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Yes the Wheelie subject AGAIN

35 posts · Started by chombi · 12 Apr 2008

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Although I am a riding God
I have to admit i still can't wheelie that well i can get it up (yeah yeah i can here you all smerking now)
Now stoppies yes for some reason i can do those slowly getting the balls to start rolling however,
Still struggling with the wheelie thing i use the power on method at the moment as i have been told its the smoothest and easiest way to learn

any advise from the wheelie gods among u would be greatly recieved. i know im not worthy but give this eager Sd owner a break

cheers
chombi
the nearly man i.e i nearly did it
i'm pretty incompetent. But....

1st gear... 4000rpm, and whip it open.... front lifts easily.
nice one, i'm changing my front sprocket to a 16 tooth so i suppose the 4000 revs will still be about right?
have you tried the clutch technique yet as i just cant get my head around that at all

cheers chombi
1st gear is a bit violent for my liking, throttle response is too sensitive and you hit the limiter to fast to ride it out properly. But in a tight space where you have to show-off is ok for the fans.

The throttle on-off-on method isn't very good for chains, and looks shit, so I never use it.

Powering up in second takes too long to get the front right up too so sometime you can run out of revs again.

The two options I prefer the most are clutching it up in 2nd, and bouncing it up.

Bouncing gets you to balance point much faster than powering up and you're already in a stand-up position most of the time. I like bouncing up with my left foot on the pillion peg, cos you fatigue less during a long wheelie. I frequently bounce up 3rd gear as well...

Clutching up is a bit of an art to learn but once you get it, you're set. A quick flick of the clutch as you go from stable revs to powering up and you'll be almost at balance point predictably every time. Do not do it in first though on an SD, only 2nd. Best method I find for nice long, tall sit down wheelies... and best method for thrilling pillions... (Warn them though)

Okay, so I'll try and articulate some actual methodology. Only try this in a safe location - safe for you and the rest of the public.

Clutching 2nd works best from about 5000rpm to 6500rpm or so. Best way to describe it is like a drag racing start, where you feel the transmission load up as you feather the clutch just a bit. So you want to be riding along with revs at about 5000. Get used to the feel of slipping the clutch at this speed and what happens when you release it while holding constant throttle or ever so slight acceleration. To do a wheelie, you want to quickly open the throttle to about 80% (don't need 100%) and as you start to do it, flick the clutch. If you do it right you'll probably wheelie. If you release the clutch to slow you'll just sorta bog down. It's a rhythm you have to learn.

Bouncing is dead simple. If you can raise your ass off the seat while riding along, to stand on the pegs you can do this. Raise your ass off the seat while riding along, and stand on the pegs with revs at about 5000. Now bounce down on the pegs with all your weight and then return to the standing position. As you bounce downwards wind on the throttle, as the suspension rebounds the front will bounce off the ground and continue upwards as you keep the throttle pinned. Just a timing thing to get right. If you want you can seat yourself as you bounce downwards but I like to stay standing.

Try not to chop the throttle to put it down, just roll off slightly for all wheelies so you don't damage headstem bearings and forks and come down gently, Another method is to change to the next gear and usually that'll bring it down gentle too...
41 tooth sprocket was my best answer, maybe i need to start a thread on how NOT to do wheelies cos i am gonna get arrested.

typical day: 7;40 am, on the way to work, it is not far and have to do 3 or 4 wheelies can't resist, I bring it up in first from pure power,

it comes up with ease at 3500-4000 rpm, carry the front wheel up till it starts to slightly lower and shift to 2nd,

carry it another half block to let her down gently, my biggest worry now is the police that are bound to see me, already have my barrage of excuses ready.
I have the same problem mate---it not that i cant get the bike up--ive almost flipped it on occasions---i cant seem to locate the balance point and stay there so it a bit of a mess i also think i have a problem working out the angle of my body also the bike drifts to the left sometimes.

I can ride really fast ,do lots of track days,get the knee down you name it but can i wheelie ---can i fook
Firtst things first. It hasn't been mentioned and it is the most important part of practicing wheelies. COVER THE REAR BRAKE AT ALL TIMES! Make a mental note to hit that pedal if your wheelie rises over 10 o'clock.

Remember you will be doing extra wear to the brakes, the forks, the clutch and your front tyre while practicing wheelies. Fork seals will go first usaually followed by a clutch kit. Stock clutch kits will always burn out. Always switch to kevlar or carbon preferably. It will take a long time to get to that point though. Make sure your bike is in top form. You are asking for trouble otherwise.

Lockers technique is spot on. But if you want to hear how it will sound and look heres a really good wheelie video. The guy uses a helmet cam so you can see his hands, and you can hear the clutch up too. I know he is using a drz but the sound matches closer to what an SD rider would hear:

Oh yeah go to 2:00 to get started, he gives allot of useless info for the first 2 mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNQC_amZRJg
If a picture is worth a thousand words then that was a book of great information, Thank You Track, he was an excellent, confident instructor.
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i second lobster, thanks for all that brilliant information hopefully by the end of the season i''ll hopefully be able to upload a film of me doing a top wheelies

cheers lads

chombi
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Some Wheelies i did last year ... Image

Is the height alright ?

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This might seem namby for the "real men" - but the idea of learning to wheelie in a proper environment using someone else's bike seems a good idea.



From reading the posts, it seems wheelie's are a required badge of honour on the SD
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