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scary moment!
18 posts · Started by derbyduke · 26 Jun 2010
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Post 8 by DribbleDuke,
#8At full panic, with rear locked or chattering, you have the option to pull in the clutch. get to the speed matched at rear tyre to revs and gearing and start a fresh. This is ussually at apex and out as you are now back on the gas at that point. Were the turns that messed you up the most, slightly down hill?
Post 9 by Superdan,
#9do you blip the throttle on down changes?
Pretty much got out the habit of doing it now as have a slipper but esential for fast road riding and track with no slipper.
Pretty much got out the habit of doing it now as have a slipper but esential for fast road riding and track with no slipper.
Post 10 by darko,
#10Your brake didn't stay on. Your mistakes were downshifting while turning, and using the rear brake while turning when not comfortable with the technique.
Do all your braking and shifting prior to entering the turn. This way you won't have anything else to think about other than your line, and you won't be upsetting the balance of the motorcycle while it is leaned over.
For what its worth, you can use the rear brake in a turn to tighten up your line... slowing the rear wheel down brings your front in if you're running wide. So there's definitely a place and a purpose for that brake, even while turning. But if you're not well seasoned, you need to practice this carefully and very gradually otherwise you have yourself a date with a ditch!
Do all your braking and shifting prior to entering the turn. This way you won't have anything else to think about other than your line, and you won't be upsetting the balance of the motorcycle while it is leaned over.
For what its worth, you can use the rear brake in a turn to tighten up your line... slowing the rear wheel down brings your front in if you're running wide. So there's definitely a place and a purpose for that brake, even while turning. But if you're not well seasoned, you need to practice this carefully and very gradually otherwise you have yourself a date with a ditch!
Post 11 by Colonel_Klinck,
#11I did something similar going into the hairpin at Cadwell. Down shifting and using the rear brake and the next thing the rear is locked and i only saved it by pulling in the clutch a bit. I now stay away from the rear when fast riding, although would love to learn how to back a bike in where the rear brake is necessary. Something for the future.
Post 12 by lobster,
#12^^^^
All good advice from the grown -ups!
Speaking of scary moments....Nice weather, Johnny gets the push bike out of the garden shed and goes for a couple of green lane rides. In two rides I have had cagers trying to kill me 3 times. People say motorcycles are dangerous. I say bollocks, try riding a push bike! Feckin lethal!!
In all my 26 years of motorcyclin' I have never been cut up and pulled out on like I have on my push bike in the last 4 days. Last night I even bought a helmet I was so shaken/outraged, by the car driving I'd just experienced.
After a push bike the SD is more like a flippin' Volvo....
All good advice from the grown -ups!
Speaking of scary moments....Nice weather, Johnny gets the push bike out of the garden shed and goes for a couple of green lane rides. In two rides I have had cagers trying to kill me 3 times. People say motorcycles are dangerous. I say bollocks, try riding a push bike! Feckin lethal!!
In all my 26 years of motorcyclin' I have never been cut up and pulled out on like I have on my push bike in the last 4 days. Last night I even bought a helmet I was so shaken/outraged, by the car driving I'd just experienced.
After a push bike the SD is more like a flippin' Volvo....
Post 13 by bic_bicknell,
#13Like lots of people are saying here. Your experience sounds like a combination of rear braking and down changing into corners when things are not matched up properly.
This is all part of the joy and experience of riding big V twins you've got to match the revs when you drop through the gears or the back wheel locks up because it's suddenly geared to go slower than the road speed so it hops and skips. You have to raise the revs by blipping the throttle, (a LOT if you're really dropping two gears at once), or by feathering the clutch on the way out. This is a great way to control back wheel hop and you get a real feel for it. Or you fit a slipper clutch which does this for you, but really it would be better for you to learn the joys of clutch control first. 'cos it's fUN
It's also worth remembering that all this rear wheel fun is also rear wheel engine braking and you have a LOT of this at you disposal also. It's a great advantage on the road and you can learn to ride with this advantage over bikes with engine configurations that don't give them this. Shitty road surfaces, gravel, potholes, wet patches, diesel spills, etc. etc. everytime you see this and need to brake you can opt to not use your front brake and simply whack it down a gear and use that reverse torque and slow without the risk of a front tyre moment.
And last but not least. It's good to get a feel for the back hopping and jumping and sliding and skipping and doing all sorts of strange stuff. The more the merrier. Off road guys have this all the time, it's second nature to them. Keeping it loose and letting the back end have a bit of freedom is maybe OK, you just have to start off by not being scared by it. I try and not be scared of it when it happens rear wheel stuff is usually progressive and you get a bit of warning. And isn't it better to be practiced and familiar with it when it happens?
Front end slides and shit is something else. I don't want to be familiar with them.
This is all part of the joy and experience of riding big V twins you've got to match the revs when you drop through the gears or the back wheel locks up because it's suddenly geared to go slower than the road speed so it hops and skips. You have to raise the revs by blipping the throttle, (a LOT if you're really dropping two gears at once), or by feathering the clutch on the way out. This is a great way to control back wheel hop and you get a real feel for it. Or you fit a slipper clutch which does this for you, but really it would be better for you to learn the joys of clutch control first. 'cos it's fUN
It's also worth remembering that all this rear wheel fun is also rear wheel engine braking and you have a LOT of this at you disposal also. It's a great advantage on the road and you can learn to ride with this advantage over bikes with engine configurations that don't give them this. Shitty road surfaces, gravel, potholes, wet patches, diesel spills, etc. etc. everytime you see this and need to brake you can opt to not use your front brake and simply whack it down a gear and use that reverse torque and slow without the risk of a front tyre moment.
And last but not least. It's good to get a feel for the back hopping and jumping and sliding and skipping and doing all sorts of strange stuff. The more the merrier. Off road guys have this all the time, it's second nature to them. Keeping it loose and letting the back end have a bit of freedom is maybe OK, you just have to start off by not being scared by it. I try and not be scared of it when it happens rear wheel stuff is usually progressive and you get a bit of warning. And isn't it better to be practiced and familiar with it when it happens?
Front end slides and shit is something else. I don't want to be familiar with them.
Post 14 by derbyduke,
#14again guys thanks for all your advice, really appreciate it!
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Post 17 by Superdan,
#17Crash knobs
Post 18 by Twisted Jester,
#18I was thinking the same as DP and everybody else has covered it perfectly, before you know it you'll be sweet double D, just a period of adjustment is all.
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