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Pilot Pure slides...

45 posts · Started by Dutch · 12 Jul 2010

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Post 1 by Dutch,

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Post 2 by cjc,

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Post 3 by Dutch,

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Post 4 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 5 by Dutch,

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Thanks not much comfort Kincky...


I'm kinda hoping it's cos I hadn't been that far leaned-over on these new tyres, ... cos I'm not planning on drifting around every bloody corner till I lose it and fall off.

Post 6 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Post 7 by lobster,

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Post 8 by Dutch,

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I put a set of pures on my SDR just before I sold it. I did a track day on them at Angelsey and they gripped like sh1t to a blanket. Well right up to the point I had a Mahooooosive slide from the back, but that was because the motor dumped all the coolant over it, so can't blame the tyre.

I was running fairly low pressures though, Mid 20's psi, tyre guru said I'd get about 6-7psi increase as it was a scorcher. Really confidence inspiring after the initial heavy feeling went away.

HTH

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Post 10 by emuexport,

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Only one way to find out there potential.


*cough**cough*

Post 11 by The Gin Reaper,

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Thanks for the heads up Dutch. I have read some similar comments on them but a guy I know who has a SuperDuke over here loves his over the Dunlops he had on before. But he doesnt ride in all weather but has been to the edge of the tyre on the streets here so thats gotta say something?

I'm going to give the Metzler M5s a crack soon if I can find them in stock.

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Post 13 by Dutch,

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Post 14 by Stupid Luke,

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Post 23 by sammy69,

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your PSI is off, i talked to a rep and they should be 34 / 34.... even on the track!!!..... these tyres are designed to run at this high psi......what were you running?

Post 24 by cjc,

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I thought 34/34 was street. I think the STT tyre guys who sell a ton of Michelins say 32F/31R (cold) for track.

Post 25 by sammy69,

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Post 27 by fatbob,

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power ones for me and had em slide a bit when its damp , thats all , i rate em highly even if they are french unfortunately

Post 28 by Anata,

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Post 29 by cjc,

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Just had a new set on the track yesterday in considerable heat (96 F) and only had a couple squirms at the end of the session. I thought the grip was as good or better than the 2CT's. I had even wear all the way to the edge with 35 front 34 rear psi per Michelin rep.

Post 30 by Dutch,

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Had a good track day yesterday. 99+ F ambient temps. I had hot tearing at a fast novice pace at 32/31. Adding one PSI helped but still could use a little more air at that temp. Just FWIW.

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Post 32 by cjc,

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Post 33 by sammy69,

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I think when the Roadracing World guys tested them they used the higher pressures - can't find my issue to confirm exactly.

I'm wooden and couldn't feel a traction difference between pressures, I only raised mine because the wear looked like hot tearing.

Post 34 by skip,

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Post 35 by Dutch,

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Old thread i know, but does anyone have anymore feedback for track pressures in the UK???

Post 36 by Colonel_Klinck,

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34 34 suited me just fine at Brands, ...or in Islington.

Post 37 by Stupid Luke,

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I was told less in the rear when checking cold tyres due to the rear generating so much more heat. I've got 34 front, 31 rear.

Post 38 by Colonel_Klinck,

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Now this thread has come back I have a bit of a thought.

All the latest jap thous have huge bhp numbers Plus the BMW hits 190 BHP with a couple of easy, cheapish mods but where do they do it?.........................Right at top of the rev range that is where.

What does to SD do to tyres? rips them apart from low down, thats what! So why do we all think the latest development in race tyres will be suitable for our bikes?

Why are we suprised when tyre designed to suit the S1000RR'S etc are worse than the tyre they replace on our bikes? Why dont we see it as another benefit of SD ownership? Tyres designed for superstock racing in 2005 are ample for our bikes. If you need more track grip than Supercorsas or Racetecs can offer or more road grip than 2CT''s you wont find it in Pilot Pures or latest Racetecs. We are asking a light 90 degree Vtwin with a light flywheels to stomp us out of a corner as fast as poss. The tyre companies are desiging these tyres for 800cc Moto GP bikes or 600cc Moto 2 bikes to carry corner speed.

We all like to think the latest tyre will make us faster and give us more grip. But our riding styles hasnt changed ,neither has the bike maybe we should be rejoicing in the cheap tyres available that the Superbike boys think are old hat?

Post 39 by Stupid Luke,

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I take your point Luke but 2CTs Pilot Powers aren't even available anymore are they? I thought they dropped them for the Power Pures? Racetec are of course and I fooking love them on track or roads on a warm summers day. Uber grip

Post 40 by SimG,

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No 2CT'S have been discontinued but you can still get them cheap from many tyre suppliers. Just as trackdayers were still having fun on cheap Rennesports until they couldnt get anymore and had to switch to racetecs.

However, the whole principle of tyres has changed. 5 years ago, when our bikes were new tech, the thinking was softish front (k1) and medium rear (k2) not just for us but for il4 1000cc trackdayers too. Look now and Supersport, superstock, and fashion victim trackdayers are running k1/2 front and k0 rears. Not slow in fast out anymore it is fast in and carry speed out. I dont think those tyres work on Superdukes, if they do, they take away our power out advantages.

Personally, I will always look for a harder rear as I hate it when they start breaking off in chunks. If the price I pay is a bit of looseness on corner exit I can live with that, but Dutch with his Pures and Bic with his M5's are getting slides in corners too and paying 250 quid + for the priveledge

Post 41 by Stupid Luke,

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Post 42 by Dutch,

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Yes tyre technology moves on. Just compare 2 CT's with the Dunlop 207's that were standard on my R1. However, these were quite linear progressions. I am equally sure the latest and greatest tyres have noticeable improvements if you run the latest and greatest bikes. That said, we on Superdukes do not carry the corner speed of an 08 R6 and try to make up for it with much more stomp on the way out.

As you say, Michelin claim to develop tyres for the road. They have little option now they dont supply tyres to Moto GP or WSB. I am sure Pures are better road tyres for S1000RR's and RSV4's with sophisticated electronics / traction control / ABS I am less sure they offer any benefit to the Superduke.

That is all academic though. If anyone comes past me on a road I know well it MUST certainly be the tyres, couldnt possibly be that they are a better rider or more willing to take risks than me and I will be in the queue for the latest and greatest rubber just behind you.

Post 43 by BASH69,

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I was told the Pilot Pures were made to work on road or track, and to keep the PSI the same for both. This has been mentioned in lots of places, and was backed up when I spoke to a tyre tech at Brands...


...but to throw more fuel onto the fire, when I spoke to my tyre guy in London (who used to service tyres on trackdays) he thought it pretty hilarious that the average rider thinks themsleves fast enough to genuinely need to drop thier tyre pressures for track day use. He said, some people are that quick, but unless it's a very hot day, in a 20 minute session (esp in the Novice group, and some slower Inters), not many riders will get so much heat in their tyre that dropping PSI in advance to compensate is something that would make a noticeable difference. ...His views, not mine. Feel free to disagree.

However, for the Pilot Pures, everyone agrees; 34/34 for all uses. Apparently.


I also agree totally with StupidLukes comments about modern tyres. Supersports track tyres are made for high revving IL4s that frequently reach over 150mph and weigh less and less... Our bikes deliver big fat torque at relatively low RPM and spend more time between 50 and 110, so we want tyres to suit that purpose.

Post 44 by Stupid Luke,

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Alot of the Mags that have run Power Pures on thier long termers have also disliked the tyres claiming they make most bikes feel like a handful

The Dunlop Sportsmart is meant to be THE all rounder which every1 is raving about

Post 45 by Twisted Jester,

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God I wish someone braver than me would crash test the latest Dunlops. I hear nothing but good about them but cant quite let go of the 200 odd quid a set would cost. Please Please Please someone run 2010 Dunlops and write a review on here. Prefereably late on a Saturday night so I can say I was pissed when i ordered some.

I used to run Dunlops on track on my RGV250 in 1990 and loved them. Ever since, I have found their road tyres to be a few years behind what Pirelli, Metz or Michelin could offer. Much as I begrudge giving the price of a 3 bed semi in Solihull I will buy a pair if enough people rate them
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