 2346 by SDNerd,

#2346
Not that this means a whole lot when it comes to street riding but today I was watching the 1000PS YouTube acceleration tests between the S1000R and the Super Duke 1290. The S1000R was faster to 100KPH at just under 3.5 seconds vs. the Super Duke's 4.0 seconds but the Super Duke was faster to 200KPH at 8.0 seconds vs. the S1000R at approx. 8.4+. I guess the KTM is a little harder to launch than the BMW but the higher horsepower KTM reels in the BMW fairly quickly after that. The KTM also posted slightly faster acceleration times with the traction control on.

Post 2348 by scamb66,

#2348
Anyone found a way to view tyre pressure on the information screen? Or does it just alert you when it's low?

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Post 2352 by scamb66,

#2352
It is really only a remnant insofar as the settings screen has an entry for Tyre Pressure Bar or PSI.

More of an issue when you can't change out of Sports mode or indicator switch only selects intermittently so that you always have to check that its on and if it isn't then fanny around (eyes off the road) trying to get it to switch on. It's great going into a corner or a roundabout trying to let other people know what you are going to do. VERY DANGEROUS...

Post 2353 by sexparty,

#2353
plus you are making me very nervous as i have put a deposit down and have to wait until august lol

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Post 2355 by jmann,

#2355
yup could have got orange in 2 months or yeah black in august

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Post 2357 by sexparty,

#2357
black ? put a sizable deposit down

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Post 2361 by ebags,

#2361
Well of course there is no flasher unit - it's all CanBus however I'm not going mad and have been able to replicate the problem:
I think I know the cause but will test later as I should probably turn up at work.
I must make the observation that the message is really useful and it doesn't apparently turn up in the onboard error listing but at least the dealer might believe me now...


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Post 2364 by Grendel,

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Motorcycle-USA REVIEW.

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Post 2367 by jmann,

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Ok to add a little balance. The positives are that this bike is going to be a giant killer in the longer term. Even while taking it easy for the run-in it just falls into corners and literally blasts out the other side. Once run-in it'll be making the IL4's looking like they are on Zimmer Frames. It's got so much grunt that even choosing the wrong gear for the reduced revs proves no problem - it just blasts out the other side. If you want to slow down those brakes just slow down without any sign of fade.
It looks the money. Even the female literary pretenders at the coffee shops get a hungry look in their eyes when you ride by (I kid you not).
It WILL be a giant killer its just not there yet. KTM spent all of their time focussing on the image rather than the reality so just like the other Dukes it'll be up to the True Believers to make it happen.

PS pass that CanBus manual will you

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Post 2371 by Crotchrockety,

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Glad it's not just me with the high beam switch!!!

Leaking oil around the sump plug too, apparently they forgot the washer on some of the 1190adventures, and I suspect the same here.

Can forgive all for the rest of the bike, it's like the best of my RC8 and 990sd all rolled into one fooking glorious package. The real only problem I see is when will the others get ridden now??

I have a full system on order due in march/April at $4400 (ouch) but the RC8 exhaust cost $5800 (more ouchy) , can't wait to see what that magnificent top end is like then !!

P.S even the Dunlops fitted standard seem ok, ha

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Post 2374 by scamb66,

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Hello all! i've had two 640's, two 950's, a 990 smr that just sold and now my SD will be here in a month or so they tell me (british columbia). as i have a partially paralyzed left hand from my pro motocross days i love a rekluse clutch. will the one from my 990smr go into the 1290? thanks and what great info in this forum! here's a few photo's of what i get up to in the mtn's of beautiful BC.







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Post 2377 by ebags,

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Actually, Just need to point out that the minor irritations are all part of the fun for me. A chance to fiddle and fix. So long as they are only minor irritations and don't turn into major issues. Hey I've still got legs which is better than the poor bloke down the road that came off his R1 last year ...

Post 2378 by jmann,

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First quiter, read reason for selling.
Ahhhh the shame
Up your way Jmann, pay him a visit.

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Post 2381 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Talking about the clutch, what is the slip like on the 1290? Can you stomp it down a couple of gears and not have to worry about the rear getting out of shape?

Post 2382 by jmann,

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Yup. That's what I meant about it being brilliant.

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Post 2391 by OZsuperduker,

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Hi all

I am new to the world of KTM ownership and wanted to get some thoughts from you biased bunch.
I am hoping some responses will carry some maturity and experience with them also (might be too much to ask from a public forum)

I am an aussie like many here based out of Melbourne.
Been riding a bike for the past 6 years
Started on a little VTR250 before LAMS came in and currently riding a VMAX juggernaut.
Love my Vmax despite what many think of the bike here, I read some opinions which are completely unfounded and based on vapourware.
But I don't expect any more from a public forum. Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. I digress

The reason I am here is to pick the brains of you lot about the SD.
In short I want one. I love the look and its at the top of my list for my next bike
Now bare in mind I am not one of those guys who wants to own multiple bikes. Been there done that and for some reason my ass can't be on two bikes at the same time no matter how hard I try.
So I choose not to pay double of everything (rego, insurance, etc …) So I need a bike that will do it all when I have time to ride

My VMAX puts out 203SAE HP & 182nm of torque at the rear wheel
Its heavily modified from stock and is an absolute monster. Spent 5 wonderful years with her and she's never put me down or left me by the side of the road
having said that all good things have to come to an end and the sun has set on my time with the VMAX

The VMAX wasn't without flaws:

- Crap range (15L tank) good for 165kms - had to carry a bladder or an auxiliary tank
- simply could not cope in the real tight stuff (was never made to)
- she is a lot of bike to pull up when you are going 280kms down a straight even with the upgraded brembos I had on there

What I am looking to fix going to a SD

- not have to worry about fuel stops any more. This was the pain of VMAX's existence. Will I get at least 250kms of of the bike on longer trips?
- I wanted an upright bike. I don't want to be slouched over hour after hour. I am not buying a bike for a track
- after a vmax I want something light, nimble. I don't want to have another BMW GS or touring bikes that weight in at around 250kgs
- I want a bike that has a presence. That's a tick right there I think
- a bike that will not make me left disappointed after coming from a VMAX. When I go on a ride I want to be excited, to let down as my time is limited. I am hoping that 100kg less weight will make an equal power field
- I am big on torque and the IL4's just don't do it. I am hoping from everything read that the SD ticks that box
- I Don't want my hands vibrating off from this V-twin. This is probably going to be the biggest pet peeve of mine coming from a smooth like butter V4. For those of you that have the 1290 already can you please give me your honest opinion?
- because I only own one bike that has to do it all will I be able to stretch the SD to do: Touring days 600kms, city riding, occasional track day,
- what is the KTM service like in this country? Are parts readily available? I have a friend with a 1190 adv R and he had all sort of problems with his bike on quality control. I hope the SD is better

I am sorry if this is a long post, but Its better having it all in a single post than over 50 posts asking million questions is my thinking

By the way I have one on order and it will be here early march. So I am getting cold feet. I'd rather lose the deposit than be stuck with a bike I will not enjoy
So your feedback is very much appreciated on the matter

Cheers beers
Kris


PS: Picture of my vmax

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Post 2392 by scamb66,

#2392
Hi Kris
Hope this answers a few of your questions, as we are all individuals nad have different tastes I am not going to tell you to buy a 1290, that is entirely up to you so I have tried to be subjective in my answers and just give you the facts.
BTW helps to put your location in your profile, just so we know if we need to type faster or slower so you can keep up.

-- not have to worry about fuel stops any more. This was the pain of VMAX's existence. Will I get at least 250kms of of the bike on longer trips?
250km seems to be fairly easy target, not sure how accurate the 'distance to empty' is but if accurate should be good for approx 300km
- I wanted an upright bike. I don't want to be slouched over hour after hour. I am not buying a bike for a track
No issues here, good for al day.
- after a vmax I want something light, nimble. I don't want to have another BMW GS or touring bikes that weight in at around 250kgs
At sub 200kg fully fuelled it is wonderfully light, exhaust mods and a few other thing should see this drop to below 190kg.
- I want a bike that has a presence. That's a tick right there I think
Turns heads and has some street cred.
- a bike that will not make me left disappointed after coming from a VMAX. When I go on a ride I want to be excited, to let down as my time is limited. I am hoping that 100kg less weight will make an equal power field
DOubt you will be dissappointed, might not have the massive acceleration of the V-Max (what does though) but you can at least go around corners
- I am big on torque and the IL4's just don't do it. I am hoping from everything read that the SD ticks that box
Great torque delivery from 2.5-3k right through the rev range
- I Don't want my hands vibrating off from this V-twin. This is probably going to be the biggest pet peeve of mine coming from a smooth like butter V4. For those of you that have the 1290 already can you please give me your honest opinion?
KTM's seem to have relatively light cranks that enable the engine to spin up quickly and can sit all day at hwy speeds without the usual nasty v-twin vibes.
- because I only own one bike that has to do it all will I be able to stretch the SD to do: Touring days 600kms, city riding, occasional track day,
Tick, tick and tick.
- what is the KTM service like in this country? Are parts readily available? I have a friend with a 1190 adv R and he had all sort of problems with his bike on quality control. I hope the SD is better
Parts are easy to come by service depends on the dealer (same as any bike) . Quality over all is good beside the occasionial niggles, read through this (long) thread and you should get an idea.
I am sorry if this is a long post, but Its better having it all in a single post than over 50 posts asking million questions is my thinking

By the way I have one on order and it will be here early march. So I am getting cold feet. I'd rather lose the deposit than be stuck with a bike I will not enjoy
So your feedback is very much appreciated on the matter

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Post 2397 by ebags,

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I can be a bit on the cautious side from time to time (eg switchgear and dash issues) but that vibration excuse is bullsh|t!!!
I haven't tested one yet but I did rode the 1190 ADV and the engine is MUCH smoother than the 990! No vibrations at all for a V-twin.
That chap is full of cr...!

Post 2398 by OZsuperduker,

#2398
He is coming from an inline four and those things are like turbines. V-twin sport bikes are for real men

Post 2399 by scamb66,

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Stick a camera on the bike and watch how often the traction control light flickers - it's more than you realise! Well, maybe not for you people currently enjoying summer, but on cold shitty roads over here it's definitely needed.

I'm looking forward to dry warm roads to try the bike with everything switched off. I expect it'll like to go sideways...

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Post 2403 by ebags,

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Ha ha...... Dongle......






Please ignore my immaturity......

Post 2404 by Lowrance,

#2404
To clear up the dongle debate.

The bike remembers the mode setting without any dongle.

The dongle remembers the ABS and TC settings.

Post 2405 by Lowrance,

#2405
So maybe I misunderstand how the electronics work. I thought the traction control level was a direct result of your mode setting.

Rain - intrusive
Street - Less intrusive
Sport - Even less TC intervention
TC Off - No intervention

The reports coming out of Spain stated that when TC was turned off, if the engine was shut off and restarted the mode resorted back to Street (including ABS being turned back on if it was off). Is this not the case?

The reports also stated that when the dongle is used, if TC is off and you resart the moter the TC stays off, or Sport if in Sport, ABS in SM mode will remain on etc.

Post 2406 by Ducati Pete,

#2406
Not quite.

The bike's mode is Rain/Street/Sport, which affects TC intervention level and fly-by-wire throttle slope.

It's also possible to turn TC on and off, in any of the three modes. It's just occurred to me that I should test whether, for example, Rain mode and TC off still keeps the rain mode throttle slope or if it goes to sport.

Then the ABS is independently selectable between on, supermoto (front wheel only) and off.

Video I made, not quite to the point of this discussion but might give you more of an idea.

Post 2407 by ebags,

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Got it. I stand corrected.

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Post 2409 by aracheon,

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Can't be very comfy using the computer standing? I prefer to sit corrected.

Post 2410 by 2014_SDR,

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Yep, sport mode, mtc switched off, abs on motard (that can be annoying as abs light flashes all the time). the traction control being off is bad enough as that light is on all the time, I can live with that, the flashing is starting to bug me though

Post 2411 by CEREC1,

#2411
With the traction control set to ON, which light flickers when the TC is activated?

I've not yet hooked up the GoPro to see that.

Post 2412 by aracheon,

#2412
The right hand one I think, in this vid a few times. Which is the TC light.

Post 2413 by CEREC1,

#2413
I was so sure I would be buying this 1290 as soon as it was available. It's just too expensive considering the spec and what you would want to spend to make it special.
Roll on 2015. Cheaper price from KTM and I'm likely to reconsider.

Post 2414 by jmann,

#2414
Waited for the rain to stop then got out for a 250Km ride in the sun (still only 500Kms) on the clock.

Starting to love this bike. It really is just a more gutsy version of the bike we've all come to love (and hate). I'm sure the same will apply to the 1290R.

Didn't exceed the country speed limit but it just wants to go and go. No head shake but an adjustable steering damper would be good but not absolutely necessary. The clutch and brakes are superb. Actually, the engine is as well but of course, it is only just starting to find its feet at 6kRPM. I don't know what all this shit is about vibrations. If anything one feels the vibrations down low BECAUSE it is a big lumpy V twin. At low speed you can almost count the compression strokes - just like bikes of old Eg Vincent HRD. With a little bit of gas it's welcome back to the 20th Century. That's what V twins are about.

Have solved my issue with the indicator switch. I'm not sure whether the switch loosened up or by practicing in the garage I've managed to learn the correct technique. Either way I can now indicate what I'm about to do.

I've been thinking about the implications of the CanBus. I'm thinking it would be simple for KTM to add active suspension. Also it would probably be quite straight forward to add something like cruise control simply by sending the correct messages to the Central Electrical System Control Unit (CESU).

As an illustration of what is happening on the bike network it is illuminating to turn off the ignition key on the run. The answer is nothing because the (CESU) knows that the bike is still moving (getting messages on the network) so it just ignores the ignition key. When the bike stops the message is acknowledged and the engine turns off (magic). The kill switch does what you'd expect. I imagine that most of the devices work like this for example the indicators. The indicators have no mechanical or electronic relay that I can see. I think they just respond to messages that say "turn on" ... "now turn off" Etc. It's really just a small Airbus 380.

Got home and took one of the 990SD's out for a little ride as an AB comparison. Result: the 990SD is still a great bike and feels wonderful but it hasn't got quite the same punch as a 1290R. Also nearly tripped over a traffic light line as the front brake seemed to have much less stopping power than the 1290R. Horses for courses. Both great bikes.

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Post 2417 by kirves,

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Certainly not disrespecting anybodies riding skills but when i used to race once i learnt to relax on the bike and not be so tense its amazing how much better the bike handled,its amazing how much the bike will sort out itself if your not fighting it.

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Post 2420 by OZsuperduker,

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There is a black 1290 for sale sitting in Pro Motorcycles, Kunda Park, Sunshine Coast, Queensland if anyone is looking for one.
They have a black demo bike as well if you want to take it for a spin first.

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Post 2422 by Megatron09,

#2422
My VMAX puts out 203SAE HP & 182nm of torque at the rear wheel
Its heavily modified from stock and is an absolute monster. Spent 5 wonderful years with her and she's never put me down or left me by the side of the road
having said that all good things have to come to an end and the sun has set on my time with the VMAX


PS: Picture of my vmax

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Really nice looking bike there. What have you done to get so much hp and torgue out of it?

Post 2423 by Luxamor,

#2423
Finally picked mine up as i was out on shift for 3 weeks, Now........3klms on the clock, better run it in eh

Post 2424 by ktmguy,

#2424
Hi guys, I feel very comfortable on my 1290r but after coming from sportsbikes I'd like to learn more about the difference in body positioning through a corner etc on this style of bike.

Any tips or articles to share?

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Post 2427 by scamb66,

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Had a computer hooked up to the bike to try and reset the ABS/MTC fail. Lasted 2 km before it came up again.
Still havent found the source of the oil leak. Not massive but still annoying.
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Post 2429 by ktmguy,

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Got the chance to see and sit on the 1290 at the Toronto Motorcycle Show.

While I'm still not super-impressed with the dash placement, everything else is beautiful! Colour me impressed and as far as I'm concerned, it was the star of the show. If I stand true to form, I'll have one in 3 years.

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Post 2431 by BassAgent,

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Hello.
This is not my.....I want share becouse it loooks sooo tasty
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Post 2432 by scamb66,

#2432
Scamb66 - Just a thought: There's a connector for the traction control sensor that is cable-tied to the frame on the right-hand side up near the can for the swingarm shock. Is it possible that you've grabbed the frame and dislodged it slightly (or damaged the cable) while fitting the GP3 can? It's straight above the catalytic converter up near the rear shocker can.

Good luck.

Post 2433 by scamb66,

#2433
Definitely need the orange/white wheels to go with the orange/white bike. makes a huge positive difference aesthetically

Post 2434 by BassAgent,

#2434
Have now seen both the orange and black in the flesh the black is definately the way to go imo

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Post 2441 by sexparty,

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G'day boys.......Just wanted to inform anybody out there who has oil leaking.
My first ride and I saw the sump was full of oil, seemed to me leaking from the drain plug.
Took it back to the dealer who drained the oil and changed the Oring, rode the bike home and it was leaking more than ever.
Went to a different dealer who found that the stator gasket was allowing oil to seep, they changed the gasket and the bike is dry.
Very disappointing that the quality control in Austria is lacking, seems that there are a few bike out there with leaking oil problems.
Other than that, this bike is a blast.

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Post 2443 by scamb66,

#2443
Here is some nother youtube video if Beast
2014 KTM 1290 Super Duke R Review - MotoUSA

Post 2444 by soarsore,

#2444
Hopefully picking mine up this weekend !

Post 2445 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2445
Lets but some pic in here also...
Here is some Bike-magazine in sweden, they do some mod at Beast
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And here is some cafe racers
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Post 2446 by cheeheese,

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Image i theorise that this exhaust would fit or a variant ??

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Post 2448 by Ducati Pete,

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Grab from Birth of the 1290 on youtube

Post 2449 by ebags,

#2449
Looks like the lucky winners have been chosen, anyone here? I guess I never had a chance since I am not 30-35 and I live in the U.S. Congrats to these lucky guys!
More on the story at the special #8 tab http://www.1290superduker.com/cms/

Post 2450 by ebags,

#2450
Baron Von Grumble is a very clever choice. His YouTube Chanel is very funny and gets a lot of viewers. I'll invite him to join the forum.

Post 2451 by ebags,

#2451
Baron has his elbow down as good as a 21 year old spanish kid and they give him the touring set up.

Challenge accepted.

Post 2452 by Lowrance,

#2452
I do enjoy his youtube vlogs. Good marketing right there

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Post 2454 by ebags,

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Just got off the phone with Mary at GCC. They are making every effort to get a mould made up for the 1290. If you're after a high quality carbon fiber tank pad look no further! I had one on my R1 and the quality is top notch.

Check out the current offering for the RC8R with a similar tank.

Post 2455 by sexparty,

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interesting doesn't say anything about remembering TC settings? Anyone have one yet?

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Post 2458 by fatbob,

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has anyone left their ignition on for 5 minutes without the engine running yet?
I did on my 1190 and the traction control and all the other shite killed it dead , I couldnt fooking start it , it wouldnt bump with 2 fat blokes and a big hill either , ended up jumping it off a car when all else failed....
be warned do not leave it on

Post 2459 by Megatron09,

#2459
Hi guys, BC, Canada checking In (long time lurker, first time posting)... Can anyone chime in on weather or not the North American models have led turn indicators? The bikes I saw at the Vancouver bike show had conventional bulbs, and several American reviews I've seen have pictures of the bike wearing the same ugly gear. Legality reasons?
...deposit down on a black 1290, can't wait for spring.

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Post 2465 by Katoom1290,

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aprillia's tuano v4r is about as much a naked as i am a teapot

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Post 2468 by AGRO!,

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Well today I finally thought I would have a look at a 1290 SD.
I went to the moto shop with my son and we were really undecided on what we thought of it to me it looks more like something from transformers and my son who is 30 just didn't like it. When we got home my son said the old model looks better. They did offer me a ride but I just couldn't be bothered also It looks like something the Chinese would built if that makes sense. I did like the Guzzi v7 stone they had on the floor though:D

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Post 2473 by Katoom1290,

#2473
I heard that the oil leaks are due to the 1290s being built in the old Triumph factory

Post 2474 by kevxtx,

#2474
Hey Kev,

Ye have had this one on order since the prototype came out. They were released in SA on the Wednesday and by the Saturday mine was on it's way to me. Even got the bike 4 days before the local dealer got his stock in.

As much as I loved the SMT, this one definitely is far better. You can ride it like a hooligan or like a puppy, she is that smooth. Around town she is a dream to ride. My SMT had to be ridden like a hooligan all the time otherwise she would snatch. Now whilst I love a snatch as much as any other guy, it just didn't look good on the SMT

Fortunately so far no issues with it (frantically crossing fingers here so as not to jinx), local dealer got his demo bike on Thursday, immediately took it to an engineering shop and gutted the pipe and dropped in a link piece to remove the cat. Dang, now that thing sounds incredible......Looks stock but rips your heart out when they pop the throttle. He is going to dyno it this week to check what effect it had on the fueling and will let me know. I have an Akra on order but just the slip on, not the whole system so might need to consider this mod as well.......

Battling to get km's on mine at the moment, between having builders working in the house and having to baby sit them, howling gales and pouring rain.....and yes it is supposed to be summer.......just not able to get on the road with it. Have a week left to clock 700 Km to get the first service done and then off on a road trip with a mate to a bike rally.

Bike feels so light and small compared to the SMT, just drops into a turn without a worry, was a bit disconcerting at first not having that bulk of the SMT in front when looking through into the turn but have gotten used to that now. Kind of felt like I was riding a bicycle.......a damn fast bicycle but thats the light and small feeling I had. Wind gets hairy at about 150, from there you gotta hang on. Only taken her up to 170 so far as that's on the 6,500 limit and that was stretching my arms a bit.

The TC changing is done really easy, takes a few seconds to do and is not a complicated process at all. Really not something worth stressing about, try it a few times and reckon you would be able to do it on the fly. I haven't tried changing it on the fly yet but will one day. Switch gear seems fine to me, I did take some getting used to the indicator switch, very short throw and the off is not as positive as the SMT was but once you used to it you develop a feel for it and can then feel it engage and disengage and it seriously is not a concern to me now at all. I do knock it onto high beam every time I turn right, but that's fine as I ride on high beam in the day anyway and very rarely ride at night so that is seen as a safety feature in my book.

Side stand takes some getting used to, after a few times I just figured out the trick to it and now have no problems getting it the first time and with no issues. All in all, one amazing bike which I bought sight unseen and untested and I am loving every second I spend on it, far better than the SMT. One gripe I do have and maybe we all just being daft but I have the black one and the 1290 sticker on the tail piece is also black......how does that work????? The sticker guy in the factory colour blind or what????? You cannot see the 1290 on the tail piece, have to run your hand over it and read it like braile.......maybe they just trying to be kind to the blind bikers as well???

SDSmurf, if the guy slipped the clutch and wobbled away then he had probably just stepped up from a scooter, mine pulls off smooth as hell, just feed the clutch in, a breath of throttle and you doing 80. No blipping the throttle and slipping clutch, just smooth and fast. I have to keep checking it really is a KTM sticker on the side and not a Honda.

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Post 2478 by Katoom1290,

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Mr K, you will not be disappointed.

Kev, I have wracked my brains on what mods but besides the loud pipe and a tail tidy, there is nothing more I would do to mine.

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Post 2481 by AGRO!,

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I've gone for full Akro, ergo seat,rear seat cowl, 30mm SW Motech bar risers,KTM tail tidy,alarm and heated grips on a black bike.
Delivery in June.
Also tempted by KTM rear sets in order to gain more leg room for dodgy knees.I'm 6ft 3ins with 36 inch inseam ,old and creaky.Should really be getting something more sensible.

Post 2482 by Katoom1290,

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Hyperbob

I must say the seat feels more comfy than the one on the SMT did, I am 5,9 with lanky legs and fit really comfy. I found the SMT seat a touch wide and it used to irritate my inner seam, this one is just perfect. I have ordered the heated grips, Gold Triple Clamp and SAS Removal kit but they only coming in a few weeks. I have doubts about fitting the heated grips now as I do not want the grips to be much fatter than they are now, the triple clamp was more to make it look cool than for the performance and the SAS was to tidy up the look on the motor. Suspect I should have ridden the bike first before I decided on that. I have now ordered a tank pad and am looking at getting a radiator guard for it.

One point I have noticed is that in town she does not run hot like the SMT did.

Post 2484 by SDNerd,

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Bet it was a KTM demo bike. I was talking with a KTM employee at the m/c show and he said they had one to ride at KTM USA or something like that. It was in California. Just checked-KTM USA is based in Murrieta, CA.

Post 2485 by Luxamor,

#2485
Well, i have my first ever KTM in the garage! Not even been out on her yet and i have a fooking oil leak!
Trying to pin point where its coming from. Not a good start for my first KTM

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Post 2487 by SDNerd,

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sorry yes its a 1290,
Do the dealers do anything with the oil on a new bike? rang the dealer twice today and never returned my call! Great service!

Post 2488 by aracheon,

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Can someone explain the "dongle" to me? Any gripes so far by magazines focus on inability/flexibility to adjust traction aids. Does the dongle address this? How so?

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Post 2493 by aracheon,

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Luxamor, sorry that the black one is locked up. I've got a fat deposit down on an orange one. I decided to deviate from my usual black as my stable is filled with a lot of black bikes. Did your dealer offer any explanation as to why the delivery date has been pushed back by up to a month? I was going to check in with my dealer on Thursday if he didn't contact me as the delivery date I was quoted was 3/10. My dealers allotment is supposedly 3 SD 1290r's with no info on colors.

Post 2494 by Luxamor,

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I spoke to Thousand Oaks PowerSports here in Southern California and they were expecting the bikes to arrive in the store today, but the shipment is being held at customs. It's just a matter of customs clearance and our bikes will start getting delivered. I was told it could be a couple of weeks.

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Post 2497 by scamb66,

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Quality of dealer set up varies a great deal. I bought a new second generation V-max and man the dealer did a perfect job of setting the bike up. I couldn't find a single flaw, not a fingerprint, nothing loose, misaligned or anything. A year ago I bought a Honda F6B so I had a bagger to ride with my long and slow group of friends. The dealer delivered the bike to my shop due to the severe winter weather. The bike was rolled in and not started. I later discovered the bike was dead as in it wouldn't light up anything . I charged the battery and got it running but then found the dash was dead, radio dead turn signals and so on all none functional. I pulled the plastic dash and found everything unplugged with some of the wiring clearly still with packing tape holding it. Yes I bitched but I went over the bike from one end to the other myself. The fork was tweaked and binding so I installed a superbrace. The dealers excuse was that they were swamped setting up snowmobiles for a sale they were having. I haven't been back since.

The KTM dealer my deposit is with sold me my last Busa and it went well. The 1290r is a different animal, much more depedent on the computer downloads from Mother KTM. However, it still is a pile of metal held together by a few threaded fasteners so I will scrutinize every inch of the Beast before throwing a leg over it.

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Post 2500 by SuperHoon,

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got to give one a blast yesterday.

Image

makes my rc8r feel pretty average.

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Post 2506 by kevxtx,

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I also find the foot levers to short outwards for me so I extended them both by fitting 10mm spacers + 10mm longer stainless steel bolts + locking agent.





Post 2507 by OZsuperduker,

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You must be counting the sleeps mate. I know the feeling well. Glad it's all sorted for you

Kev: that is a bloody good and simple idea. Where can I get some mate? Gotta love that simplicity

No need to re-invent the wheel

Post 2508 by kevxtx,

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I had the spacers lying around they originally came from Jaycar from a few years back or try your local hobby shops they come as assorted spacers, you will need these sizes: 6mmID X 16mmOD X 10mm length (could use 8mm as well) + 10mm longer 6mm Allen key bolts.

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Post 2510 by ebags,

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I think you guys should check out racefit.com just made a de-cat system for the bike at £500.

Post 2511 by Davo-Singapore,

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kevxtx

where did you get the spacers from? I want to do this.. the gear lever is painfully short.

Post 2512 by Stratkat,

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My mate giving it stink.

Post 2513 by SuperHoon,

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[/quote]a guy i know was racing a 1290r last weekend, and he broke all the naked bike lap records at the track (in a national championship) and he likes it better than his rc8rs he used to race. he was 2 seconds a lap faster than any other naked bike out there. on a track that is around 1 minute a lap. which is huge.[/quote]

Were there any Tuono V4R's in the field?

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Post 2515 by OZsuperduker,

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i want one of these so bad, and will have one, but the time just isnt right, maybe in a couple of years.
thing is i cant imagine a better bike to have in the interim than my 990. i mean i dont go out and look at it and think its a pile of ancient junk,
cant wait till i have the 1290, i still love it that much!

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Post 2518 by Katoom1290,

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Any Aussies waiting for delivery, my dealer has an orange 1290, brand new available now.
PM me if interested and I will give you the telephone no.
Melbourne area.

Post 2519 by Katoom1290,

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My SD 1290 has gone back to the dealer yesturday to investigate the oil leak not even had chance to ride the bloody thing yet!

Post 2520 by jmann,

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My 1290 SDR is currently at the dealer having the first service done (930 Km), Akra pipe fitted (just the end can) and heated grips as winter is approaching. So far been fantastic. Gets breezy on a long trip but that was expected. Off on a 380 km run to a bike rally on Friday. Still absolutely loving it.

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Post 2526 by OZsuperduker,

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400kms so far no problems at all.

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Post 2528 by SuperHoon,

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Can you guys post up some pictures of where you oil is leaking from?

I have a funny feeling I'll be replacing the whole clutch cover gasket not just the clutch cover but the bigger one behind it that it shares with the wter pump. Found a tiny seep on the front face just below the o2 sensor.

Post 2529 by ebags,

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its hard to tell on mine at the mo as everywhere was wet with oil. Its at the dealers at the mo but its hard to have any faith

Looks like quite a few are having oil leaks..not good KTM!

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Post 2533 by The Gin Reaper,

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Here you go....

Post 2534 by sexparty,

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Thanks Guys!!

Post 2535 by aracheon,

#2535
Wow, the torque...

Post 2536 by ebags,

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those two pictures are exactly the same thing that i have.

My own investigation by checking and wiping everyday points to exactly the same two places. I just hope the dealer will find the same thing.

Post 2537 by scamb66,

#2537
Just got word that my local dealer's allocation of 1290s has been delayed by roughly another month.

Post 2538 by aracheon,

#2538
Read the same thing on another forum from a rider in California. I can only assume that the same applies to Washington State. Bummer! I would hope they would be addressing some small issues with the bike but probably it is just paperwork.

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Post 2541 by bic_bicknell,

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I put a deposit on one back in the middle of December with delivery date of March 4th, Dealer called me and said date was pushed back till first week in April, I also am afraid to call and see if it has been pushed back any farther. I live in Upstate N.Y and have the 1st black 1290 coming into my dealer, I start track-days last week in April so was hoping to get to ride it a few hundred miles before I hit the track..Scott

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Post 2545 by sexparty,

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So when do you think the 1st 1290 will be in the USA? I would think with California being a ktm home base in the U.S, they would get them 1st? Hope the bike is worth the wait for us!!!

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Post 2547 by MrZ32,

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will take a 1290 for a test ride before all the paperwork gets officially signed but i thought it looked pretty good in the flesh, felt light but it didnt get my heart racing like i thought it would... almost convinced myself to drop 60 grand on a Bimota Tesi 3D until i saw the BMW RnineT... instant love, the fit and finish was beautiful (made the 1290 feel cheap and plasticky).. went and test rode it after the bike show and mine arrives in june (an actual build with my name on it). But it wont be to replace the SD... it will be a stable mate.

and the beemer isnt slow... and will lift the front in 2nd gear on the power, perfect fueling (will pull cleanly from 1000 rpm!?!?), handles beautifully at 7/10 pace (didnt try harder than that as its a demo but this truly is where the sd comes into it... the harder you push, the better they become), great angry sound out of the stock exhaust that actually looks good, in fact the whole bike is beautiful, the only change required is bar end mirrors... great street bike and shaft drive (no more chain servicing for that one)

I want to love the 1290 but the current sd puts a big smile on my face... and part of it is that its obnoxious to all... no emissions, angry, loud, loud, loud, oh and angry... not to mention that it handles beautifully with the ohlins cartridge kit, and springs to suit my weight.

Im sorry KTM but i think you hit and missed with your sales support and lack of hard parts support with stupid pricing (i can cope with cheap with crap service or expensive with amazing service but shit service with shit pricing... GTFO). Although i was happy with you (KTM) being at the bike expo, none of your sales guys knew about the thing (they couldnt even answer my questions), they didnt want you to sit on it (how stupid... its how you get someone to imagine buying the thing, even Bimota let me sit on the tesi... a 60K bike).

Post 2548 by MrZ32,

#2548
and as for the front lofting up with the 1290 under power in 4th gear... mine (990SD) already does that... and can lift under power (no clutch) on the power in 3rd.. yes the 1290 is faster but im just not feeling you

too expensive for not enough... the heart wants what the heart wants... and so far it isnt you (but will wait for the test ride to fully confirm) but i could not fault the RnineT

Post 2549 by dukepaul,

#2549
MrZ32

I love the 9T and I was certain that I was going to get one this year but I took the 1290 out for a test ride and I had to get a SD before even looking at the 9T/1000R and Monster

I sold my Hypermotard a couple of months ago and I also have a GSA which I thought that would be ok but I was left with wanting a Vtwin with a mix of Hyper and Diavel which the 1290 delivers, probably shouldn't have took the bike out for a test ride

The 1000R was really appealing too but I love VTwins so I jumped at the 1290 because I think the bike is sensational.

I went to the show too and was well impressed and it was great to see all the new bikes in one area. Monster/1290/1000R

If I had a 990 SD I would do exactly what you have done

The BMW customer service is really good and the guys at Daisy Hill are great.

Yeah some of the muppets at the dealers do my head-in and KTM (Australia) could learn a bit from BMW with customer service and product knowledge.

Post 2550 by MrZ32,

#2550
Completely agree. .. couldn't make the beemer my only bike as I love the sd.

I also understand that the beemer isn't for everyone. I just hope someone from ktm (who can do something about it) sees that they lost a sale due to their piss poor customer interaction.

Heck. .. bmw want the r nine t to have aftermarket parts. They got some of the best boutique designers to come up with aftermarket parts before the bike was released.

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Post 2554 by MrZ32,

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Stock 990 Sd cant lift in 4th only with a road bump , quite lame to try to say 990 is somthing its not ..And If you change gearing so much that it will it equals 2-3 gear anyway on a stock Sd .

1290 is an total diffrent animal .

Post 2555 by aracheon,

#2555
Well for Starters, the bike is hardly stock.. and yes it will loft (read hover just off the ground) up in 4th with 16/40 gearing... it will not pop right up like it can in 1, 2, 3 but it does loft. Im putting out 132hp at the back wheel (so 150 at the fly is a reasonable estimation) 95Nm of torque at 3500rpm with a quarter turn throttle without electronics telling me what I should and shouldn't be doing. .. but yes obviously that is lame?

I'm not saying it is going to win in a straight line yet it can still run a 10.89 down the quarter (bloody indy beat me by three hundredths of a second).. with the main problem being, keeping the front down (otherwise I would have been quicker)

in the twisty Mountains that I ride, a motard is the quickest way around. Its just the roads that link them all up suck without some hp. If the roads were more open, or I still bothered with track days (I race dh and gravity enduro, so no more track days)... Then I might consider ktm's crappy prices and support. ..its not that expensive but it just doesn't seem worth it. Especially considering there isn't good parts available for them yet.

The sd is meant to be raw, unadulterated and obnoxious... The new one isn't. .. its fast for sure. .. but so is a Honda

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Post 2558 by scamb66,

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My 990 hauls also I have trouble hanging on! Dont know HP but it goes great.
You guys must have got the crap model 990?
No rim tape either

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Post 2560 by Linga,

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I'm finding this talk about coming up in 4th and easily flying up in 3rd to be highly reaching. read: full of shit.

Only way it's coming up in 3rd or 4th is because it was already airborne in 2nd and you shifted.

In 3rd gear, the bike isn't coming up without some proper bounce/leaning or some clutch pull. Or both.

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Post 2564 by MrZ32,

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Maybe you werent watching the video but it was pretty obvious how much he bounced the front to get it up in 3rd. Just as I said. I appreciate your attempt at trying to make me wrong. I bet you felt so good about it too lol

I literally ride every day, and wheely every day multiple times like a total jackass. I know what I'm talking about

You can't just be cruising in 3rd gear and decide to open the throttle and the bike just launches up, not without some sort of rider aide in the form of bouncing the front, leaning back (or clutching); and especially not in 4th.

Post 2565 by Linga,

#2565
Yeah the 1290 is not in the same league, did a little test on the way home from work after reading these posts.

With the 1290 you can change up into third quite quickly so you are not right on the power and then just twist the throttle to the stop and just sit there and wait, as the power comes on it just lofts the front wheel effortlessly without any interaction from the rider and stops when you let the power off.

Credit where credit is due but....... they are some nice controlled mono's, both picking it up and putting it back down, very graceful, been riding since I was knee high and can pop it up on the back wheel no problem, anyone can pop a mono, as you can tell from other comments, but not everyone can do it well

Just waiting to see the vid from bass to see him walk the walk as talk is cheap and that was not what I would call "proper" bounce, just a well timed transfer of weight .

"full of shit" hmmm, as they say, that pissed on your bonfire, will teach you for shooting off your mouth eh, I have been on this forum for 2 minutes and I can already see the ones that are "full of shit"

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Post 2571 by Lowrance,

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Hmmm, not seeing another video yet and someone's gone very quiet which is unusual

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Post 2573 by BassAgent,

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You know what you must do Klink.....

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Post 2578 by scamb66,

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You're welcome to a ride-along too Linga.

I'll put you on the back of my triumph. We can ride down PCH into the sunset.

Post 2579 by BassAgent,

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I'm not sure you'd be comfortable judging from your avatar... What is PCH?

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Post 2587 by Superdan,

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I take reviews a pinch of salt, agree they can be biased and dont always want to bash makes and models. Be interesting to see what the German guys say when they do this test shortly, I think they got in trouble recently for bashing the 1200 adventure jobby.

Lets be fair apart from the Kawasaki no bike on the review is shit. I would be happy to have any of them in the garage.

I don't have the APRC system on my Toohomo V4 its a standard R version but the APRC appears to be very good and intuitive, no doubt as good as the KTM, however the Aprilia from what I have seen/read is so much easier to use, from reading about the KTM, you can adjust on the fly, remembers settings and so forth, its going to be a better track bike as it has more protection and a WSBK derived chassis, hopefully they may alter the adjustablity for future years.

I am not KTM bashing at all, I would love a new/used KTM 1290 but waaaaaay too much wonga for me so on the next best thing IMO, is it really 2-3k better than the toohomo or Beemer though? Every review I have read for the 1290 has said great bike but not lived up to the hype of the "beast" and adjusting the settings is a PITA.

May even buy a copy of MCN and read the review in full.

Post 2588 by Ducati Pete,

#2588
Your bike wins = Good honest review.

Other model wins = Paid for bias.

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Post 2590 by shadowman,

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This seems a fair review IMO, based on all the other feedback and write ups. 1290 electronics package is not a easy to use or sophisticated as the BM and Aprilia.

Just accept it.

Post 2591 by Stratkat,

#2591
Bic,

Lets be honest, you and the 1290 should get a room!!

A more obvious flirtation it would be hard to imagine (Protest indifference, lots of love the one you're with posts, sulky statements about not reading her thread any more, thinly veiled desire, frustration that her mum wont allow you a trial ride etc etc)

I certainly hope our fellow SD ers have been enjoying this as much as I have.

Why not just sell me your bike and go get her - You know you want to!!

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Post 2593 by smackman,

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Oh dear, some people just don't want to hear the truth!

Anyway to clear things up about my opinion of the 1290.

1. I abstained from the months of drivel written on the 1290 thread because it was full of speculative bollox with no actual facts and became tiresome. Now it's back being interesting because it's based on real experiences, (bad and good).

2. For the last two years I was expecting that I would buy the new model Superduke when they finally got around to making one.

3. I have the cash - so affordability is not the issue for me. But value is.

4. I, (personally), am disappointed with the 1290 aesthetics, I actually prefer my 990 so styling is not going to sell sell me the new bike.

5. I, (personally), think that there are many bits of the bike that look cheap and plastic, not like nearly all previous KTM bikes.

6. Its definitely build to a price and there are a lot of cost savings made which are well documented by owners and reviewers alike.

7. It's definitely got faults that will or will not be addressed by current owners and will certainly be addressed in the next 2015 model.

8. I would have to spend a lot more cash on top of the new price to get a bike that I really want to own.

9. So I'm personally disappointed with the 1290 and wouldn't pay the asking price for a bike that is not a premium offer.

10. I like my 990 better even though it's overshadowed by the 1290 engine. Power and torque is not everything to me and the 990 is not lacking in performance.

11. I think that the 1290 is a great new bike and a whole new generation of owners will love it.

12. I don't understand why new owners get so defensive about valid criticism and assessment, it's not a personal attack on them or their choice in owning one.

13. I will be looking out next year for a low milage, used 1290 like everyone else. (so I probably won't get one because there won't be enough to go round)

14. I will be looking out next year for a low milage 990 to turn into my project bike.

15. BECAUSE I LOVE KTM SUPERDUKES IN ALL THEIR FORMS!!!!

16. And I tend to like the people who own them too.

And finally, in the spirit of what Shadowman said, it feels like I have been getting the seven year itch and maybe finding myself staring at this sexy woman at the train station. She makes my commute almost worth looking forward to. She's very good looking, has massive tits, long legs and gives the impression that she'd be very dirty in bed. Bit of a wild one. Sometimes I think about her too much when actually I'm happily married and not in any way in need of another woman. But I still find my gaze resting on her every morning.

So, one day on the way home I end up sitting next to her on the train and we get chatting. She's very flirty and we get on fine. All the blokes that get on the carriage keep on staring at her, she's just that kind of woman. But actually getting to know her makes me realise that she's not quite as perfect as she looks from a distance. Too much make up, rather tacky French manicured fingernails and those weird eyebrows - the plucking thing with the drawn on bit instead. Oh, and she's got a bit of a unassuming, lisping, Euro accent when I always imagined her to have a deep and throaty laugh.

She actually asked me If I wanted to meet up but she couldn't fit me in for several months, busy diary and everything, (which I thought wasn't really spontaneous or exciting), so I declined.

When I got home and was sitting having my tea with Amy and the kids it all seemed a bit surreal. What the fook was I thinking, I already got the best woman in the world.

I still see her at the station, watch different guys chatting her up, getting knocked back, buying her expensive drinks at the bar.

It's enough for me to know I could have her any time I want. I just don't want to.

She's only after my money anyway

Post 2594 by shadowman,

#2594
Hahaha funny ppl here , why be so pissed of cos Sd 1290 dont win an Group test Be happy it came second that aint bad if you care about thoose things .

There is 3 Supernakeds that is awesome like that !! More to choose from . And if Aprilia is best so what

Post 2595 by Ducati Pete,

#2595
Nice repost.

Was going to go the "me thinks he doth protest too much" route but I suspect you are being honest.

Still like your SD better than any other I have seen. Mine would make a good base for a project bike so lets swap and both be happy

Post 2596 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2596
No-one seems to complain about how the various modes work once selected

It appears that sport mode works well, the TC isn't too intrusive etc.

So the only bug bear appears to be the bike not remembering the last settings and not being able to switch modes (or switch off on the fly).

Post 2597 by Stupid Luke,

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Post 2598 by scamb66,

#2598
Any pics of this woman that you are clearly only pretending to imagine?

Post 2599 by ebags,

#2599
I am going to be one of those riders who is fine with the rider aids almost all the time. I may switch them off a few times to feel "beast mode", but a man's got to know his limitations

Post 2600 by sexparty,

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#2601
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Post 2602 by bic_bicknell,

#2602
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Post 2605 by ebags,

#2605
What did I meet her for?

A metaphor.

Post 2606 by Stratkat,

#2606
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Post 2607 by MrZ32,

#2607
Loft is a more gentle way of saying lift... it is a softer word.

E.g. more, most

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Post 2609 by sexparty,

#2609
Gotcha, thanks for clearing it up

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Post 2611 by wilks,

#2611
If you want to get technical:

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]
Back to top
1Kick, hit, or throw (a ball or missile) high up:
he lofted the ball over the infield

Post 2612 by OZsuperduker,

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Post 2613 by bic_bicknell,

#2613
I am quickly losing a lot of respect for some people in this forum. Especially ones complaining about the use of the electronics package on this bike. I cannot comprehend people's inability to grasp this simple concept. Then again opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. I just feel embarrassed for the individuals posting this. It doesn't get any easier than this

Post 2614 by Katoom1290,

#2614
Mate,

Is at the simple concept you mean the one that I want to get on my bike, set the traction control, ABS and power mode to what I want it to be and then when I stop at the garage to fuel up and switch the bike off I have to reset it all again. Then I stop for a coffee half an hour later and have to reset it all again. And again, and again every time I stop.

All because the designers overlooked the simple idea of storing your settings. (Maybe all KTM need to do is give away the dongle rather than making you pay for it as an extra).

Personally, that's the only thing I see wrong with the electronics from what I've read.

Post 2615 by wilks,

#2615
With regards to the resetting of the electronics.... I personally like the fact that it does not automatically reset. This bike has so much power and the gearing is short so if you stop and have your coffee, meet a mate and jump on the bike forgetting you switched it off while you try and zoot off behind him it will get ugly in a heart beat. It is a safety feature, very few people have the skill to constantly ride this bike on the road without the electronics. Personally, and I am 50 years old so take it as it comes and have been riding since I was 16, I do appreciate it switching off. I want to consciously reset it to hooligan if I want it. To be honest, not had the need for that so ye moot point for me.

I honestly cannot understand how something that small and easy to change is becoming such a huge issue. How many guys who actually own a SDR are cheesed off about it? This bike is incredible, you may as well complain that you have to raise the kick stand every time you get on the bike.

Appreciate the fact that KTM have given us a bike that rivals the BMW and Aprillia and the rest is down to personal taste.

Post 2616 by sexparty,

#2616
If your just stopping switch the bike off at the kill switch it will retain your settings . If it starts to annoy you it means your stopping too much when you should be riding .

Post 2617 by scamb66,

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Post 2618 by Millar,

#2618
You guys are all pussy's you just need one like mine with automated shut off.
Just accelerate hard it will do it for you, nice and hot and road is sticky, obviously no need for MTC/ABS so goes into auto shutdown.
Whats so hard??

Post 2619 by Stratkat,

#2619
KTM should have installed a 'Hooligan switch' on the dash to switch off all the riders aids instantly...

Image

Post 2620 by jmann,

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Post 2626 by OZsuperduker,

#2626
That's my mate Daz. He calls it like he sees it too.

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Post 2628 by baggieman,

#2628
What a great advert

Post 2629 by oczer79,

#2629
I had my first proper run on my new SDR today. Did just over 200 miles this afternoon in the West of Scotland (Helensburgh to Oban and back). For those unfamiliar with the route, it's was reasonably twisty roads. Very variable speeds, all good for running in a new bike. Well what did I think? I'm stunned! In my opinion the bike is incredible. The engine is so powerful, torquey and unbelievably smooth. The fuelling is as perfect as I've ever experienced. The suspension seemed perfect for our road conditions. I've spent a fortune in the past trying to optimise the old SD's suspension with little success. The suspension on the new bike is dramatically better straight out of the box. I've not adjusted anything and it's brilliant. Now maybe Im just lucky and it all just suits my weight (80 kts booted and suited). The handling unsurprisingly worked a treat for me as well. I'd a whole mixture of conditions, it is Scotland after all so the 4 seasons in one day was always going to be the minimum in one afternoon. I set off in Sport mode and left it in that all afternoon. I don't have the dongle yet so had to reselect Sport after refuelling. Really the reselection is a non event. It probably takes about the same amount of time as closing the petrol cap and putting the key back in the ignition. It will be handy to have the dongle. I must stress I'm no expert but I've been riding for quite a long time, had a good few bikes and this is my fourth Superduke. I absolutely love it. Can't wait to get out on it again

Post 2630 by scamb66,

#2630
Thanks for your report! I am really looking forward to getting my bike.

Post 2631 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2631
Mine retains the driving mode Sport/Road/Rain after turning off the bike without the dongle. Only ABS MTC and such resets.

Post 2632 by kevxtx,

#2632
same here

Post 2633 by OZsuperduker,

#2633
It will retain the ride mode you last set it in (does anyone use anything beside sport?) but will reset the MTC/ABS back to default without the dongle everytime you turn it off.

Post 2634 by jmann,

#2634
Well I finally had a ride on the 1290 today. KTM Centre let me take theirs out for a blast. Thanks Mark and Jason 01442 255272 [email protected]



Well where to begin. The bike was set in street mode when given to me but I switched it to sport. I don't know the area around Hemel Hempstead that well and asked for a decent road to go and try it out on. Wouldn't be my ideal road but it was ok for the purpose. Riding it out of town the engine couldn't have felt more different to the 990. It was almost like riding a IL4. So smooth and no vibes at all. Not like the big twin I've come to love. I'm not sure how the hell they've done that??
As it was a borrowed bike I eased myself into it. Worked my way up through the gears but without giving it the beans. Gearbox is very very smooth. Bike feels very light, perhaps even as light as the 990 but not as aggressive in it's geometry. You are really sat in the 1290, I'd change the foot pegs positions if it were my bike and raise both the shift lever and rear brake but it was very comfy for my 6'1". After a few miles it's time to play with the engine. Jesus it has so much torque! You can roll it on hard from 2.5k in any gear and it just takes off. I wouldn't want to be this aggressive with the TC off as I'm sure it could end in tears. It really really takes off from 6.5k all the way to 10k. Before you know it you're doing banned/jail speeds. It does indeed switch over modes while riding, you just need to close the throttle for a couple of seconds when you hit select on the mode you want. It also remembers them when you switch the bike off. Now it was time to turn the TC off. (Sorry Mark I know I wasn't supposed to for insurance purposes but I had to try it ) Fook me although it is still very smooth it is also brutal when you open it up. FInally feels like you have direct control over the engine. Before it always felt like you didn't quite somehow. I'll be honest and say I didn't go mad in this mode. It isn't my bike and it did feel a tad intimidating. Another thing I would change is the throttle. For me after the fast action one on my SDR it's way too long. I'd also add a race mode or something along those lines that is somewhere between sport and the craziness of no TC. I'm not a wheelie man but it did come up unintentionally in Sport on a clutchless upshift from 2nd to 3rd. I cracked the throttle as I changed up and up came the front wheel. It probably didn't get above 2ft and I'm not sure if the TC kicked in or I closed the throttle first but it came down smoothly. There is no doubt they have tamed this engine. But I can see why. There is so much torque and it accelerates so quickly that it would scare most people to death! I think with some work on the TC it could be improved though.
The brakes are on another planet I thought the brakes on the standard and SDR are brilliant but the 1290 ones are just incredible!!! You feel like your face is going to come off when you grab a handful. Handling is really nice, flicks quickly and corners well. Set a bit soft or me but I really wasn't pushing it. I'm really out of practice road riding, all my riding is on track these days and if I'm honest I've kinda lost my love for the roads. As I said before it is a really comfy ride and I could probably ride it all day. I'm just not in the market for any bike that is a license looser and the 1290 is certainly that! Would I pay 14 k for it?.. Not a chance but then I don't have 14k to spend on anything. As the others average out around 12k and if I had it and was in the market for a road/track bike then I probably would. This throwing valve shims would be a major concern for me though and needs sorting. All in all though i enjoyed it, it is a Superduke, of that I am sure. Had to try and remember this is a out of the crate bike and I once borrowed a standard 990 from them when I was having some work done on mine and it felt nothing like my sorted SD. This kinda felt a bit like that. It does have a Akra slip-on but standard map. Can is way too quiet for me with the baffle in though. I like to hear a bike roar and that can really wasn't.

Number plate is cool though

Post 2635 by kevxtx,

#2635
So you did not like it then, it's quite a different bike out of the crate compared to a 990.

Post 2636 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2636
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Post 2637 by Superdan,

#2637
"For me after the fast action one on my SDR it's way too long."
That is probably the biggest issue I find with the bike, it can still be tamed for everyone yet have a quicker throttle and I hope there is scope in the future to change this aspect of an otherwise great bike.
I guess we will be restricted to a ride by wire map change to achieve this - bummer!

Post 2638 by sexparty,

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Post 2639 by ebags,

#2639
Sorry to dissagree but I dont recall any cables. When I was modifying the throttle all I saw was an electronic throttle plate

Post 2640 by sexparty,

#2640
The only cables in the twist grip are electrical.

Post 2641 by 1290Nerd,

#2641
That there I guess is going to be a problem then unless someone is very clever and finds a way around it or KTM release one.

Post 2642 by Oompaloompa,

#2642
Good to see a review from a 990 owner, cheers Klinck.

They're fun, eh? It gets even more fun when you get braver with the throttle. I don't think I'd want the action any quicker though, there's a lot of torque to meter out accurately especially when pushing on through the twisties.

Post 2643 by kevxtx,

#2643
Out Big time, one thing I hate when I am sitting at 110kph on the highway & the Speedo reads 125kph.

I have even tried to wire in a Speedo Healer & a SpeedoDRD into the front ABS wiring to correct it but it keep showing a MTC fault with either system wired in.

Post 2644 by dukepaul,

#2644
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Post 2646 by jambox,

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Post 2647 by MacaveliMC,

#2647
People have to be reminded that the KTM is a stand alone model that has taken huge resources to develop.

The BMW is a product of stripping down a current model and chucking a few bits of nasty plastic at.

The BMW is probably a great bike, as the donor model is so good, but not one I'd be interested in.

LB

Post 2648 by MacaveliMC,

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Post 2649 by aracheon,

#2649
Developed with, not from I'd have thought...

Different frame, swing arm and engine for a start.

Post 2650 by Katoom1290,

#2650
The frames are very similar if not the same

Post 2651 by aracheon,

#2651
This turned out to be good news for taller riders with knackered knees like myself.It meant the Superduke had Supermoto type leg room.

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Post 2654 by kevxtx,

#2654
I am 100% sure mine are 10 X 1.25 thread to the bars.

Post 2655 by jmann,

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Post 2656 by kevxtx,

#2656
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Post 2657 by scamb66,

#2657
I used a tap out of my tap & die set to check & measure the tread size & pitch, the size on the mirror holders on the bars are right hand threads both sides 10mm by 1.25mm pitch.

Post 2658 by oczer79,

#2658
Excellent thanks all for your help!

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Post 2660 by sexparty,

#2660
The second of the 3 part Motorcycle.com naked bike test has been published. They basically confirm what I expected which is the KTM is by far the most comfortable bike of the bunch. Lots of legroom and thin. This is what drew me to my 2008 SD over other manufacturers' offerings and it seems to still be the case. For the next test the SD will go head to head with the Tuono V4R. Should be interesting to see how it compares to the current king of naked bikes.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/20 ... wl-video/2

Post 2661 by ebags,

#2661
The fact that it wins the 'grin factor' by some margin is really what it is all about.
That they put the Beemer ahead on appearance leaves me a little dismayed, personally I think its the worst of the lot but thats just my opinion.

2014 Super Naked Street Brawl Scorecard

Category......BMW S1000R.....Ducati Monster 1200S.....Kawasaki Z1000 ABS.....KTM 1290 Super Duke R

Appearance.........8.9..................8.2............................8.4........................ 8.8
Cool Factor.........8.6..................8.2............................7.0.........................9.1
Grin Factor.........8.6..................8.0............................7.0.........................9.8
Overall Score......91.1.................83.2...........................78.1.......................92.2

Post 2662 by sexparty,

#2662
Hey.
Does anyone have switched the rear tyre on the 1290 SDR?
Mine is almost worn out now after 3500km / 2170mi.
I'm a little unsure if I will go for Dunlop Sportmax Sports Smart 2 which was standard. The tyre was great and had plenty of grip, but is worn out a bit too fast!

I've looked at the Michelin Pilot Power 2CT, and considering this tyre.
I had this on my previous 1998 Yamaha R1, and was happy with it!

Any opinions from you guys would be nice!

Post 2663 by 2014_SDR,

#2663
As far as i know the Dunlops are the longest lasting tyres out there, unless you go for touring tyres. Personally I really hate Michelin tyres, but thats just me. =)

Post 2666 by ebags,

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Post 2669 by cessnatpa,

#2669
How long is the warranty on the new SD? I can't seem to find it on the ktm website. Thanks

Post 2670 by ferret990,

#2670
2 years, unlimited miles (as long as you don't take the "Ready to race" slogan too seriously).

Post 2672 by Stratkat,

#2672
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Post 2675 by scamb66,

#2675
Well worth thinking about the extended warranty if you only get one year from KTM.
Similar price ($1000) in Oz for an extra 3 years of "factory level" warranty with a cap of $5000 per repair.
I am covered into 2019, and it"s transferable which may help resale (gonna need it).
Have just come off a 990 SMT, and issues on these bikes appeared well after the 12 months (clocks, immobilisers +) and there is a swag of electronics on the 1290 to fry.
I don't normally get sucked in by the Ming Mole add-ons, but the European electronics spook me a bit.
Who knows how the mechanicals will hold up with that torque ripping through it for a few years in the real world.

Post 2676 by sexparty,

#2676
Went for a 400km ride with only a fuel stop for a break and got off fresh and feeling good. This bike is even more comfy than a standard SD.
Sweet spot seemed to be about 140km/h @4000rpm, fuel economy about 5.5 lt 100km a quick blast to 260 km/h saw this destroyed to 6.3 lt 100km.

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Post 2683 by Superdan,

#2683
I just done a 500mile trip after fitting it, had no issues that i know of. Well worth it!

Post 2685 by sexparty,

#2685
Mine came in today. Will pick it up Thursday or Friday.


mr_et

Post 2686 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2686
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Post 2687 by ebags,

#2687
yup our lovely ugly UK plates!

Post 2688 by jmann,

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Post 2689 by bic_bicknell,

#2689
Baron's first ride

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#2690
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Post 2691 by 1290Nerd,

#2691
Comrades: To me it felt as the the video was sped up but I wouldn't swear on that. Also the video can't convey the arm-wrenching thrust you feel on the overtaking manoeuvres but I guess video never will. I've had my bike for three months now and love it more and more.

Post 2692 by bic_bicknell,

#2692
Picked mine up today. For the record, more torque is better. I mean really better.

Post 2693 by Katoom1290,

#2693
Baron Von Grumble didn't add much to the reviews did he?

"Oooh this bike is great, it's really great. Oooh it has a lot of torque and it's really fast. My neck hurts when I go fast, (80mph). Oooh it's fast. I love it, I love it."

I'm so bored of hearing this over and over again but never said in any different way. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Of course it is all of the above, it a 1300 engine you dick.

Post 2694 by Aphex,

#2694
Comrade Bic: Quite correct, however in my trivia induced stupor I thought it was at least a welcome relief from "How loud is it with this exhaust? How loud with this exhaust with the baffle out? How loud with the baffle cut in half? Can you record a ride by? ..." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Even the naked's have pretty much dried up

Post 2695 by Katoom1290,

#2695
Bic...have you test ridden a 1290 yet !

Post 2696 by Stratkat,

#2696
No. I'm still waiting to get a chance to have a go on the demos, (which aren't available).

Rode up past Hemmel KTM last week where I know they do have one, Klinky had a go on it a while back, but I was on a mission somewhere and couldn't afford the time to pop in on spec. I do want a go on one to see for myself but I'm already months past deciding that I don't want one.

I won't go into why again as I've said it all on here before. My money has gone elsewhere now and I'm picking up the Kawasaki H2 tomorrow, that's what I'm excited about and I'll stick with my 990 as it's still brilliant for what I want.

But when I get a go I will write what I think about the experience and try and use a few more different ways to describe it. ha ha.

Post 2697 by bic_bicknell,

#2697
Bic....I have had mine for almost 2 months now, not many km's so far (just over 2300) and if you ask me for a review it will be.......*wide eyed with total amazement in my voice* ......blady hell!!! it is fast, totally mind bendingly amazing and I am in love. More than that you will get lots of cooing and garbled muttering of love and endearment as I quietly hug the bike in the corner growling aggressively at anyone who dares to get near.

Ride one, then give us your report mate!

Post 2698 by jmann,

#2698
I finally got back on my SD after 6 months of riding an FZ8. Holy shit it's like my first time riding a V twin again, instant thrust with a sound to match. I'd assume that's what it's like for people jumping onto the 1290 from the 990 or in Barons case the s1000rr.

Post 2699 by ferret990,

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Post 2701 by scamb66,

#2701
me personally, i dont give a shit what bic thinks of the 1290. You can keep your review to yourself....yawn

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Post 2703 by ktm08,

#2703
1290 R vs RC8 Acceleration from 100 to 200 in 6 gear, RC8 has Akrapovič and rear sprocket +3:
http://youtu.be/z3gp6gPNmNI

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Post 2706 by ktm08,

#2706
On a winding road they run away, I did not have this problem with the old superduke:

http://youtu.be/UsHvFpWqp8M

Post 2707 by ktmguy,

#2707
Whoever is fastest on public roads is whoever is willing to take the most risk. Get on a track. Of course on a track the sport bikes are going to be pretty quick! I don't understand how you could be slower on the 1290 compared to the old 990. Weight is similar. The 1290 engine is different though. Try a gear higher than you are used to and use all that torque! But anyway, I personally did not buy the 1290 to go out and beat sport bikes, but rather to have a lot of fun in general.

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Post 2709 by wilks,

#2709
A little relaxation on the road, the old SD had more engine brake when the throttle is released- I like it.
http://youtu.be/2a5WiwA9OXY

Post 2710 by ktm08,

#2710
Your riding is hard to watch .

Post 2711 by fatbob,

#2711
Somebody know where to find this adapter plates for rear sets:

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Post 2712 by shadowman,

#2712
I now know what you lot are all bitching about with the map resetting itself , my 1190 ADV never did that till its first recall , now it does , it always stayed in the setting you left it in.

Out of curiosity, what software version do you have after the update? check by holding the UP and DOWN buttons on your left handlebar control down whilst turning the ignition ON - it should run through a couple of menus and end up at the service info and software version. I can set DRL on/off, the riding mode stays where I left it, no defaulting back to STREET mode. Another chap has v2-20 and also does not see the riding mode default back to STREET.

Post 2713 by ktmguy,

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Post 2714 by jmann,

#2714
Well as some of you know I took the plunge and got a new one, black of course!
Picked it up yesterday with the van. Did some checks this morning, like tyre pressure and so on and headed out.
So far...really rapped with it and don't regret going for this, took a long time to convince me.

Positives:
Awesome engine but we knew this already. Pulls like a schoolboy watching redtube. Compared to the 990 super smooth too.
Handling is great and better out of the box than the 990 ever was (that could be me setting it up but hey). And again out of the box a bit better than the S1000R I tested.
Brakes and so on great.
Very comfy for a naked!
Fuel consumption, big plus here.
The engine temp not shooting up like a rocket as soon as I have to stop for a red light.

Not so good:
Mirrors, but other have the same problem or worse. Doesn't bother me.
Shifter and rear brake lever, Kevtx has the solution but for now I adjusted them a bit and have another go tomorrow.

Downright stupid!
THE FFFFING speedo!!!!! What where they thinking! I can pick 100km/h with my eyes closed and I peek at the speedo 116?!?!WTF So I go on the motorway and follow a few cars... 116 WTF 16% over!
I wonder if that reflects in the ODO too? I know in the old day they where linked mechanically but here it's electronic. Has anyone done the ODO compare to GPS or so? This will make a 10.000km bike 11.600km STUPID!
No QS! If there ever was a bike that needed a quick shifter it is this one! I never had a bike with a QS on it but I rode a few, most don't need it. I thought it was really nice on the beemer and it worked very well.
Please KTM sort this out!

Anyway, still great bike and I love it. I know I have been negative about it but I'm glad I took the step and got one. Still have an issue but not with the bike, with KTM sadly.
It's standard so far but I put some pics up later.

Post 2715 by kevxtx,

#2715
Comrade Guy: Welcome to the True Believers (Fast Black) club.

Post 2716 by ktmguy,

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Post 2717 by scamb66,

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Post 2718 by NEO,

#2718
Nice work Guy, think you will be more than satisfied with the new bike.
As for the speedo error I find that the error in mine is about the same at 12-15%.
Whole thread on it in the 1290 Technical section.

Post 2719 by ferret990,

#2719
I agree a quick shifter is a must have on this bike, why is it such a problem, KTM?

Speedo over reading, darn it so I'm not 15mph quicker on this bike

Post 2720 by jmann,

#2720
You will probably get no joy with a warranty claim with the speedo.
I think it was Kev who pointed out that in Oz +10% + 8km/r is within spec?
So 118 @ 100 is OK.
PITA - if our odo's are in line with the speedo, service costs arrive earlier and come sale time the mileage is higher.

Post 2721 by ferret990,

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Post 2722 by ferret990,

#2722
actual + 10% + 8km/hr
100 + 10 + 8 = 118
Edit: However I just had a look at the ADR's:
From 1 July 2006 newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule.This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo.
That is, at a true vehicle speed of 100km/h the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. An alternative way to look at it is; at an indicated speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.

Going by this, the 1290 may be out of spec - not sure where the +10% + 8km/hr came from?

Post 2724 by jmann,

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Post 2725 by kevxtx,

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Post 2726 by ktmguy,

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Post 2727 by ktmguy,

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Post 2728 by jmann,

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Post 2730 by kevxtx,

#2730
Comrade MacD: Fair call

Post 2731 by jmann,

#2731
I've spent the last few days having brill fun on mine. First track day on Friday night.
Tooling around locally in the twisties the rest of the time. Had such a brill time I'd no spare capacity to look at the speedo!

Post 2732 by ktmguy,

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Post 2733 by kevxtx,

#2733
Comrades: This is ridiculous really. If you think about it even if the Diagnostic Tool only allows them to set wheel size (wheel circumference) how hard would it be for KTM to change the diagnostic tool to allow the operator to type in a different value - it's only software, all they'd need to do is to tell the dealers to update over the network. Even if the value gets stored in the speedo ECU, you can't tell me it's not writable.

Post 2734 by jmann,

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Post 2735 by ktmguy,

#2735
I know the software can fix the problem KTM needs to make the function available in the Software for the dealer

jmann you will never be able to know the CAN protocol by reading the bits unless you are the programmer.

Post 2736 by kevxtx,

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Post 2737 by kevxtx,

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Post 2738 by jmann,

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Post 2739 by dukepaul,

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Post 2740 by No. 47,

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Post 2741 by sexparty,

#2741
New video and review from Motorcycle.com



Post 2743 by sexparty,

#2743
Yes as above my local dealer has a black one so grab it quick!!!!

Post 2744 by kevxtx,

#2744
Samco Sport got some hoses for the 1290 SDR now. I cant for the life of me figure out how the second Y one fits on the bike but whatever. I really want blue but I think it'd ruin the look I've got going on.

http://racebikebitz.com/KTM-Road-Bike-S ... ngine+Size

http://racebikebitz.com/KTM-Road-Bike-S ... ngine+Size

KTM Twins has a neat triple o ring clutch slave cylinder and few other new things on their site.

http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-sigutech-bi ... e-cylinder

Post 2746 by sexparty,

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Post 2748 by ktmguy,

#2748
nice...anybody know if those above pegs will fit?

Post 2749 by sexparty,

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Post 2750 by 1290Nerd,

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Post 2751 by sexparty,

#2751
Straight pegs were never going to work as the peg to mount is offset by 25mm.
Just need to work out the correct mount type.

Post 2752 by scamb66,

#2752
-1

Post 2753 by ktmguy,

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Post 2754 by AGRO!,

#2754
So Ross Noble is using a 1290 for his next show.
Likes it by the looks, maybe he gets better support from KTM than most hmmmmm.

Post 2755 by NEO,

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Post 2756 by Colonel_Klinck,

#2756
Once he finds out how good KTM look after you he will be back on BMW.

Post 2757 by ktmguy,

#2757
Just playing around a bit in Photoshop. I know this defeats the purpose of a naked bike but I reckon a 'belly pan' fairing mod to fill in the gap between front wheel and radiator would look awesome:

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Post 2758 by OZsuperduker,

#2758
Looks good

Post 2759 by OZsuperduker,

#2759
I think the 1290 is crying out for a belly pan. Improved the lines on the 990 for sure.

Post 2760 by fatbob,

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Post 2761 by NEO,

#2761
That looks great jemook. I'd buy one. Now of you go and make sure you make me one in orange/white combination please.

Jut make sure during your R&D you test you maintain sufficient airflow to that big bore v-twin

Post 2762 by Oalvarez,

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Post 2763 by fatbob,

#2763
Yeah I hear ya. Me too.

Post 2765 by dukepaul,

#2765
I agree with that

Post 2766 by fatbob,

#2766
Just back from my first (very short) ride on the 1290, and as I said to my friends, I understand what all the hype is about. What a great if not incredible street bike. The huge v-twin might be the smoothest (fueling) motor I've ever ridden. Truly amazing. Maybe the best gearbox I've felt, and the WP suspension (for my weight) is equally good, if not great. Mirrors vibrate some but offer plenty of vision. Helmet wind blast almost nil at 65mph, I didn't feel much heat from the motor on this outing. Need to ride the Crest to get an even better feel for it but so far so great.

What a motor!

Post 2767 by jmann,

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Post 2768 by ebags,

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Post 2769 by fatbob,

#2769
Well I think its running a 17 Inch front wheel , a lot more plastic and bigger tank so guessed
I still regularly see 230 miles to a tank from my 1190 , after which time I wanna get off anyway

the scary thing will be the price

Post 2770 by sexparty,

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Post 2771 by NEO,

#2771
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Not a fan of the stickers.

Post 2772 by NEO,

#2772
I just had an amazing trip in Europe this week.
I drove from Norway last saturday, and came home yesterday.
Went through Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy. I drove some mountain passes in the Alps. The bike was awesome up theese passes!

I drove 3955km in 6 days. I had one day off while i rested in Riva Del Garda North in the Gardasea in Italy.
The bike was 100% all the way. No troubble at all. Just lubricated the Chain. No use of oil or coolant. I had some oil With me for the trip, cause i thought it might use some at high speed for many hours at Autobahn in Germany, but no!

Avrage speed on the autobahn was 160-170kmt @ speedo , and i got 230km before i stopped for fueling. The fuelrange was showing 80km when i stopped, but better safe than sorry. You get a ticket for running out of gas on the autobahn

Total milage on the bike is now 13600KM, and next service is coming up soon.

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I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!

Post 2773 by sexparty,

#2773
Fantastic you lucky person

Post 2774 by scamb66,

#2774
It was a fantastic trip. Next time i could use some company.. But it was fun to be on a roadtrip alone

Passo Stelvio, Bikers heaven!

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Post 2775 by scamb66,

#2775
Great pics

Post 2776 by wilks,

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Post 2777 by ktmguy,

#2777
Nice pics Olden, looks vaguely like a road we have here......

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Lucky bastard

Post 2778 by wilks,

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Post 2779 by ferret990,

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Post 2780 by Megatron09,

#2780
Awesome pics! I went to the Stelvio last year (R1) awesome roads!!!

Post 2781 by ferret990,

#2781
Just did a Germany /Austria trip on the 1190 adventure was really pleased with how well the bike performs . Took it around the Nurburgring was a mad place .

Also did a KTM factory tour they had the 1290 super adventure there but would not let us view it . I look forward to this bike but in reality the current 1190 is a hell of a bike .



Post 2782 by dukepaul,

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Post 2783 by jmann,

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Post 2784 by dukepaul,

#2784
Did you see anything in the factory that looked like an 1190/1290 SMT?
If they make one and it has the Adventure swingarm instead of the wobbly water cooled SSSA, count me in.

Post 2785 by Stratkat,

#2785
hey anyone notice, the shifter is on the right side and the rear brake is on the left! why would they do that????

Post 2786 by jambox,

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Post 2787 by Megatron09,

#2787
LOL Really?? What can ya say ay........ You will have to buy the KTM Left handed tool kit to go with it.

Post 2788 by Stratkat,

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Post 2789 by Dolores,

#2789
Today I ordered the Bodis exhaust for my superduke

Post 2790 by prikkie,

#2790
Did some photoshop with paint.
Your opinion? This is what my bike could be with prototype rims. Orange will be the same. Diificult to change with paint.

Post 2791 by prikkie,

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Post 2792 by prikkie,

#2792
You're gradually turning this black bike into the prototype.

Post 2793 by scamb66,

#2793
This could be something

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