The NEXT Superduke? Tell KTM what we want HERE

Seems to me that KTM appear very interested in consumer opinion about how the new SD should shape up for 2012/2013, so before they offer us another Venom, or an RC8 with no fairing, I propose we tell them exactly what we want:


For me the Superduke is an iconic streetbike, designed for the street. NOT a track-biased race-rep, stripped down for road use. I would vote that it stays that way, so for me, NO to a bare-naked RC8.

I'd also want to see the basic look and feel evolve, rather than have a revolution. The looks aren't dated and it needs updating, not starting over. Triumph have shown how the Speed Triple can evolve without killling the brand.

For me I'd just like to see a new similar looking Duke, but with a bit more power, slipper clutch as standard (or copy the clever fuelling in the new RC8R which eliminates harsh engine braking on shutoff), and everything slightly upgraded... Nothing radical. An underslung or shortie exhaust would modernise the looks and lower the CofG, a bendy RC8 style swingarm would be stiffer and looks better, an RC8 style tail section, even for the standard 2seat bike would be nice, I like the SMR Y-Spoke wheels, and then it's just a question of what they do with the suspension and brakes, but no traction control or ABS please.

So, in summary:

Design: Keep it and evolve it, but not too much change, except maybe the rear end of the standard SD.

Engine: A bit more power, but my 130 RWBHP is pretty good already. Make that the standard and tuneable to 150? - but sort the fuelling.

Zorst: Underslung or Shortie please

Chassis & Suspension: Slight upgrades, nothing massive needed. RC8 bendy swingarm? Y-Spoke Wheels, Big piston forks, etc...

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Anyway, let's get this thread cooking and then we can send it to KTM.

Maybe make a 1200cc engine with more torque so we can keep it in a particular gear for a tad longer, but I dont want huge horse power figures as it would end up like an aprillia tuono, just a sports bike minus a fairing. And underslung pipes for lower centre of gravity. And have the engine mods of the new RC8, ie twin plugs for better fuelling. And most of all it has to have a 6000 mile service interval instead of that poxy 4500 one we have to endure.

The only thing I'd like to see an improvement on is either more power so that I can pass even more GSXRCBRZXR's rather than getting trashed on the long straights or

another gear (or two) so I can pass even more GSXRCBRZXR's rather than getting trashed on the long straights

Keep the riding experience. It needs to feel viceral and immediate. Make it crash well. Review the fasteners so that it does not take three different tools to remove a body panel. Grendel likes his tall because he is a great strapping beast. Do not pander to the 'must have a low seat' crowd. The height is why Grendel looked at the bike to begin with. Or incorporate the adjustability the RC8 has.

130 BHP, underslung exhaust, same type of minimalist purposeful look. For me the ergonomics are perfect...lower generally means less ground clearance, of course I am a rather large fellow, so I would leave that alone.

I really can't think of anything else I would change...more underseat storage? Of course having just shelled out for a new Golf TDI, I won't be purchasing one anytime soon. Prolly right before the NEXT generation comes out.

My must have list is simple and with enough money i could probly build it myself

A minimum of 150RWBHP

Adjustable traction control

Slightly more ride height giving more ground clearance

Rake /Trail figures of 25deg/107mm

A fully fueled curb weight of less than 200kg

Handling wise BPFs would be nice but hardly essential when you consider how quick the Battle bikes lapped most race circuits

As for looks, they just need updating abit and finished in the original rubberised black of the 2005 SDs as it looked rugged and cool

I would really like to see the look of the SDR single seat unit, but evolved to see as standard for the SD. A bit better gearbox (it's good, but could be better).
I still want the rude and bulky engine, but with more power and no throttle from satan himself . It should be the RC8R engine but brought down on horsepower, but increased mid-range. (140 hp and a 120 Nm of torque)

The rims and brakes from the SMR 990 and slipper clutch would be fun too.

They should keep the handling and comfort but upgrade it like they did on the new RC8R.

The colours should be as the latest 990 SMR: fresh and racy.
Oh and one last thing: a reasonable price for all this.

I don't want traction control or anything like that, and I would rather they don't mess with the handling. I'm with Dutch, it's a street bike, and the best I've ridden. I too don't want them too turn it into a naked RC8. I dislike the Tuono for that reason.
Maybe they could refine the engine a bit, improve the fuelling a little, improve the service intervals etc etc
TBH, and this may be controversial, but I would rather they refine the engine and give a bit more tank range for the same power than add power. For me, it's more than enough for the road. I love touring on it, but not having to worry about fuel stop quite that often would be a pleasant improvement.

do not remove the headlight switch
keep the engine accessible as is now
better rear wheel adjustment markings
better oil system including a decent dipstick
larger tank
more stable fuel sensor
better positioned pegs as standard
oil filler somewhere more accessible, even if it means putting a filler tube in the underseat kit
double seal clutch slave

the small moans and groans that annoy me most

Just read another post: which links to the Visordown website which, again, included a link to a Dutch Motorbike magazine (Nieuwsmotor)- still with me?

Anyway they went out to Austria and interviewed Robert Prielinger, Head of Development and R&D of streetbikes.
Robert confirms that the 2013 SuperDuke will be a completely new bike with loads of electrickery e.g. Traction Control but gave no further details. The magazine reckons that new electronics may indicate a big increase in BHP.
They also mentioned that KTM are developing all the new electronics in-house in cooperation with the likes of Porsche. Hopefully an indication that they are taking fixing the crappy EFI seriously.

The one drawback I have with my SDR is the lack of luggage provisions which makes me ponder whether I should sell the bike.

Basically I want an RC8 motor and swingarm, SDR handling/riding position and SMT luggage provisions. Traction control and ABS would be nice to have but not neccessary. And an updated instrument cluster that included a gear indicator and shift light.

Design: Keep it and evolve it, but not too much change. Quite like the looks. PLEASE stay away from traction control. ABS ok, but no traction or wheelie control, the bike is designed to be a hooligan.

Engine: I think a 1200cc twin would be great, give us a hit more arm wrenching torque. Don't really need more power, say 130hp on SD and 140-145hp on SDR.

Zorst: Not fussed, I have always liked twins with twin pipes playing loud, kinda like the bike is 'stickin it to the man'

Chassis & Suspension: Y-Spoke Wheels from SMR, and I have not been happy with the rear brake on my SDR so far, but I still need to adjust it yet so verdict is still out on that one.

Basically I want it to be more of an animal on the street. Geared for a top speed of 220km/h, and have it pulling 2nd and 3rd gear wheel stands out of corners.

This thing is a hooligan bike and always should be.

Honestly, since KTM got it so so right the first time, my requirements (nay, demands!) are simple.

Stick in 1200cc's that produces around 140 reliable whp, while keeping everything as similar as possible, with the only changes limited to what is necessary to keep the bike handling like the current one.. Yes, I'd love the RC8-style swingarm because it'll look cool, but if it were to change/stabilise/slow the handling, then no thanks.

I still love the looks and would trade up even if it looked essentially identical (maybe especially if it looks identical). I'm a wierd one that way though and don't think I'm in the majority there.

Just a question to those asking for lowslung exhausts; it looks cool, and is all the fad at the moment, but since we're in love with the handling wouldn't the underseat cans have something to do with that? There was a photoshop of an SD with this configuration, which I loved, but again not if it risks changing the style of handling the bike currently has?

I hate change (see my opinion of the new looks of the site ) except where it involves power .

the evolution of the SuperDuke is a tough concept for me. The bike has gone through an " upgrade",and most people think that the only benefit was the miles per tank load. I like the looks of the original better and was a touch dissapointed when the bike we here could buy was the improved version. mostly for the loss of the orange tank. I have never been on a motorcycle that has or had a better suspension and am hard pressed to imagine that a bike in this price range could be better or even equall to this one. This bike serves it's purpose, I wouls spend my money on a differant style-use long before I would need the next iteration. A dual sport like the DRZ 400 would sit real nice next to the SD?

I've only put 4,000 miles on my SD since I purchased it in July, and it is my favorite over-all bike so far, but here is what I would change/upgrade...
- a little more reliable and still efficient power (some of us use the bike for commuting as well)
- newly styled instrument cluster (without the "nothing button" and possibly adding a gear indicator and maybe a fuel gauge... again for the commuting guys...)
- definitely redesigned engine oil management (better way to check the level -without the problematic tube-, and more convenient to change/add oil)
- steering damper as original equipment, I have had some on previous machines and I really like it, but the aftermarket ones or the conversion to what the SDR has are $$$$
- change the throttle cam or whatever is best for the sensitive throttle, when cruising in town especially.
- optional accessories for rear luggage and more under-seat storage (I understand that it isn't a touring bike, but again with the commuting people, it would be nice to tear up the town or go on a trip without having a big backpack on)
- if ABS/traction control is something that you have to add to it, make sure that it can be completely disabled for those who want nothing to do with it.
- as far as the styling of the bike, I REALLY like the way that it looks already (I have the orange 08).... I certainly wouldn't mind a little bit of change, as long as when it comes out, everyone will know right away that it's the new Super Duke. One of the guys mentioned to keep it similar but to keep it up to date much like Triumph did with the Speed Triple, that's a great example.

As an SD-R and RC8R owner, Id like to see the SD-R evolve more into a baby RC8R. Keep the engine at 990. Make it a light, quick power band. The fueling on the RC8R was perfect for me and if that could be applied to the SD-R id be in heaven. Bring the seat material from the RC8 to the SDR with a little bit more padding. Maybe the adjustable subframe and pegs. Soften the suspension a bit from the factory. The SD-R always feels really stiff on the streets, but i guess thats the price to pay. The RC8R doesnt feel this way or at least not nearly as bad.

FIX THE GOD DAMN EXPANDING TANK!!!

The screws for the RC8R body are all one size which is one of those blatantly obvious things that even Ducati doesn't do. Yet.

I really like the way KTM has their styling so I cant offer any improvements. Whomever does the styling always gets this image thats right in your face and im not sure if I like it, but once I get to see the details and the stance i love it. Its not that fluid "race on sunday sell on monday" design, its muscular, raw and aggressive... Id say if Ducati styling is like Ferrari, then KTM styling is like Lamborghini. Even with the horrible riding experience that I've had on the SD-R and the crappy parts availability and dealer support, i still put money down and gambled on the RC8R Red Bull because of the styling. It kept bringing me back. Its just a gorgeous bike.

And that white ring that keeps the headlight bulb in the headlight assembly, sell that separate from the headlight assembly so i dont have too spend $190 for just the white ring.

Imo KTM should phase out the 990 LC8 and introduce new 2012 onward models with an updated RC8 motor. With all the new competitve bikes that have been released in the last few years it would be a huge mistake for KTM to continue with the 990 LC8, at least here in the US.

I love my bike and it's motor but if you look at the specs compared to it's main competition it doesn't measure up, It loses sales to the Streetfighter because of it. The Adventure and SMT loses sales to the Multistrada for the same reason. Consumers wont even look at KTM's here because they're viewed as an expensive and uncompetitive, which I think is ridiculous but that's the way it is.

I agree 100% with Dutch. The SD is a road bike and should evolve as such. Keep it light. Keep it lithe. Bump the power a smidgeon. (I could live without a low seat option, but I would like to see one as long as it doesn't compromise the bike's handling). Fix the fueling glitch. Slipper clutch standard. A stock pipe that doesn't weigh 44 lbs and pose a burn risk - whether undertail or underslung. Oh, and I'd make a steering damper standard as well.

What I don't want to see is a Ducati Streetfighter or a RSV4 Tuono: stupid power for the streets; top shelf components that don't start working properly until you reach the ton; and, compromised ergos.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 16777.html look at this guys!

Undecided on this,

Part of me wants 150+bhp with a slipper clutch and maybe traction control. Better fueling and no brake issues. Perhaps more attractive (more mainstream) styling. The bike the Ducati Streetfighter promised to be but wasnt.

But then I think it is the flaws inherent in the Superduke that have forged this community. It is the failings of KTM that have generated the innovation of Cycle control, Moto Hooligan and others.

That part of me is happy with things as they are, give us 20 more bhp and leave us to sort all the other issues ourselves.

Whatever they do I hope the SD doesnt become too easy to justify I dont want all the Jap bike sheep who now ride Street Triples, S1000RR's (who said Buzz?)or 1200 Multistradas because the press tell them to to see the Superduke as their next respite between the latest and greatest il4 superduperbikes. I hope the fashion victims look elsewhere for their next garage ornament.

Otherwise I hope this forum renames itself 990 Superduke. Net and fooks off all the wannabes and short term owners
that post 30 times a day on here for three months before a final post in the bikes for sale section as a new bauble has caught their magpie eye.

Actually, having slept on this, I'm going to change my mind
I think the sd and sdr should be wider apart. Same frame, same bottom end engine, but that's about it. The new sd should stay a purebred road bike, same good handling as the current, same attitude, no frills. Hopefully the new engine will be slightly more refined and we'll get a 20% improvement in tank range for similar power and torque levels as currently.
The sdr on the other hand turns into a thoroughbred track bike, much more top end power, smaller tank, lighter bike, more aggressive suspension setup and position, and has all the widgetery like traction control, lap counter etc.
That way they will keep both main client bases happy, and sell more bikes.

And I want 1 of each for coming up with the idea, thank you very much mr ktm

Other than possibly the RC8R motor (I've not sampled it to evaluate the torque curve), possibly HID headlight, carbon wheels, a lighter battery; other than that, keep it the snarling, ill humoured burr in the side of polite society that it is now.

If I want a fecking Honda with no personality and lawyers in every computer, I'd buy one. The SD is the last of the breed of in your face socially questionable bikes.

And I like it that way.

if you want a track bike get an RC8R, the sd is a naked bike and will always be at a big disadvantage at higher speeds... all the cornering ability only to be passed down the straights (ok this is also a hp issue but if you are being ripped off the bike at 250km/h you are still at a big disadvantage)... i wouldnt mind the 1200 engine with only 10 more hp but a shed load of midrange torque.

make it a mean looking wheelie king that rips through the tight stuff like only the current SD can do. I also enjoy the large amount of suspension travel on the SD as this allows us to ride hard on crappy roads and make fools of sport bike riders.

Everyone seems to be wanting sport bike properties but fail to realise that those properties come with big disadvantages and this is where the SD flourished.

I love the fact that i can come out of a corner almost fully pinned sliding the beast through the corners around the outside of sportbikes (on tight to medium corners)... they cant believe what i just managed to do while they were leaning off and 'hooking', then i pop it up on the clutch on the exit just for the extra satisfaction.

When the guys catch up with you later on at the cafe they wanna know how much hp it has and how i did it, i say about 130hp at the wheel and its easy to do with the wide bars. One guy almost fell over and didnt believe me and told me that 130hp couldnt possibly keep up with his blade with 170hp at the wheel.

I want a bike that makes you want to do stupind things between the straights... that is what the SD is about... it must stand for stupid days as when you are on the thing all you want to do is be a total hooligan. It is forgiving, it inspires confidence and just begs you to thrash it to within an inch of its life... and it loves it

Well some sort of stealth technology so the cops can't tell what speed I'm doing would be really handy ......

Seriously though, adjustable bars, pegs, and seat height, a rear spring preload adjuster, steering damper and low slung exhaust.

More power and at least 20 kilos lighter should be possible and a dealer network that actually gives a sh%t would be good too.

Most importantly though make sure it's still raw and edgy, is designed to work on real roads and just don't dumb it down for the masses !!

I gotta agree with the guys who say... If you just wanna go faster, get the RC8R.

I think KTM's "duty" to it's current customers - who are waiting for their bike of choice to be improved - is to evolve what the Superduke already is: - a Rideable, Hooligan, Bad-ass Streetbike - ...not just follow the market for people that buy the bikes that top the speed statistics on every review.

Building naked streetbikes that are just unfaired race-reps, for tiny people, with unuseable power, is pointless, as is expecting a bike without a fairing to keep up with your mate's R1 on the straight. The best thing about the Superduke? It's FUN at 50-80 mph. Try that on your Fireblade.

For those craving pure speed (plus the inevitable traction control and ABS that many people need to keep them from crashing bikes with 170bhp on the road ) the market already makes other bike for you. For uber speed-freaks (with no family, empty road, and a get out of jail free card), get a race-replica, or, of you love KTM, get the RC8R. It's a stunning bike... But first ask yourself; how often do you open your throttle fully to the throttle stop?...and if you ever do, do you really find it too slow? I bet most people ride at 75% power, most of the time.

...To to evolve the Superduke, don't leave behind what made it great in the first place: Furiously good fun on real roads, with unique styling and attitude to turn every head. ...Pass your R1-riding mates on the corners, or on the brakes - then let them pass you on the straight so you can do it all over again.

By the away - KTM in Austria are following this thread, so if you haven't commented yet, please do so.

the sd is not a superbike, and should stay that way. as said already, if you want out and out speed and power get an rc8r, there great but their no sd. the sd is a back road eater and if you bump the power to much it just becomes to much of a handful to ride and losses what its about. in my opinion they should up the bottom end, lighten the bike and improve the handling without making it to twitchy. i have ridden the sdr and didn't like it, thought it was to track orientated and would hate to see the standard sd go the same route....

Some may want more power, TBH,.these things have enough for the street, if you want to "race" get an RC8 and be competitive,,, a slipper as standard would be the thing, keep the styling as it's ahead of the rest anyway,, oh and something like the Nicols tripple tree as standard as well,,, GO-GO knows it works, then you can "power" it up , as long as it gets to the ground, TC as standard , as long as you can "shut it off" when need be,, "twin spark" heads to improve fueling,, a must have,,,

The brand loyalty and passion inspired by this question is a surprise to me. Perhaps it’s because the SD is a deliberately quirky “none of the above” choice signifying an individualistic attitude. For me a bike is a bike to be appreciated or otherwise on its merits. I couldn’t care less who makes it or what message their marketing department are spinning at the time. KTM exists to deliver a return to its shareholders, if it does this by manufacturing a machine that makes me laugh then I’m happy.

When I buy a bike I like to think that I am only minimally influenced by the bike press. My main criteria are probably very close to many other peoples. It’s a toy bought to amuse not a utility item so number one is that it gives me the horn and makes me smile. To do this I have to like or at least be able to stomach the way it looks and most importantly have fun expressing myself on it on the road. Elements that feed into that most are engine performance, sound, handling including braking and comfort. Beyond that I consider if it’s likely to be reliable and re saleable without losing a fortune. After all I’m owning and not marrying it.

I’m neutral on the looks, brutal angry insect sums it up, but I think that’s perfect differentiation from everything else out there without being too off putting to the wider biking public. Small incremental change would be best, a refresh not a re design. If they have any sense they will offer a lower seat height option as I have two mates who might be tempted but are too short for the current version. Personally not being a short arse I like the tall stance. I also like the display on the RC8 so perhaps something like that would be good, new wheels are an easy way to change the look as well as providing the opportunity to boast about unsprung weight reduction etc.

I struggled to adapt to the handling for a while after a lifetime on sports bikes but once I got it I liked it a lot. If you can be bothered there is plenty of adjustment in the excellent suspension, the brakes are as good or better than any bike I have had before. On rougher roads I think its actually faster than a pure sports bike because of the long travel high quality suspension. I find it quite comfortable as well so I think changes in all these areas will be mostly cosmetic and for marketing purposes.

For KTM to sell more, which after all is what they are focused on, they will need to excite the media and the only way to do that is produce some big numbers. IMO this is to our advantage too. Top speed is out because at higher three figure speed aerodynamics and not power rule the roost. A power boost would still be to our advantage however as it would give better acceleration and more lofting of the front wheel which I suspect is a major pastime of many SD owners. Some people here seem to think 150+ RWHP is undesirable on a naked. On the contrary, as long as it’s not all stuffed into a narrow band at the top of the rev range I think the more the merrier. The electric trickery is more a defence against being sued than a practical necessity, like everybody else if it’s fitted I would want to be able to disable / turn it off. Significant power / torque hike should be on the list because it will sell more bikes and be more fun for us.

Mine had been reliable except for the battery requiring replacement although I have only done a limited mileage on it so far. As for depreciation I’m guessing with a niche brand in a small market there is probably not much to be done about that. If worried then selling the current model before news of a replacement becomes widespread would be a smart move I guess.

My predictions then are a modest restyle, trick sounding new suspension, different wheels, tall and short arse options, Ducati + levels of power and the CSR inspired traction / abs options. An underslung exhaust would tidy the back up a bit, an RC8 style rear (retaining two up potential) would look good and feed into the KTM design theme, new colour options and a more sophisticated dash to top it all off.

If it were being made just for me it would be lighter, faster, louder and simpler. The older I get the less I care about bling and the more I care about entertainment and simplicity.

Another over wordy post from me, now I’m off to check if the London drinks meet has been sorted yet.....

Screw Traction Control. Screw ABS. Double Screw 1200CC. Like I said before, bump the compression ratio and put in TI valves, but forget a bigger, heavier motor.

Rocket launchers, on the other hand, now that has my attention

I have a 2008 SDR now, I'd like to have more power by way of a new V4 engine no larger than a 1200. 150-170 HP sounds about right. The engine has to make good usable power from idle to red limit and be silky smooth without a power band where it all comes on at a specific RPM. Fix the fueling issues and make it easy for customers to tweak the fueling via a provided KTM program similar to TuneECU. Full ABS and Switchable TC also sounds good. If the competitors are going to have it so should KTM or KTM may loss customers. Upgrade everything else while your at it. Better brakes, slipper clutch as standard, linkage rear suspension to name a few. Keep the bike weight as low as it is now or best yet, lighter! My KTM SDR is the first KTM I have ever owned. I really love the bike but if it doesn't keep up with the other makers bike in terms of advancements I may have to switch brands. I'm not a brand die-hard, I buy what I perceive as the best bike in it's class. By the time the new SD/SDR come out I'll be ready for a new bike, what I buy depends what is available, it maybe a KTM and maybe not.

more power, no more power. tc/abs no tc/abs. bigger, smaller............. think ktm are gona have to make a new super duke AND a new HYPER DUKE....

Dont let the bike get heavier. Let it be lighter and hold more fuel.. or get the bike to drive longer on the fuel!

I would like to have ABS and traction control, with an off switch on the handlebar. Put the controls for that on/off switch into the new ONBOARD COMPUTER! And let the display show gear and fuel economy and how many liters you have left. That would be GREAT!!

Make different maps, like the Multistrada, one with lower power to drive with in rain/city and one for hooligan driving.

The fueling needs to get better. I've never ridden anything that is as twitchy as this. GET IT DONE, work it out. It's such a shame on such a lovely bike.

Needs moar powar! 140-50hp would be cool, but it's not super important.

Integrate an alarm/immobilzer in the key, and make it so you can keep the key in the pocket, no need to puch key-fab or put in key in ignition.


It really needs a better exhaust system. It makes it a pain in the arse to put any luggage onto the bike.
And make a better way to check on the oil, and to refill. Highly needed

Don't forget what makes us love the Superduke! Radical styling, great riding position, really fun to drive!

BTW: Make some "PowerWear" for us fat blokes

id also like to see better dealer participation, its pretty dismal here. the one dealer in the area is like 60 miles away and could care less about its street lineup.

Put the engine out of a 97 suzuki TL1000s in it.

I hear you but I don't want a V4, it would not be a SD anymore.
I'll stick to some more grunt, up to streetfighter territory would be nice.

I think KTM has a V4 sitting on a shelf. You can change the firing order to get the characteristics of a twin and get higher revs allong with it. I think that the SD would be a great 990 v4. The biggest concern is that the SD needs to stay in the same vein as the existing. Look and feel need not change, power delivary at its current state of tune is wonderful in its linear compisition. This could be done with a V4. If the exhaust moved to underslung, it may afford the placement of the battery and electrics back to under seat. Devising a way to top up oil without panel removal would be splendid. My trouble is that in looking at SD evolution,one can quickly morf the exercise into another steed altogether. If we look at the evolving Duke as an example, we see more CC's an elextric start an underslung exhaust, more fuel capacity, upgraded brakes, but still essentially the same steed. It would be logical to take the new SD forward in the same way. Ilike the cam configguration of the LC motor, it affords a tighter platform and leaves the wheel span shorter. I hate to say it but the SD is such a slendid road bike that luggage adaptability and fifty more miles between fill ups is all this bike needs.

A v-4 would not be a superduke anymore, and with Aprilia moving to a V-4 Tuono this year, it may sway more people to the KTM to get their fix of riding naked twins.

As nice as the exhaust note of a V-4 is, it still cannot compare to the thunder of a sport V-Twin.

Forgot about this pic but Isn't this what we wanted?

Less weight,

Skinnier,

stock slipper clutch,

adjustable pegs(down and forward as well as up and back), bars, seat, etc.,

tool-less pre-load adjustment for the rear,

longer service interval,

tool-less oil top-ups,

less headlight protrusion, I honestly prefer the first generation headlight-tank combo,

aluminium or light weight steel fuel tank,

different tanks available through power parts for a choice available to commuters-touring and real small hooligan tank,(2-3 gallons, something smaller, skinnier and allowing the rider to get farther forward than the one on my 2008).

I won't be buying another SD anytime soon. The one I have is excellent and getting better every time I change it more to suit me.

Brakes that don't sieze solid if someone puts a grain of salt on a road somewhere in the country...
130bhp
bigger range/fuel econ
er... that's it.

From what I've seen and read in the last few days, the 1200 engine is coming to the Adv, so all big KTMs are likely to have 1200 including a new Superduke?

There are also rumours of an 800 engine, for midsized bikes - I assume to compete with Triumph's new smaller Tiger and the new midsized BMW traillies?

Euro rules seem set to make TC and ABS compulsory in a few years (2015 IIRC) so any new bikes from now on are likley to feature it?
...

So - it seems more power, and TC are on the way... whether we like it or not. Meanwhile, what do we really want, and not want?

For me, I still want evolution not revolution. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Keep the lean, mean, streetbike looks, including the trellis frame. Fix the few niggles with the current bike, and upgrade the brakes, suspension, fuelling and spec to 2012 standards, but keep it recogniseably the same bike, even if you need to accomodate a new engine and frame.

What I'm afraid of, is the new Superduke just being a naked RC8 or a slimmed down 1200 Adv with overdesigned bodyparts and panels, attempting to cover a jungle of pipes, cables, boxes and safety devices required for the bigger donor bikes. The Streetbike market is growing, the Adv market is saturated and the sportbike market is in decline... so, focus on the class-defining model that transformed KTM's reputation (i.e. the Superduke), get that bike right, and the rest can follow.

Now, what is it I really want.

First and foremost the SD is a naked street bike designed to be ridden hard and aggressively with no unneccessary extras, just jump on and shred and I don't want that to change.

It's a plus that it's design has enabled me to do track work, commuting as well as the expected weekend shredding with little fuss but I wouldn't want to see it change it's primary focus as that's why I bought it in the first place, where magazines said 2nd place for being too aggressive, I said yes please and plenty of it.

For the std SD I'd like a version of the RC8 engine, I think the original RC8 engine from the 08 RC8s may be ideal, it wasn't designed to be a full on screamer with loads of top end it was designed to be a very useable engine through the range and as std puts out 140 at the rear wheel.

The R version could perhaps have a version of the RC8R engine with the extra oomph that they gave it but still stroked towards the torque side of things.

You're not gonna get fancy wheels on the std version, they're not putting them on the RC8R anymore which although this is also to do with them removing the std RC8 from the line up and meeting in the middle somewhere there's pretty much no chance they'll put the wheels on the SD in order to keep a good price point for it, especially considering all the unsold ones they had originally.

On an R version there could be a chance perhaps of having the wheels and if they do then the existing power part ones from the SMR/RC8R would be awesome.

Suspension wise the std SD should just continue with quality components like it does already with whatever tweaks or improvements have been made in the industry, the R version should have more track orientated suspension, the same sort of kit as the RC8R would be lovely.

Swingarm should be beefed up, it will not be detrimental to the street only riders and will also give the track goers more stiffness, I'm not sure whether it should look like or use the RC8 swingarm or not, perhaps it should have it's own style, I quite like the girder look of the 125 duke, perhaps a beefier version of that would look cool, I'm sure KTM can sort out something tasty.

On that tone, more adjustablility on the yolks for the R version as well like with the nichols clamp, I personally love the sharp turning of my 05 but being able to adjust the geomertry in both directions would be awesome on a track orientated bike with negligible engineering time required to fulfil it.

I think perhaps design elements from the RC8 tail /subframe would be nice, such as the quick release pillion seat, adjustable height and the pillion peg fittings designed to still look neat and tidy when removed and also quick and easy to do so, but maybe it should keep the more kind of edginess of the current SDR tail as they both look good in their own rights and the SDR gives you quick access to storage whereas the RC8 has none at all, so perhaps something in the middle would be ideal if that's even possible. if the std SD is to stick with a similar tail like it has already got then it should be cleaned up and smoothed out a bit on the underside with an undertray or something.

I would love an underslung exhaust so long as it doesn't impact on ground clearance or the general handling of the bike, they managed it with the RC8 and it's no taller than the SD so I think there's a chance they could do it on the SD too so long as any repositioning of other components such as tank and seat etc doesn't start to make it look too much like a sports bike with no fairing, overall ground clearance as a whole should be improved regardless of exhaust, I'd still be happy if they brought out another underseat exhaust setup to keep em up out the way if it's not possible to get one underneath and improve clearance.

I think headlight should be in the vein of the stacked Duke headlight but perhaps a bit beefier looking, not too skinny that it looks like one that somebody would stick on a custom bike, HIDs as std would be awesome.

I'd expect the instrument cluster will be the Zadi one off the RC8/Xbow etc and that would be cool, keeping the race mode and lap time functions as well.

Adjustable footrests like on the RC8 so you don't have to really adjust the pedals in order to move them up and down but with removable heel guards so you can go your own flavour and so you can just replace them when your boots have rubbed away the texture as the fixed heel guard on the RC8 is just annoying.

What I don't want

The SD is not a tourer so I don't want luggage options or massive fuel tanks messing up the lines of the bike, so long as I can still whack a kriega on the back and or a tank bag on the front I'm happy and so if i choose to travel on it I will but not at the cost of it's essence as a hooligans bike, if you want that then ask mr KTM for an SDT or just buy the SMT instead . (A quick release bag like on the RC8 could be good but that's as far as it should go, and even then at £100 it was a bit too much)

Rake and Trail numbers toned down a bit from so radical. Not sure why manufacturers do this, perhaps it's to make the bikes "feel" easy to turn, quick to react. Problem is there's a down-side to that once you get up to speed. And you don't have to get to stupid speed to feel the downside. Headshake, instability, front-end tucks entering turns. Rake @25, trail @105(+) would be great.

Beefier Swingarm. I've been lucky enough to race the Superduke, the Superduke R, and the Superduke R with a braced swingarm - same tracks, same conditions, same tyres, all different configurations of Superduke. Trust me the braced swingarm is a huge improvement. The bike changes direction more positively, turns at high speed more stable and consistent, and (for some reason I can't explain why) seems to put the power to the ground more predictably - you can drive out harder, earlier, with less lateral movement/wallowing. Doesn't take race pace to feel the difference either. Those little arms flex..

Better Airbox. Really, have you ever taken your tank off? It's a dirt bike airbox. You get no air.

Lower bars. (As an option) Not clipons, just lower bars. I like the bike much better with Ducati's Streetfighter bars mounted. Slightly more aggressive, but still very upright. Standard bars feel very high once you go back, but you won't go back.

Twenty more hp. This is a 1000cc twin, selling for a lot of cash. These days big twins have more power. SD with 128, SDR with just under 140. That'd be fantastic.

Better Injection system. That choppy throttle on the R, has got to go. Very hard to ride slow.

One point for you Grendel..

We dont want 140 or 150 hp as it would change the character of the SD too much. The only way your going to get that surely is to have no low down power and have it all at the top. People who want that are perhaps dreamers or really want a full on sport bike where as the SD can kick ass being good at anything. Oh and who ever said tool less rear pre load, I'm for that.

I want power, but not at the expense of losing it elsewhere and if it aint gonna weigh over 200kg yes give us the 1200cc, so there you go smurfette

Been busy with work over the last few months, just had time to catch up with this post. It's so GREAT to read everyone's posts on this subject and to realise what a bunch of focussed, intelligent, SD brand loyal bunch of people this forum has. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said, - a very unified, collective appraisal and set of demands we expect from KTM in their next generation of Superduke. I especially concur with all the comments Twisted Jester makes, (he knows his stuff and has the SD and the RC8), and also Go Go's because he's the racing guy and totally speaks from hard won experience. (I already have a spare swing arm here which I'm currently drawing plans for to be modified/braced by a specialist firm because it's the only thing I can think of for this years major mods. to make my '07 model better. PS. Go Go if you have any data about the bracing you did that you wouldn't mind sharing I would really appreciate it!! ).

Message to KTM.......

On this forum we think there must be someone who reads this stuff. (If not you are all missing a trick.) So PLEASE listen to what we are saying. We are not asking for the world. Everything mentioned is achievable and if you do release a new version of the SD then we believe that it has the potential to reclaim the title for the best of it's class. Or perhaps we really want it to be the stand out and be a class leader in a class of its own because what is obvious is that we don't want the new SD to be a stripped down superbike. We want it to be a single minded hooligan machine with the potential for track work. Everyone I know who takes the SD to a track.... their main joy is showing race-rep jockeys that you don't have to be a sportsbike to go round fast. There is a market for this - it's your unique selling point.

sweet! check this out...

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/

How about this... (but with the normal headlight)

One more thing to consider, if keeping the existing spoiler type set up then I think they should put ram air tubes into them, gogo had awesome results with his custom ram air box so KTM should be able to do something pretty awesome with ram air intakes either where the inner trim is above the radiator or perhaps running down either side of the radiator where the inner spoilers are and just pull the spoilers out an inch or so, then you can still get to the radiator cap

i would be looking for in order of my preference
lighter version
approx 140- 150bhp, 90-100ft/lbs torque at wheels,
STANDARD SLIPPER CLUTCH
under engine exhaust, titanium exhaust system (standard on several repli racers now)
Hydraulic Remote Preload Adjuster would be awesome!
Swingarm like the rc8
hidden passenger pegs and seat,
integrated rear tailight and turn signals
projector beam style headlight or a hid setup...(similar to the duke headlight)
easier oil changes would be nice but not mandatory
use one of those new shorai or something similar ultra light batteries to shave weight
Just an evolution the the bikes look...similar but updated

It seems we have half the people not wanting huge bhp (like myself) and the other half wanting mega bhp. Example : I had an early Suzuki 1200 Bandit that produced 96 bhp ( 1997 when they were at the best ), and my brother owns it now amongst other toys. If we go out for a ride and he guns it in a straight line, my SD will not touch it, yet my SD is 118bhp and weighs about 25kg lighter. Its all about use able power and getting that power to the road in the best ( and most fun way ). I want a bit more, lets say 130 bhp max using a 1200cc engine, and if we read correctly from some recent blurb, a 1200 version looks what we will be getting from KTM. I love my SD, and its at its heart a "Road" bike with engine characteristics that make each and everyone on this forum love it. If they made huge BHP you might end up only having fun when going at 110% which is not what the SD is about. Yes I love it when gunning it and getting the back end a bit squiffy,but the SD is just a pleasure doing anything and it would be a bore otherwise or like having a 1000cc in line 4 that you only ever use three quarters of.At the end of the day I'm sure KTM will have something special for us, or should they actually make the "Venom" from RC8 bits, otherwise could they still call the new bike a Superduke.

Just for info, HIDs are not road legal in the UK on bikes, only cars.

I stilla have one though. All we need is a better reflector so that the beam is better focused then its up to each individual to retrofit an HID kit.

...and make the friggen gas tank so you can put it on and off without spending 1 hour and lots of cursing!!! (can you tell what Grendel did today?)

1) Superbike style swingarm with more ride height adjustability (preload adjuster would be pretty sick)

2) 135 RWHP stock

3) Slightly lower handlebars, maybe about an 1, 1.5 inch lower

4) Address air intake/airbox, route and incorporate into side shrouds or even better through the middle like that moto2 bike that doesnt have a headpipe.

5) Keep it as "crashworthy" as current and Please dont route the exhaust on the side

6) Weight, as much as fcking possible, the more the better but a 20 pound diet would be nice

7) Extend the Rev range by 2000 RPMS

NO ABS!! NO TRACTION CONTROL!! I will ride a superbike if I want TC and I dont want to pay for it stock, its a naked twin for gods sake ( a quickshifer is cool though )

9) I could ask for a slipper stock but if I really dont need one for as much street use as it gets. I will buy one if I really want it and has huge impact on MSRP

10) Steering damper is always nice stock but not electronic

11) Apply the same Trackday theory to the SD, easy to remove signals, mirrors, and even the front and rear lights if possible (that could be cool)

one more, Adjustable offset triples would be awesome !!

and keep it violent and full of hooligan, I know others have had problems with fueling but I love that the throttle bites back alittle, maybe just alittle sharper but that also could be I havent had my bike properly dyno'ed and just piggybacked an existing map from here. I have not had the pleasure of riding an SDR and fueling sounds far worse so keep that in mind

The one thing I would say to KTM is; Please DO NOT go the way of Aprillia
and make the thing so small that taller riders feel like their on a monkey bike! I know that the trend is centralised mass, low weight ground hugging centre of gravity and all that, but a true super naked street machine needs road presence! Which is what is sadly lacking in the new Tuono.

I agree, overall I like size of the current superduke, to shorten the rear tail would not be a catastrophe, but I think of a slight trim rather than a cut, that goes for the head lamp to. The actual ride height is awesome for me (6.2), I dont want it to be a midget mobile, to drop the seat height to much stock and I will have a serious problem getting another. Slight trim, a refinement nothing drastic. If the exhaust does go underbelly than that already gets a very different proportion of mass centralization.

Keep the thoughts coming fellas. Our French Counterparts have almost 50 pages, and counting.

I would not buy another superduke if they made it small. At about 6' 6" it is hard to find a bike that is fun and fits. I did not even bother with a test ride of the Tuono as it was just too damn small.

also would like to see marzocchi 50mm forks on this bad boy just to add to hooligan look

Comfy seat please Mr Austrian!!

Now these guy's say it's gonna be a 2012 launch date for the 1200SD,,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2011/01/ ... e-700.html

a quote from that link made me giggle
" The 2012/2013 KTM Super Duke is likely to be a very high-tech machine, with a 1200cc V-twin and advanced electronics, including sports-ABS, traction control and ride-by-wire technologies."

now i know reports such as in that link are not gospel but it made me laff and after reading all the post the one i most agree with is about the size , please keep it so us 6 footers can ride ,

So guys, keep these views coming. KTM are reading.

If the bike has to have ABS/Traction Control please, please, please give us a switch with it. I want to be in total control when I choose to be (doesn't mean I actually am of course) In the wet and cold I can possibly see the benefits but other than then I can not. It's not what the SD is about.

Updated looks but keeping the SD lineage.
If there will be a bigger motor there are just two things I want out of it. More torque and decent fuel injection.
Easier access to oil tank.
And maybe an underslung exhaust.
That's it. Love this bike.

and no ride by wire... we have enough problems with our electrics without it controlling our throttle

and make all the frames orange..and the rest black...

Less elektronics, a bit more torque and HP, better fueling and an easyer way to change the coolant.

The guys over on the french forum have finished up there design fase of what they think the new superduke should look like, here's what they came up with:



And as for the R version:



you can also go to the following link to have a play with all the components they had a poll for:



One things for sure, they went all out on it The R version looks fookin orsum me thinks

You have GOT to love those Frenchies. KTM should have that as an ordering bit kit.. fookin love it...

http://www.readytorace.fr/divers/new-sd/

Tail piece is a bit too miniscule for my liking.

This hurts me to say this but, hats off to the french for their designs.

Like this..

http://gambarmotor-3000.blogspot.com/20 ... -2008.html

i would buy that french stuled one in an insant

Just think how Ghey that french design would look with the ADR mud-guard that extends to 45 degrees from the rear axle. The only way I would be happy with a stumpy tail like that is if Australia did not have stupid laws like that, or if they made a nice looking rear mud guard/number plate holder that comes off the swing-arm, like the Diavel.

looks good, but personally I dont like single sided swingarms

Agree with Dutch 100% too. There are plenty of other KTM’s that can have or use all of the techno stuff and stuff for the “penny-loafer” crowd but the Super Duke and Duke models need to keep the personality they were born and raised with. The original 620 Duke I was touted as the first hooligan street brawler and this was typical of KTM with always doing it different than the other brands. Cycle World Magazine put it best when their opening line to the first test of the Duke I read: “Rude, Crude and Socially Unacceptable……in other words Way Damn Cool”. Then went on to say “Stay away from this bike, no good can come of it” and then something to the affect of the Duke being the quickest way to get in trouble and lose your license, etc. If KTM starts to chase the other brands or their customers then they become one of them and who in their right mind wants to be “One of them” or really tens of thousands of them. The Super Duke is not for everyone, man am I happy about that. As long as KTM sells enough of them to maintain that bad azz image I’m sure they’ll be happy because they can then make the SMT and Adventure’s and whatever else that is more attractive to the masses and put all of the creature features on them for the candy butts. Maintaining the original Duke/Super Duke raw concept and image is the most important new thing KTM can do. So for me a much lighter conventional high rear mounted “in your face” (or at least in the face of the person behind you) exhaust system and maybe a better headlight is all I’d want. I don’t need a padded shift lever for my loafers save that for someone else.

SD#1

For me the SD has completely changed the way I ride & it's nicked seconds off my lap times so the current SD will take some improving. The chassis just works so leave it alone but put a linkage on the swingarm to give us a little bit more feedback and control. The suspenders are awesome and it just needs updating with the newest tech.

It must have the RC8 engine not restricted in any way, let's have full power so it can wipe the floor with the Ducati and Triumph. It needs a nice bellypan with the underslung exhaust.

A BIGGER FUEL TANK!!!!

Then let the gurus at KTM go wild with the styling, that 690 stunt bike looks pretty trick, I'm not over keen on the French version as it still looks like the SDR for me and I want something raddicle .

Either way I can't wait. Saving all my pennies now in reddines

What attracted me to the Superduke when it first came out was the hooligan nature of the bike and the sheer fun you could have on the road with one especially as it encourages you to ride it just like those youtube ads!

I've bought 3 SDs and I will buy the next Superduke, no question unless KTM soften and 'dumb down' the replacement model. What I want is a hard edged hooligan tool which is equally at home on the road or track.

My SD wish list is:
MORE GO! Too much is NOT enough. 1200cc, 150bhp & 115ft/lb or torque? Yes please!
Better headers - put all the restriction in the cans and link pipe so its easy to upgrade
RC8 style under engine exhaust would be nice
Slipper clutch as standard
enough space to take a 190/55 rear
seat should have a bum stop
Adjustable ride height and bigger triple clamps
better ground clearance
Race kit parts like for the RC8R
No traction control.
No ABS.
For the road a bigger tank would be helpful
For the track fixing the fuel surge problem would be nice

Cheaper spares!
More dealers
Fuel gauge (how hard can it be?)
Battery that is easier to get at.
Slipper clutch as standard.
Don't touch the handling, it's perfect.
More power is always nice, but not at the expense of lightness and handling


.....did I mention don't mess with the handling?

I just took my '06 Duke for a spin, and here is what i want them to change :

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!
This thing still goes like hell, it is light, it flicks-flacks like no other thing, and it fires away from the small twisty corners putting every Super- hyper sport to shame

Why more power ? it is usable now , and 120-130 rwhp is easely pumped out of a normal sduke.
More revs ? why ? it's is a Twin , you want 190 bhp and 12.000 revs, and do long fast curves @ 200 kPH buy an IL4 BMW s1000rr (or something)

Surely form should always follow function. I bought the SD because out of ALL in its class, KTM designed a bike that fitted this criteria the closest. It's a wonderful bike in most areas - so I would hope very little is changed. If KTM want direction on what to do, the SD Forum is the perfect place to start - look at what a group of passionate KTM people are doing to their bikes.

Above all, don't compromise existing weight & agility
More torque & power
Fix On/Off throttle at low revs
Slipper clutch - probably (unless fitting shortens service intervals)
No Traction Control
No ABS (unless legislation forces)
Move header restriction to cans and link pipe
Underslung exhaust to lower CG
Improve Instrument Panel quality!! It's pants. And design one that doesn't leak
Add rev limiter light & fuel gauge
Xenon headlight Hi/Low
LED tail lights & indicators
Improved chain tension markings
Put the Headlight ON/OFF switch back
Keep its style concept - hard edges & with purpose. Please God don't make it round & fat

Make changing the oil easier .

Sort out the back end, or at least make it easy to put a tail tidy on without resorting to surgery.
Fueling that works staight out of the box...and perhaps a changeable powermap switch.
Ground clearence please.
Styling along the same lines as the RC8, although not just a naked version.
Fuel Gauge, Lap Timer and easy to adjust settings on the clocks.
Adjustable traction control....with 'need stabalisers' to 'Rossi' settings.
Smidge more power too please....

Thank you Mr KTM......

More power. Minimum 150bhp. Or just chuck the RC8 engine in there.
Matt black fuel tank like on the 05.
Better fueling.
Easier oil top up.
Lithium battery.
Slipper clutch.
Off switch for rider aids.
Must retain its animal instinct.

Dear KTM Racing,

Please..

1. Keep the same weight or reduse it.
2. Keep the same quick turning characteristics (I think you 've lost it allready after 2007, I 've got a 05 and I love it...)
3. I do not know and I do not care how you are going to do it...you are the wizards anyway, but please make an SD that goes up to 250 kph ( I do not need more ) but as quick as she catches 200. In enginearing terms something like true 14-14,5 kg of torque and the same 120-130 bhp.
4. Keep the same engine reliability as the LC8. ( for me, the LC8 is the most ligh, strongest for its weight, and most reliable "racing" v2 ).
5. For aesthetics I do not realy care, because when I ride, I never look at "her". OK I admit that I am in love with her (05), And I believe that even for you (KTM) will be dificult or even imposible to desighn something that will make me fall in love for a second time.

"SWORN" to you...
George

OOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh

I forgot the most important...

NOOOOOOOO electronic helpers (ABS, Traction, CBS ABC XYZ whatever..
It will destroy our way of geting our dose of adrenaline and endorphin.

This staff are good for other kind of bikes, you allready know that and I respect you for that.. (RC8R2011 ), or for people that need OUR bikes to show off outside the caffee.

Hey you caffee doctors!!... change the way you ride or get a cruiser, choper, buldozer or whatever..leave these bikes for people who can realy get something from them..
Street fighters are made for ... well read again what is their name..

Oh , for some people that complain for the snatchy throtle betwin 3-4000rpm.. Twist you F"£%$£G throtle guys.. you will destroy your baby if you r riding like this... Your baby is maid to be driven above 5000rpm...If you go for shopping.. GO WITH YOUR CAR. If you need a calm ride GO WITH YOUR CAR or choper..

Love you all

I dont post often, but here are my few wants,

Standard RC8 Engine, dont detune it, allow any and all nanny devices (ABS etc) to be turned off or dont fit them!

No tool fluid checks and top ups!! Dip stick for oil level, not the silly sight tube.

Lastly fix the FI at low revs... Seriously even if nothing else is done this needs fixing and is a flaw on a bike that is otherwise amazing as is, but dont affect the way the bike revs and produces power. I know keep the revs higher deals with this, but sometimes you can't and I hate looking like a pogo stick on wheels.

Dont wreck the current style, its not broke so dont fix it. Oh and all black with Orange Frame.

If KTM really do read this.

Please look at a 1098 / 1198 engine. Now think what that would have evolved into for 2012 / 2013.
This should be your yardstick for the motor.

After putting a few thousand miles on my bike I'll repost in this thread on things I've come to love/not love.


KEEP THE WEIGHT AT LEAST THE SAME, IF NOT LIGHTER.
More power of course, but NOT at the expense of weight. Doesn't have to be a bigger engine (improved stock airbox?).
Same awesome style. Went to a 300-bike event a few days ago. Lots of people checked out the SD and asked me about it.
Keep the same awesome braking performance. Has saved me many times.
For those with a SDR or riding with an SDR seat (like me), a rear support would be nice. Especially when punching it in the lower gears and you slide backwards a couple inches because there's nothing but smooth seat behind you.
Keep the same dimensions!!! Screw trying to make a bike semi-comfortable for all the different heights. It never works! You end up with a bike that isn't really comfortable at all for anyone. Keep it tall and slim.
Easier maintenance.

Thats really about it. As I said before, KTM doesn't need to over-haul the bike. Improve on the good things and touch up on the bad things. A slipper-clutch and steering damper would be nice to have but I think these things would eventually push the bike to being nothing more than a naked RC8. I see the SD as a completely different bike than the RC8, not just its little brother. It should stay that way.

And BTW in case KTM is wondering, KEEP IT A TWIN!!! There is nothing on this planet more badass than a big v-twin powered naked street fighter.

More power = bigger rad required.

I would just like a more powerful engine to compete with modern sportsbikes. Everything else I can keep the same - no desire to have anything else work better than it already does. 160bhp engine that I can just refit into my current bike will be fine. Thanks KTM for listening.

I love riding my SDR now that I've resolved the throttle snatchiness with modifications found elsewhere on this site. Maintenance is another story. If the throttle cables could be adjusted, the air filter reached, and the backside of the radiator made accessible for cleaning by just lifting the tank with a hinge and latch, working on it would be more fun. Fewer drains, or at least placing them where they won't drip on the few fairings the bike has and making the oil drain plug more accessible would be nice too.

Also, providing a storage space that is at least big enough for a wallet AND waterproof would be helpful, along with a low mounted exhaust. Otherwise, I love mine and probably won't be buying another bike for a very long time.

I see the new Benelli TNT is now 158 BHP, nudge nudge, KTM

Here the dealers page on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Wait a second, I found this slide on a KTM Dealers website so it's already out there. I'm not associated with KTM so I don't see how I can get in hot water over the release.

Post it!

Thanks for posting it. OK everyone! 2013 KTM SDR 1290! I'm getting one!

KTM-Parts.com stuck the same pic up on the KTM Superfuke Facebook wall too.

2013? LOL

Saying that I'm not saying no to a 1290 motor. That is a bit of a surprise to say the least. Hope it's not a huge fooking motor

What do you thing we will be looking at power wise? 165 and a shite load of torque.

No updates to the RC8R for at least four years...?

The old rumor was 2013 bikes will appear in 2012.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/ ... 013-rumor/

KTM needs to release something that will compete against the k1600R. They might have decided on throwing in an updated V4 engine they made for GP into a beefed up super duke chassis, which pushed the release of an 1190 LC8 super duke.

Saying about when its coming out, seeing as its an American slide. Don't the vehicle companies over the pond put the current models a year ahead, as in the ones out this year they would call MY2012?

Probably talk a load of shite as it's past my bed time

The 2013 model would come out in mid 2012 in Europe... But since we're not in Europe it still will probably be 2013 before any real bikes turn up over here if at all Sigh.......

I like the engine size, but didnt like either picture... Looks to staid or to racer... No edge to it...

thats not the full story. There has got to be more on the development list for KTMs street line. Otherwise me thinks the orange boat is sinking

1290 sound too big and too expensive.

To be honest I love bikes but I would never buy a brand new bike from the dealers (maybe an offroader) and at 10 grand plus I would never pay that much nor would I want to take it on track.

I will have a 2008 > SDR and mod the fook out of it thanks

Re: KTM losing its edge?
by TLS_Russ » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:25 pm

Yes, the original is the best with all the raw edges thats where the character comes from....
Sadly the watering down of the original concept already began with the 07 SD model, The 08R gets some of that back but not all.....
I guess the next new SD will be further diluted,fatter, softer and probably with an electronic Nanny system to....................
The original 05/06 models will develop a classic status like the 97 Suzuki TL1000s / 98 Yamaha R1 / 92 Honda fireblade........
Thats why I bought mine and why I am keeping it!

Unless............. they beef up the current motor, 1090cc, higher rev limit, slipper clutch, the same or less weight, RC8 swingarm, rear brake that works!
Tweak the styling without ruining it! better clocks, absolutely no electronic Nanny system or silly map switches!!
They could, but they wont

I hope they change their minds and the Adventure 1090R motor goes in the new SD,
1290..... KTM B King... Horrible.........

The size of this engine is slightly worrying. Would like to know their thinking behind this. I really hope they have found a way of cramming it all into as small a package as possible.

The Duc 1198 is presumably a 1200 and I don't notice that being too flabby or large.....

Not saying we want an 1198 type bike, obviously we don't. It's just that their 1198 motor in a SD would not be the worst thing I could imagine

Just because its named SD1290 doesn't mean that it will actually be 12900cc!
It may well be just over 1200cc and tuned for torque - their marketing wizards may think 1290 sounds better than say 1229 or summit like that.

It's probably 1299.9cc just like the SD is actually 999.9cc. They round the numbers down I'm guessing to keep insurance a little cheaper in some countries.

F**k**g bored with this thread. 'tis turning Japanese.

W**k.

Never compete. Be unique. And face the consequences and Laff! .

I want something that will beat the shit out of the new Tuono.
Well this could be a hard act to follow but a bigger engine and more torque and still a twin would be nice.
Not too bothered about all the electronic TC,anti wheelie shit.

I have been trying to read all the info.There are so many opinions.Please forgive me if some has said this.
I want the fooking turn signals to self cancel.I hate to look down and see I forgot to cancel them.All my other bikes have this even my 03 Harley! So I have a hard time remembering to turn them off.Maybe the bike has it and mine don't work.I don't know.
If so someone let me know.
I would like to see a little more power.and better fuel management so the low speed surges are gone.
I would love a better dash that does all the stuff many lower price bike do.Aprilia 750 DD dash was great you could see everything even in bright light of the day.
Make it a little easy to change the battery what a pain in the ass.There has to be a better way.
Other wise just evole with the times. a gas gauge would be nice too.
If I said what others have said i am sorry I just could not read it all today but I will.
Long live the Duke To me it's the King.Orange is my color now.

some one was wondering if we were even going to get the new SD here. if you look at the top it says KTM North America meeting, so it looks like thats for us.
i cant wait to see the thing. looks like they are not going to offer a standard SD though just like they dropped the RC8 and only offer the RC8R? i hope they offer more dealer support though
there arent any dealers within a hundred miles of here, i do all of my parts ordering online.

... and sorry but i just have to vent about this. i assume the image at lower left is the facelifted 690 enduro right?
well whatever it is, what is the big deal about the 'Beak' they are putting on anything called an adventure bike. IMO
its one of the stupidest looking design elements and every manufacturer seems to have embraced it. i mean what purpose does it serve?
surely its not to prevent rocks and debri from flying up because there is already a fender over the front wheel right? somebody please be original and lose the Beak PLEASE!!!!

all looks a bit my arse to me , they had photos of a 690 SD in MCN the other week and that hasn't made it onto the list?????

MCN finally managed to catch up!

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... 02011%20(1)

2013 is fine i guess.....but for many of us who cant afford a new bike it'll be more like 2014 before used good ones are around!

There will always be lovers of the original out there too as I suspect this will be quite a different beast.

Anything could happen between now and then though, I'm not holding my breath.

I am interested in the electric bikes though....max torque from NOTHING on an electric motor.....I wonder what the Freeridde EXC will be like!?

I`d rather embrace a Turd

Ohlins/a decent seat/more torque

Please. Thank you.

This thread is getting a bit long to read.....

Hopefully KTM has seen it and at least interprets it as meaning there is interest. Hopefully they are not overwhelmed with information! I've posted in this thread before, but to make it simple for any KTM representatives reading, I'll be brief:


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So you think you need some ABS??:

So we won. plus looked cooler doing it!

Well shit I miss the whole thing.. I just gave myself the green light to get back on a bike.. and I ended back on this site. Well this is what I would of wanted.

Make it cheaper.
Fix the stock fueling problems. Double.. triple ignitions.. whatever it takes.
Better fuel economy
Make it lighter or keep it as light.
You already make a track and tourer bike... focus on evolving the street hooligan aspect. Thats what made this bike so versatile. When you make it fun... everything else falls into place.
Keep the handling and comfort. Even at 5'6" I can still ride this bike and so can people who are 6'6"
More usable power would be nice but not necessary if you make it lighter.
Orange frame a standard everything else paint it black. I really like the 2011 RC8R white scheme paint job
Similar styling just updated.
Fuel gauge
fix the tank warping issue
put a real kickstand on it
Keep the passenger capability- No point in being bad if we cant take the girls home.
More orange and more cowbell.

Did I mention make it cheaper?

If its really gonna be a 1300, we better see 150rwhp and 100+ ft-lbs of torque!



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

+1 Radial calipers monobloc or not, completely pointless on a road bike on road tyres...... on a 200bhp+ race bike, slicks tyres running on a smooth grippy track, maybe yes

Radial calipers are the latest fashion item for road bikes..........
The radials manufacturers are fitting to road bikes are heavier than the conventional calipers they replace.. whats up with that
Do they outperform the best of the old conventional calipers..... I dont think so... all the bikes I have tried with radials have very little feel, wooden i would call it

IMO Radial calipers are fooking ugly to

Disc material / diameter has much more of an improvement to offer than some trendy radial caliper anyway
I dont go for the caliper flex nonsense either, forks flex, the chassis flexes and tyres distort....yeah right a little flexing from the calipers is going to make a big difference

Gimme a pair of conventional Brembo Goldlines, Sexy Nissin 6 pots (The ones MV used to use) or the excellent Tokico 4 pots fitted to old Suzuki GSXRs, with the right pads and cast iron discs any of these three will give more feel and as much braking power as any road bike/rider can handle

Me, if / when I buy an SDR I will be fitting a pair of 05/06 forks with conventional Brembo calipers

I want a six position gear position indicator so I can hook up Bazzaz TC / QS if I choose to do so.

One of the reasons Radials are fitted to race bikes because it is really easy to fit spacers when they change the disc size. (Diameter)

The P4 calipers on early SD's are lovely.

First and foremost fix the deforming gas tank issue. If that means going to a different type of plastic that is not subject to the same type of deformation problems that the current "paintable" nylon version is and then using some kind of bolt on tank covers (similar to what Ducati has done with the Diavel) then do it. Or if it means going to a metal tank then do that but sticking with the status quo is simply unacceptable and I can guarantee you it will be a deal breaker for many U.S. customers regardless of how much we love our KTM's or how superior the new SD is to it's competition. This is not the kind of problem a $14K bike should be subject to.

Other than that the current SD is a masterpiece in my opinion. The overall concept is brilliant and it's possibly the best performance bike for the real world that has ever been produced. Of course, there is still always room for improvement. More power without a sacrifice in power delivery and torque will be necessary to keep up with the competiton. No need for a naked bike to compete with an S1000RR in terms of topend horsepower but it should have enough to at least keep the Kawasaki Z1000 honest and stay reasonably close to the Ducati Streetfighter.

The swingarm should be closer to the one used on the RC8R. Leave the dirtbike style arm to the true Supermotos. The SD leans closer to the Super Naked side of the fence than supermoto. Make the bars slightly lower and slightly less wide but keep all of that glorious leg room. Also, there's no need for a bunch of electronic fancy gizmos that will inevitably malfunction. A non-undertail exhaust would be nice and please continue to offer a standard more street orientated version. The R is amazing but now that you have a nicely refined RC8R there's more need for the SD to be a great streetbike than a track tool. Therefore, please keep the gunslinger style 2-up seat on the standard.

And last but not least, thanks KTM for making what is currently the best street bike ever produced and for continuing to develop the bike keeping in mind the input you receive from your loyal customers.

160RWHP and 100ft/lbs of torque! Good God man that's essentially a Hayabusa. On a 440lb wet bike it would be a true beast. While it does sound intriguing I can't imagine that's what we'll see when the bike actually comes out.

Finally got motivated to read through this thread. Lotta die hards want to keep the SD the same...while I can understand this it's highly unlikely. If I were in the market today to buy a naked sportsbike I'd be looking at the Streetfighter or 1090RR Brutale as they will stomp the SD performance wise. It's inevitable that KTM will have to step it up to compete with these two if they want to make any money.

Asthetically I think the Frogs nailed it. Follows the original formula nicely incorporating a fresh look without deviating too much from the bike we all love (albeit would love much more if it had an additional 20-25hp at the rear).

Money is the reason any company is in buisness. KTM did not make much (if any money) on the SD here in the US. Reason is simple really. $14K USD for a naked when you could buy a fully faired superbike that would stomp it in every measureable catagory for less than $11K USD. The SD was bound to fail. Thing is, when they started blowing them out at $9K everyone suddenly realised what a great bike it is (and I mean GREAT!). I've done a couple track days recently on the SD and could not believe how capable the bike is on track. With a few more HP at the back it would be the perfect bike (damn near is right now on the street).

The average age of motorcyclists in the USA is 46...that's me. I want all the peformance without the compromise of a full on superbike. The SD comes real close. A few more ponies and it'll be perfect.

Hopefully KTM will not deviate from the original too much. If they slot an RC8R motor, chassis and suspension into the formula...update the asthetics a bit (like I said the Frogs nailed it) and sort the well known issues we've all dealt with I will be the first in line to puchase the new one.

Oh, KTM, one other thing, step it up on the quality of the plating for the fasteners and other bits...corrosion on a two year old bike (in So Cal) is unacceptable.

PS - Black frame please!

As long as KTM dont make it along the lines of the new 690 duke which looks like a half finished bits and pieces bike, then i dont care...KTM have a habit especially with the big vtwins of using the same headlights, rear lights and..well everything...to make things cheaper...honda do the same...the cbf600 has the same back light as the 1000cb...if they do have to share something, please dont make it that flat number board with glass in it, namely the dukes headlight ...

as for me..
slipper clutch
lower bars
rear sets as standard
easier oil change
battery back under the seat or somewhere accessible.
better fuel consumption..(if bmw can do it..so can KTM)

its kind of curious to me that there have been no spy shots of a model thats clearly well underway. i remember reading test rides of the 05 version when it was a smaller displacement bfore it was ready for production. i find that odd. the RC8 was shown waaaay before they released it.

i cant wait to see the new one, though im a bit nervous after seeing the new 2012 Duke, that was a step backwards as far as visual appearance.
when i saw the first images of the 05 SD i thought it was fantastic, then when the redesigned the 07 it was like they designed it for me, i still love the thing!

The new 1200/1300 motor is said to be lighter than the existing 990 if so its not going to rev very high or produce a lot more power,

I would guess at 135 RWBHP Tops, 9000-9500 redline..............................

I hope not but thats the way its looking to me

They are using some new forging technique to make the engine cases aren't they?. Its meant to be much thinner and lighter but can take the same punishment. Its what the new enduro engines are being made with as well. Thats how its bigger but lighter.

you are right they are not forged, my error in relaying what I was told. Excuse my engineering ignorance and lack of a reliable memory

Yep...an SDized 2012 RC8R (with same suspension and brakes) would be perfect. Would allow them to take on Brutale, SF, RSVR Taco et all.

Where do I sign???????? I want it now goddammittttttt!

Can't say it enough...that French artist's conception of the next SD is brilliant!

It has become the desktop background on every computer I use. I can't stop looking at it....please KTM......do the right thing!

Here is the French artist's conception....gettin wood!



Contrary to popular belief, the French are certainly good at something.....

(No French people were meant to be hurt during this post)

Now, obviously some things will not work as drawn (the smallish exhaust from the collector back, rear brake line, current oil tank with bigger rad, etc, etc, etc....).

But this is how the design process works. Someone has a great idea and the engineers make it happen (while the bean counters force them to cut corners).

If they start with the 2012 RC8R the job is over 1/2 done!

I think we should convince them to build a So.Cal. edition for us..

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Daaaaayyyyyyuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! That is cool as foooooooooooooock

All of a sudden i feel crap about my bike. [/quote]

Can't stop laughing!!! I know what you mean! Like Klinck said, there is nothing I don't like about that rendering. The rising rate linkage (with eccentric cam adjustable ride height), adjustable foot pegs, etc, etc.

Even if KTM had to resort to an underslung exhaust like the RC8R that would be fine as well (would actually lower CG and increase underseat storage) as long as they made it tasteful. Obviously the tail section will have to grow a bit if not.

I'm ready to plunk down the cash right now! Merry X-Mas to me!

RE the potential gizmos on the new superduke - KTM need to get a basic electronic package sound before they put a lot of trickery on it - admitted I never had an early Ducati but I have never had a bike with so many electrical gremlins - all the niggles spoilt an otherwise superb bike for me.

The RC8R doesn't have any electrnic gimickry which would lend itself quite well to the new SD as i don't want any of that crap on my bike either.

That French design was the background on my phone for months as well! One little thing for me though is the length and width of the front headlight itself, not the mask. It doesn't quite look bulky enough. But still, where do I sign!?

nice idea to send customers request to KTM...
I hope the Autrians actually this this!

to go back to the whish list:
I ride my SDR on the road AND in races so:
more HP to pass the ducati's (easy: with a bigger engine 175 HP can be done)
better gearbox/ratio's with quickshifter
adjustable footpegs
good injection mapping or a free tuneboy (standard is crap, also on the rc8. weird air to fuel ratio's
handling and suspension must be the best ofcourse......
should it be cheap or value?

what we don't anymore:
cooling hoses jumping off
exhausts braking (Akra)
hard seat on sdr
leaking seals (rear bottom cylinder)

design:
the sdr is differrent, its hooligan, it must be a radical design

175bhp in a naked I can't see how you can hope to control that kinda power without an electronics package. 155 would be plenty for me.

Edit: when I say you, I mean folks in general. On the roads I enjoy riding I can see me highsiding it if I could lay down that kinda power. Torque would be through the roof with bhp like that surely?

No rider aids, don't smooth out the power/torque... If i wanted that i would get a Honda. Easy to wheelie and above all let the ecu be easy to remap with tune ecu... This program has allowed a great bike to be perfection

I meant like the current model. I don't want it to be smooth like an IL4 where u have to rev the crap out of it to play up... I love that I can be at 3k rpm, whack open the throttle and the front lifts up. It must retain its hooliganism

aha! horsepower!
the fun is in the power/weight ratio and torque ofcourse
the new bike will be heavier I expect, so more power is needed, why not a rain/normal/track mapping??100 140 175 HP?
but no fly by wire with vague response....
an engine with 175 HP at the cranck -15% == 150 rwhp should be OK

my SD has akra's and tuneboy mapping and thus has 124 rear wheel HP
not very difficult.

one of the main issues will be environmental en legal: noise and exhaust emission regulations will spoil all the fun.
please make them removable or 'remappable'

my KTM is much more fun than my kawasaki zx10r that I raced before. It is completely useless to ride a 4cyl. superbike on the road: 140 km/h in 1st gear,
you can't get in the powerband without loosing your license haha!

the O2 control loop for fuel injection adjustment is THE main complaint about the KTM's: switch it off and the bike is all what it should be! no more on/off throttle!

PS
people that buy a KTM don't buy a Honda!
Honda's are perfect (-ly boring)
no Honda!
NO!

now: how about suspension?

Fly by wire throttle... and slipper clutch would be wicked!!!

slipper clutch is really a should have on a 1200 twincyl! good idea!!!
don't forget a better gearbox with quick shifter and shift light (at...... 11000 rpm?)

how about carbon wheels???

shall we make the basic specs and then a list of power parts / track options etc...

anyone for ABS????
(if so buy a Honda!!!!!)

The SuperDuke has been, in the two years that I have owned mine, the most fun I have ever had on two wheels. Sure it's not the most powerful bike on the road, or the most popular(which is a shame because people don't know what they are missing!) but what it is great back roads burner. Sure a stock one can be a bit twitchy , but that's all taken care of for the most part with some mods and the knowledge of those in this community!
What I want on the new ones simple really. How about much better lighting, Let's get a HID standard! A slipper clutch would be great too. I kinda on the fence about more power. I'd like to keep the bike as compact as possible and bigger displacement equals more weight usually. Let's keep the styling hard edged and make it a progression rather than a whole new look with softer lines. Personally I can't stand how generic looking all the litre bikes have become. Keep the mad max look to it. Don't mess up the bike by putting all that electronic crap onto it. No traction control, wheelie control or anything. Why make a hooligan bike tame? I like that French mock up a lot and like others, I'd buy that in a second but who knows how much a reality something like that would be.

exactly!

only one thing to do then:

how do we get this info to the chief engineer/designer at KTM ???

do we know anyone there? email?

No need, you can rest assured they are monitoring this thread.

The reason I say they are watching the thread is that Dutch met some the KTM guys at a KTM invite weekend in Spain for the RC8R 11 launch. He'd have to remind us of the exact details but from memory he had conversations about the new SD, they keep an eye on forums and he told them he was admin here and to watch for this thread which they said they would do. They would in fact be fools not to be monitoring it. Free market research.

Being of only modest height I'd like a tank shape that I can lock my knee into. Currently I'm trying to lock onto the
plastic skirt at the front of the seat and under the tank. Even a ridge at the bottom of the tank would be better
than having ones knee slipping over the top of a reverse camber tank shape. Fairly useful on road but essential
on track.

ooooopsszzzz,
there goes our free market research....

so there is no need for a new SD, all we have to do is modify the RC8

remove plastic, new handle bar and GO!

now: new question: how shall we call it??
SR9 ?
RD12 ?
CBR ?

I agree, slipper clutch is a must have,
but i think it should be cable operated,
it's not only cheaper to build but much better to operate: gives a better feeling/feedback
especially at the start of a race

so we get rid of the special different clutch oil issues (starts leaking when using brake oil etc)

Well you hear that KTM. You heard the masses "WE WANT SLIPPER CLUTCH!!!"

slipperclutch is decided now
should we address design/colors etc

I like black, but I don't like that idiotic army green stuff
aggressive is good
army look is not!

there used to be a blue SD, but haven't seen many....

anyone here who (also) likes the binota TESI or Vyrus

Colours All Black.......... thats colours done for me

I think they can stick with all black because it is a timeless classic and stick with some orange because if it's association with ktm but it would be great to see some sort or special edition or limited run in a orange and black that makes the bike stand out more and make everyone else more envious. Everyone else does it but I think ktm can do it better.

Rear ride height adjustability without changing pre load

A big white faced rev counter that lights up red as a shift light, make it adjustable to

Oh and a fooking soft rev limiter

10mm extra length on the front forks above the top yoke so we can play

power , power and more power, dont care much about colour , and i like the back sliding/locking up so not fussed about a slipper.

A big white faced rev counter that lights up red as a shift light is a cool idea .

Yes! a sort of black stealth / JSF style edgy thing with orange details!
something like an SDR!
orange brake calipers?

ofcourse a shiftlight (the rev limiter can bechanged to a higher limit with software)
does anyone got one on the SD as a mod? please send some ideas or types to add on....

nobody for carbon stuff? wheels?

1 or 2 seater?

nobody for carbon stuff? wheels?

1 or 2 seater? [/quote]


Carbon wheels would cost too much, listed as an option as they are now.
Pillions somewhat ruin the experence but the option, I guess would widen the appeal and not limit sales.

with a free t-shirt: "if you can read this, the bitch fell off.."

Is this the right color?

It dawned on me this morning. I will not buy a new bike for some time and will chase another bike direction well before I need my SD's replacement. That said, I will hang on to the currrent iteration, as it fits the bill all too well. Do I need the SD's replacement, Hell No.
I believe that the mostest important item the new bike should could get, A New Name
It may should have just the name Duke. If you are making a new steed and the new one is leaps and bounds differant than the last, it requires a name change.
SuperDuke is now UltraSuperDuke? SuperDukePlus?
They screwed up with the original name by tieing it to a bike that was completely differant and now have fooked up a direction od evolution , name wise.
Duke period.

so: ultraduke or nitroduke or megaduke?
probably it will be something like superduke II

Wow I finally read all the posts.Since my original post on this thread many things have changed for me.I got my duke out on the track I fooking love that bike.Plus I bought a 2010 RC8 Standard.I have to say the French nailed it I love it.Lowance and Nerd have it right too.For us Yanks it's about price a small % of us don't care about money.I am not one of them.After riding both my Duke and my RC8 I have to say I want my new duke to be like it is but have the power of the RC8.After all it's more or less a punched out 990.Just beef up what you have to do for the added power no tc abs wheelie control all that crap justs make it costs more. Many duke are being sold now at much lower prices.When they were 14 g's only a select few bought them and the RC8 at 16-18 G's 20 for the special editions died in the show rooms.When the price fell they sold like crazy.My duke is the best bike I have owned in a long time I wanted one when they were 14 k just could not do it.I got mine for $8500 put a couple of G's in mods and now the surge is gone it's lighter and faster.
Then I got the RC8 the power is insane I did the same thing put a pipe dropped a few pounds and gave it some more HP and a nice remap and now I have to gear it down cause I can't use any gears but 2nd unless I want to go to jail.It will cruse at 80 in 2nd .I love both bikes ,but the guys that say if you want to go faster just buy an RC8 have not ridden one.They are so differant The duke is so easy to ride and the RC8 is a true sportbike with all the lack of comfort.Not as bad as some others but when your my age your not going for a super long ride unless you bring your pain meds.If KTM can make the bike like the French one have the low end grunt 0-100 that pushes you eyeballs back in your head they have a winner.We all want that power to come out of a turn with a power wheelie under control.I love those.If they can get the price at 14k or less and offer the mods we all want to do to make our bike personal then I would sell both of mine.to have duke handling riding comfort and RC8 power sign me up.I just think KTM will want 20k and only that small % will be able to buy it even if it is perfect. I guess we just have wait and see.If people can stop losing their jobs and their homes we can get back to buying toys and having fun again.

I agree.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... 290-spied/

Read this a couple of days ago, dont know if ya'll are aware of this.

Peace

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18668

if that's what the new one is going to look like, I won't be getting one. The single sided swingarm makes the whole back end look off somehow.

The single exhaust in that position is a poor decision reducing the crashability factor of the SD to normal bikes, plus it looks awful. Don't do it KTM!!! Don't do it!!

I would like ktm to avoid the bike getting heavier...try making it lighter slightly more compact with a lower center of gravity and more torquey .......
dont want any higher speeds just more grunt.....keep it simple dont follow the other manufacturers up there own arses
remember that ready to race means stripped down minimalism....Peace

This is fooking horrid, I'll keep what I have.

Smoother throttle and a cleaner pull at lower rews.
About 150hp at the wheel.
Traction control with ABS, and both with the off switch.
Gear indicator and a blooty fuel gauge. It's a road bike, and thirsty at that.
Wet weight at about 200kg.
LED running lights.
Slipper cluch or a programmed "slipper function" or whatever they call it.
Mirrors that you can actually use above 5000rpm.

But above all this. The FUN factor. Engine roar. Light and fast. A true Superduke.

Just saw it in mcn, utter dissappointment ! Side exhaust stupid triangle exhaust ruins it! Single rear swing arm?!

Two points to add to this thread, the first of which is probably too late.
If,as some assume KTM read this thread and visit our site, it might help if they knew what geographic location the posts came from, they might have an idea of how to focus their marketing strategy. As a plug for a recent thread, state your geographic location. Eg UK, USA -------
2nd point, talking to what is claimed the " biggest KTM dealer in the UK" last week, the sales manager who does know the market, he is quite sure the next SD will be way less hardcore than our current stead.
If that's true love and cherish what you have cos they won't make like these again.

It most likely won't be shipped to my side of the pond anyway. As of a year ago there were still new models at dealers.
I have only seen one or two others on the road here ever.

If it looks like the picture above, and has traction control, ABS, AC, power windows and all the other shit they hang on bikes now I hope mine lasts forever.

True, every last word.
We love the SD for what it is, if we wanted a refined, dull edged bike with a bunch of electronic nannies to kill our fun.

We would have bought BMWs

I was at the WSBK @ Silverstone yesterday and took the opportunity to wander through the paddock and talk to the KTM people who were there because of the 690 junior cup.
The word is:
The new SD will be competitive and hard edged - in keeping with the original SD
All the SD's seen is spy shots are just mules - we shouldn't read much into them
There will be no new SD next year: KTM are launching two new bikes including the new Adventurer and do not wish to launch anything else at that time
The engine size has not been finalised but is likely to be bigger than the RC8R

What I like about the SD is the fact it's a different bike compared to all others (high, long suspension travel) and the fact everything has a function. Almost no unnecessary plastic, lightweight and everything looks well engineered just like the battery at the chin to keep the weight low, brilliant! Also love the open structure of the frame, especially with an aftermarket airbox and the 'see through hole'

I'm an engineer, I prefer function over form almost anytime. Lightweight and flick-ability with a useful engine over absolute horsepower numbers.

I believe KTM agrees, just look at their new models the last years. RC8 is a blast, Dukes and supermoto's, SMC-R etc. still look and ride great with enough character so I don't think KTM will f*ck this one up.

I won't buy one though, just got my 07 and I like it a lot!

A member of my bike forum is heading over for the unveiling, so pics will be up on there within 5 or 10 minutes. Just incase anyone wanted to see!

I'd like to see, hope it looks better than what we have seen so far.

I'll have to have one of you guys mail me one tho, I doubt they will ever ship them here again.

What I'd really like to see is an update. Are we going to see this new Mega Duke anytime soon? Will it get pushed to next year? Is it even going to come to north America? Let's have an update.

I can't stand single sided swingarms.... Hate the idea. They're a cosmetic piece of shit that adds weight and nothing else. Superduke has to be about performance with a little blue-collar thrown in just to scare the latte drinking ducati and MV owners.

Exhaust should stay under the seat or maybe go belly style like rc8. Side-mount - no good.

1190 is a must.

http://blog.ktm.com/bikes/something-is- ... 0.facebook


is this IT!?

http://blog.ktm.com/bikes/get-ready-for ... a-is-near/

Bwahahahah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlOkYysCNI


sorry if already posted but couldnt see it anywhere else. if the production bike looks like this then im sold. pure bike porn.

Yeah it's pure sex, but not nice polite sex, that rough, inverted make up sex ya have after a massive fight.

Some more eye candy.

edit: OOPS,

Good shout there Mick.

It don't look too bad, not keen on the clock, headlight or SSS. Plus could do with a lower spoiler (either like ours or mojo/prototype style). But as a whole its kept the SD DNA in it.

Can't wait to see it properly coloured though.

"Shorter wheelbase and steeper rake" wow this thing is going to turn on a sixpence! Hope its stable at the silly speeds that 1290 can propel it to. Really want to see the final weight and power figures. I'm guessing there will be a nice belly pan to go on yet and the paint job. Orange frame will look sweet.

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Looks like the gay head light is getting the flick.

For you, Jambox:



Just right click and open in a new window to see properly.

It would look really nice with the exhaust down under the engine

The headlight looks better, continue working, your on the good way... I think we can see that the upper part oh the headlight is not finish yet...

I think they will probably put a kind of screen like this or something else...

My only gripes are the single sided arm & the exhaust. I like the underseat exhaust better & think a conventional arm would look better, IMHO.

Looks much better with that headlight.

Hey look how easy the front SAS plate is to get to!

Someone on the advrider forum posted the maintenance schedule for the 1190 Adventure and I was impressed to see KTM has increased the service interval for checking valve clearance from 9,300 miles to 18,600 miles. I really hope the same will be true for the 1290 Super Duke.

That is impressive! What are oil change intervals set at now??

We just had the new 1190 ADV for a test and it gave around 14 km's per litre, which is around 39.5 MPG (UK). Our tests are usually representive of a spirited ride so you might have a slight direction in that of the new SD.

The guy who rode it, btw, said it's a beast of an engine, so the Duke should be quite the mean monster we like it to be.

Sounds good to me!!

Only used paint to change the pic
Real wheel is still in line only forgot the swing arm

They look sharp mate!

Front SMR 990
Back RC8
Painted them orange afterwards


Painted not powder coat? What paint did you use? What's the color code?

I'll be making my wheels Orange over the winter. We have long winters here, so I'll have the time. I just have to determine the method.

I would also like to get the white body work too. So basically I'll just copy what you've done. I promise not to park my bike next to yours.

I thought the RC8 rear was wider. Does it fit without modification?

sorry but not one friggen complaint - i'll take it just as it sits ......... think it looks GREAT Blue !



Drool !!

one thing, that instrument cluster is too high up over the handlebars in addition, its a tad bit too large. Lower the instrument cluster and make it smaller so it does not resemble the queen in a hat parading the royal ascot. Get me? Thanks for keeping that prancing insect-like headlights: great stuff! Someone please start designing an aftermarket full exhaust system. FMF, are you listening?

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spy pics:




In my opinion this isn't the 1290 Superduke R they made us expected and it's a huuuuge letdown. It's a stupid mantis for crying out loud!

This falls short, Big time

Oh quick, give it an orange seat! Of course it's the same, Jesus!

Sorry i will spoil all fun, i would want like 900cc v-twin superduke R...I love this bike desing and those spareparts, sound, but to me there is one problem, way tooo much power now.