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Handle Bars and Bends
97 posts · Started by bic_bicknell · 12 Dec 2009
Post 2 by bic_bicknell,
#2This is my mission at the moment, I want to find flatter, tapered bars that put more weight over the front end. I'll post anything I find.
Post 3 by roamer,
#3That makes sense, i am a dirt rider and feel bar bends and position in key to handling. Just wondered if anyone has played with different bends, widths, and brands.
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Post 8 by smoky,
#8I just added the KTM bar risers.
I wanted to get a little tighter steering, for parking lot maneuvering.
The new, longer bolts are about 5 threads too long.
If you turn in the steering stop bolts, the new, longer bolts will contact the frame, preventing any gain. Trim the bolts to length before tightening it all up.
I wanted to get a little tighter steering, for parking lot maneuvering.
The new, longer bolts are about 5 threads too long.
If you turn in the steering stop bolts, the new, longer bolts will contact the frame, preventing any gain. Trim the bolts to length before tightening it all up.
Post 9 by Resmas,
#9I also just added the KTM bar risers and the bolts do stick out the bottom about 5mm. I never noticed to be honest because, at least on my bike, the fork tubes hit the radiator cover shrouds before those bolt ends hit. I set mine up with a 1mm gap between the fork tube and the black plastic shroud things/radiators and then set the stops accordingly. I can go take pictures if anyone wants to see them at full lock.
Amusingly the only annoying thing about the risers is the fact that when you go to lock the steering head by taking the key out you always have to turn it back a few inches from full lock before the pin will set. Small price to pay though. I still have the stock bars and this is on an '08.
Amusingly the only annoying thing about the risers is the fact that when you go to lock the steering head by taking the key out you always have to turn it back a few inches from full lock before the pin will set. Small price to pay though. I still have the stock bars and this is on an '08.
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Post 11 by Resmas,
#11I went to Hemel at the weekend and had a look at the SDR with those bars. They are so nearly what I want, they are lower and definitely pull back less than standard but they are quite a bit wider and the bar shape means that I don't think that you can cut off the ends and push in the controls because the switch gear cannot move in.
I really don't want wider bars - mainly 'cos of commuting through London, even standard bars are at the limit for me there otherwise filtering through traffic would be too stop/start! But thanks for the tip, I will keep on looking. Hemel says that Renthal will probably do something exactly like I want.
I really don't want wider bars - mainly 'cos of commuting through London, even standard bars are at the limit for me there otherwise filtering through traffic would be too stop/start! But thanks for the tip, I will keep on looking. Hemel says that Renthal will probably do something exactly like I want.
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Post 18 by ktmguy,
#18Fitted the Aero bars last week and had a good ride over the weekend, feels really good. Bars are slightly wider even after I trimmed 20mm off each side. The good thing is they are lower and the shape gives a nicer angle on the old wrists.
Can't trim any more off as the switch gear and so would be to close together and make the brake and clutch lever feel funny. Might have to buy shorty levers.
These are the Fly Aero tapered low CR model. Got them for $50 NZ brand new in the box.
Needs two 5mm holes drilled for the switch gear and a trim on both sides but the rest fits no problem including the weights.
Can't trim any more off as the switch gear and so would be to close together and make the brake and clutch lever feel funny. Might have to buy shorty levers.
These are the Fly Aero tapered low CR model. Got them for $50 NZ brand new in the box.
Needs two 5mm holes drilled for the switch gear and a trim on both sides but the rest fits no problem including the weights.
Post 19 by ktmguy,
#19For those with the keen eye, the grey box with the gauge on the left side of the dash is the wideband commander gauge and switch. It displays and logs the air fuel ratio so I can do the PCIII mapping myself. Once the bike is setup it will come off.
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Post 21 by Resmas,
#21Hi guys,
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.
feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
Rgds.
Luis
recently fitted, Rizoma Fat Bar and grips.
feels nice and handles very tight, way better in my opinion.
Bic, I believe this is what you are looking for.
Rgds.
Luis
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Post 32 by bic_bicknell,
#32For anyone interested here are the dimensions of the standard bars. Thing is I don't know what the standard of measurement suppliers give - is it from center to center or the way I've done it. Not sure.
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Post 35 by bic_bicknell,
#35Fitted the Rizoma bars last night. They are exactly what I was looking for! Very similar ergonomics but a bit lower than standard. I have measured them up and will post a new pic of the dimensions to compare with standard.
They are slightly narrower bars and I have turned down my R&G bar end weights so they are only 10mm deep. When they are fitted the bars width is about 40mm narrower than before which is about the amount I need to get through London traffic better.
They are slightly narrower bars and I have turned down my R&G bar end weights so they are only 10mm deep. When they are fitted the bars width is about 40mm narrower than before which is about the amount I need to get through London traffic better.
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Post 42 by ChrisMag,
#42I've been wanting black color bars. I have acerbis hand guards which adds to the total width and makes it more difficult to squeeze through traffic.
I know what you mean about the levers.
I don't mine the slight increase in steering effort.
I know what you mean about the levers.
I don't mine the slight increase in steering effort.
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Post 44 by ChrisMag,
#44I picked up the same Rizoma bars and after doing some faster riding last weekend, I gotta say that I much prefer them to the stock setup. The reach is better for me (5'8"). I found it much easier to get my weight where I want it to be when steering into tight corners.
Post 45 by bic_bicknell,
#45+1 for the Rizoma bar. At first ride the pull back seemed too steep, but after 5k my wrists adjusted and everything feels very natural.
Kuerbis
PS I never drill bars for mounting the switch gear. I just grind the plastic locating tabs and put a wrap of tape on the bar.
Kuerbis
PS I never drill bars for mounting the switch gear. I just grind the plastic locating tabs and put a wrap of tape on the bar.
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Post 48 by -JP-,
#48Thought I'd add to this thread as its where I started to get the itch to change 'bars from in the first place.
I've just installed the Rizoma MA005B that a few of you have, they replaced Ducati Monster Magura handlebars.
Coming from the clip-on 'esque feel of the magura bars, the first 5 minutes on the rizomas I thought i'd made a huge mistake.
Now, after a day and a commute, I don't know why I persisted with the Maguras for so long.
The Magura bars look great on the bike and in the tight/fast stuff, they are great, loading up the front more and allowing you to hang off and manhandle it a bit more.
Thats also the negative though - the bars being lower and slightly raked downwards puts more weight on your wrists, and even though its good for balance, you don't have the same leverage and end up putting more effort into steering.
They also had my fingers tingling after an hour or so in traffic, I think it comes down to the odd bend, Even the torture rack Ducati SC1000 didnt cause that effect for me.
Its been so long since i've run stock bars I can't really make a fair comparison with the Rizomas, the most noticeable thing is they are more swept back, it felt wierd at first but its a really natural position now.
The first corner I came to I pushed into counter steer and the bike just dropped so fast into the turn I was surprised.
I feel like i'm sitting bolt upright again but I know these have a lower rise than stock.
I'm 6'2, the stock bars always felt just a bit off, wrong bend and a little too high.
Heres a pic of the three bars together, Magura on top, Rizoma second and KTM stock at the bottom.
I've just installed the Rizoma MA005B that a few of you have, they replaced Ducati Monster Magura handlebars.
Coming from the clip-on 'esque feel of the magura bars, the first 5 minutes on the rizomas I thought i'd made a huge mistake.
Now, after a day and a commute, I don't know why I persisted with the Maguras for so long.
The Magura bars look great on the bike and in the tight/fast stuff, they are great, loading up the front more and allowing you to hang off and manhandle it a bit more.
Thats also the negative though - the bars being lower and slightly raked downwards puts more weight on your wrists, and even though its good for balance, you don't have the same leverage and end up putting more effort into steering.
They also had my fingers tingling after an hour or so in traffic, I think it comes down to the odd bend, Even the torture rack Ducati SC1000 didnt cause that effect for me.
Its been so long since i've run stock bars I can't really make a fair comparison with the Rizomas, the most noticeable thing is they are more swept back, it felt wierd at first but its a really natural position now.
The first corner I came to I pushed into counter steer and the bike just dropped so fast into the turn I was surprised.
I feel like i'm sitting bolt upright again but I know these have a lower rise than stock.
I'm 6'2, the stock bars always felt just a bit off, wrong bend and a little too high.
Heres a pic of the three bars together, Magura on top, Rizoma second and KTM stock at the bottom.
Post 49 by bic_bicknell,
#49These are LSL flat drag bars. I cut about 1.5" off each side to match stock width. Clearance is very good at lock, only had to adjust stopper on right side a smidgen. More forward/sporty riding position
Post 50 by KTM666,
#50Has anyone stateside bought the Rizoma's? I am ready to pull the trigger and looking for a place online to purchase. Google only brings up 1 store, http://cjmoto.com/-strse-4/Rizoma-conic ... Detail.bok -- any other place out there that ya'll prefer to spend your money? Cheers
Post 51 by -JP-,
#51Time to bump this a bit.
It seems everyone uses the OEM clamps for the 29 mm Rizoma handlebars (http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/375.html). Anyone had any fitting issues at all?
It seems everyone uses the OEM clamps for the 29 mm Rizoma handlebars (http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/375.html). Anyone had any fitting issues at all?
Post 52 by Lowrance,
#52JP. Just seen this thread has been bumped.
Can't see the Rizoma dimensions posted here. Must be on another thread Only advice on fitting is that I ended up drilling small holes in the bars for the switch gear to locate into but it's hard to judge exactly where these should be so that the gear ends up exactly where you want it to be. I ended up having to enlarge the holes a bit to get it right. Klinky took the other option and simply dremmelled off the peg in the switchgear so that you don't need holes. Makes the bars stronger - I think this is a better option. Also make sure you adjust the steering lock bolts so that there is a good gap between the gear and the tank on full locks. Otherwise you will damage the tank in a spill. The bars do flex quite a bit when crashing so you need to allow for that in the gap - mot just 1mm
Can't see the Rizoma dimensions posted here. Must be on another thread Only advice on fitting is that I ended up drilling small holes in the bars for the switch gear to locate into but it's hard to judge exactly where these should be so that the gear ends up exactly where you want it to be. I ended up having to enlarge the holes a bit to get it right. Klinky took the other option and simply dremmelled off the peg in the switchgear so that you don't need holes. Makes the bars stronger - I think this is a better option. Also make sure you adjust the steering lock bolts so that there is a good gap between the gear and the tank on full locks. Otherwise you will damage the tank in a spill. The bars do flex quite a bit when crashing so you need to allow for that in the gap - mot just 1mm
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Post 57 by Dutch,
#57Yeah thats the one, they were from a S2R but I think they are on most late model Monsters.
The part is: magura 360.1.045.1A
The part is: magura 360.1.045.1A
Post 58 by SDNerd,
#58Love the Rizoma bars. With rearset adjusters, the bike is much more agressive now. Really looking forward to taking it to the track Monday.
Post 59 by Twisted Jester,
#59I'm in the middle of deciding on new bars... funilly enough it's because I really like the handling on my Sport Classic 1000 which has clip-ons - and I want to be more over the front wheel on the SDR.
But I'm confused...
The Rizomas are lower 30mm rise compared to Renthal's lowest at 50mm, and KTM at 70mm (I think) but the Rizomas pull back more, when I want to be pushed forward.
I suspect the LSL flat drag bars would work well, but they look very straight and a bit odd on the bike (at least in photos anyway, although on this thread they look more angled than the do on Klincky and Twisted Jester's LSL setups).
The Monster Magura's look great - although I'd like black, but it's mentioned here that they're a bit extreme...? Hard to imagine they'd be worse than my Duc SC1000? Really?
Mmmm. What to do.
M
But I'm confused...
The Rizomas are lower 30mm rise compared to Renthal's lowest at 50mm, and KTM at 70mm (I think) but the Rizomas pull back more, when I want to be pushed forward.
I suspect the LSL flat drag bars would work well, but they look very straight and a bit odd on the bike (at least in photos anyway, although on this thread they look more angled than the do on Klincky and Twisted Jester's LSL setups).
The Monster Magura's look great - although I'd like black, but it's mentioned here that they're a bit extreme...? Hard to imagine they'd be worse than my Duc SC1000? Really?
Mmmm. What to do.
M
Post 60 by KTM666,
#60Here's a bit more stolen research and info:
Renthal:
Model Part No 672-01
Dim A: 796
Dim B: 80
Dim C: 55
Dim D: 210
Dim E: 57
Rizoma:
KTM
Maugura vs Rizoma vs KTM:
Renthal:
Model Part No 672-01
Dim A: 796
Dim B: 80
Dim C: 55
Dim D: 210
Dim E: 57
Rizoma:
KTM
Maugura vs Rizoma vs KTM:
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Post 62 by KTM666,
#62I'll measure up the pull back on the flat bars for you tomorrow.
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Post 65 by samba,
#65btw... orange bars ftmfw
Post 66 by Dutch,
#66Just ordering the Ducati Monster Maguras. I'd prefer black , but this is for function.
Post 67 by KTM666,
#67Dutch
They work a treat, much better front end feel on track....
They work a treat, much better front end feel on track....
Post 68 by Davey Sprocket,
#68Hi ... Can someone tell be the width of a standard 07 handle bars.. I have after market ones and want to cut them narrower...
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Post 71 by TC's SD,
#71Hey Davey,
07 bar width is 29 5/8" from outside to outside (lanesplitting width), measured between two flat surfaces, no grips. 752.5 mm for you others...
slide all the controls inboard to maximum on both sides to determine the max cut length, my buddy didnt do this.....oops!
My newly installed SF bars are awaiting their maiden voyage, they feel real nice.
07 bar width is 29 5/8" from outside to outside (lanesplitting width), measured between two flat surfaces, no grips. 752.5 mm for you others...
slide all the controls inboard to maximum on both sides to determine the max cut length, my buddy didnt do this.....oops!
My newly installed SF bars are awaiting their maiden voyage, they feel real nice.
Post 72 by Viking,
#72Just to keep all the info in one place..
I had to order a few spare sets of bars in. Part numbers are a bit all over the place but Ducati seem to think it's more to do with holes for switchgear.
2011 Ducati Monster 796 = 36011282A = £108.86
2010 Ducati Monster 1100 = 36010952A = £108.86
2007 Ducati Monster S4R = 36010451A = £147
2010 Ducati Streetfighter = 36011031A = £146
I've ordered the 1st ones- 796- as i'm sure that what i've got on already. Same as KTM666's.
I had to order a few spare sets of bars in. Part numbers are a bit all over the place but Ducati seem to think it's more to do with holes for switchgear.
2011 Ducati Monster 796 = 36011282A = £108.86
2010 Ducati Monster 1100 = 36010952A = £108.86
2007 Ducati Monster S4R = 36010451A = £147
2010 Ducati Streetfighter = 36011031A = £146
I've ordered the 1st ones- 796- as i'm sure that what i've got on already. Same as KTM666's.
Post 73 by Viking,
#73I have to say I am loving the sf bars less wrist pain
Post 74 by MADDOG53,
#74Got my spare bars in. 2011 Monster 796
Here's a quick snap to compare them to the Streetfighter bars.
They are virtually identical but a little bit less bend. Like you've got the streetfighter bars and pulled the grips away from eachother a bit and straightened the bends out.
Streetfighter bars painted black and fitted.
Monster bars silver and held up
Here's a quick snap to compare them to the Streetfighter bars.
They are virtually identical but a little bit less bend. Like you've got the streetfighter bars and pulled the grips away from eachother a bit and straightened the bends out.
Streetfighter bars painted black and fitted.
Monster bars silver and held up
Post 75 by Katomic,
#75I've found myself also doing the "I love the bike, but want to be a bit more over the front wheel" thinking.
I don't want anything drastic, just a bit as I find myself crouching all the time (perhaps something to do with the long reach of my previous TL1000S?).
In looking at this and other threads, I'm thinking that the Ducati Monster / Streetfighter bar is the way to go and I've found a bar from an 07 Monster S4RS for sale. With all the part #'s of Ducati's and all their different models of Monster (S4, S2, 796, 1100, S vs non-S), are these the same bars people are using?
EDIT: I now own the bars; the eBay auction was closing a lot sooner than I thought. I couldn't confirm the numbers as being the same measurements but decided to fall off my wallet and try it out. I'd still like to hear from anyone that can confirm that these bars will work.
If they do work, not bad for $35 (plus $25 shipping).
A little searching and I think this is the bike that the bars got parted out from;
I don't want anything drastic, just a bit as I find myself crouching all the time (perhaps something to do with the long reach of my previous TL1000S?).
In looking at this and other threads, I'm thinking that the Ducati Monster / Streetfighter bar is the way to go and I've found a bar from an 07 Monster S4RS for sale. With all the part #'s of Ducati's and all their different models of Monster (S4, S2, 796, 1100, S vs non-S), are these the same bars people are using?
EDIT: I now own the bars; the eBay auction was closing a lot sooner than I thought. I couldn't confirm the numbers as being the same measurements but decided to fall off my wallet and try it out. I'd still like to hear from anyone that can confirm that these bars will work.
If they do work, not bad for $35 (plus $25 shipping).
A little searching and I think this is the bike that the bars got parted out from;
Post 76 by ktmguy,
#762007 Ducati S4RS bars installed. Very slick install with the only limitation being that I had to mount the levers a bit higher than I used to as the brake lever runs into the throttle cables, they having had to be rolled forward a bit to clear the tank.
Post 77 by Katomic,
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#78Hi all,
My SD fell off the side stand over the weekend. Like slow motion, it burried itself into what i thought was a firmish ground. Plonk! Result? Bent stock 'bars. How soft and weak and crap are the stock bars! UGH.
Anyhoo, wondering has anyone put Ricky Carmicheal Protaper's on their SD?
They are 800mm w, 77mm Rise, and a 55mm sweep. I'm assuming that with a bit of a trim off the end, should be a good bend to drop you over the front a little more? Purely as they have way less sweep than the stock bars??
My SD fell off the side stand over the weekend. Like slow motion, it burried itself into what i thought was a firmish ground. Plonk! Result? Bent stock 'bars. How soft and weak and crap are the stock bars! UGH.
Anyhoo, wondering has anyone put Ricky Carmicheal Protaper's on their SD?
They are 800mm w, 77mm Rise, and a 55mm sweep. I'm assuming that with a bit of a trim off the end, should be a good bend to drop you over the front a little more? Purely as they have way less sweep than the stock bars??
Post 79 by MADDOG53,
#79 Don't know what your talking about mate but the original neken bars are some of the strongest I have seen. Plenty of people crashed them and some bad and you're the first one that has them bend!
The only reason people replace them is coz they don't like the shape (me) or want black ones (me also).
I have magura's at the moment that are close to the ones you mention and the problem is that they are wider. You can cut them as I did but eventually the bend gets in the way of positioning the lever clamp closer to the centre and your stuck with that width. If you can live with it is's fine, it gives lots of leverage but I guess not good for filterng traffic in the city.
The only reason people replace them is coz they don't like the shape (me) or want black ones (me also).
I have magura's at the moment that are close to the ones you mention and the problem is that they are wider. You can cut them as I did but eventually the bend gets in the way of positioning the lever clamp closer to the centre and your stuck with that width. If you can live with it is's fine, it gives lots of leverage but I guess not good for filterng traffic in the city.
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Post 81 by bic_bicknell,
#81The stock bars were definitely made by Nekan but if you have a say that says KTM and made by Renthal then maybe they have two suppliers or have switched to Renthal in the last few years.
I've spent the last six years gradually changing my bars fro the standard "sit up" position to lower and lower in a mission to find the place that gives a balance between fast road riding, track and motorway cruising. For me, the preference has always been to go flatter and lower and more forward. I currently have LSL drag bars fitted but have just ordered a set of Woodcraft clip-ons with 50mm risers to see what they are like. There's a thread on here on that subject that I'll be updating once I get them on. Should be next week.
Bar positions and riding style are very personal things - it depends on what you like and what they feel like. No one is right, it's up to you.
I've spent the last six years gradually changing my bars fro the standard "sit up" position to lower and lower in a mission to find the place that gives a balance between fast road riding, track and motorway cruising. For me, the preference has always been to go flatter and lower and more forward. I currently have LSL drag bars fitted but have just ordered a set of Woodcraft clip-ons with 50mm risers to see what they are like. There's a thread on here on that subject that I'll be updating once I get them on. Should be next week.
Bar positions and riding style are very personal things - it depends on what you like and what they feel like. No one is right, it's up to you.
Post 82 by SDRSteveH,
#82Lastbike I had was a vfr 1000 the riding position , for me was perfect, find myself leaning forward on the sd and dropping my elbows to get a bit more into a position I find more comfortable.looked at the woodcraft set up .... looks good.... the top bracket and with the 25mm ish rise that is shown for the monster looks very simular to the vfr.... I will be very interested what you find out bic....could be a way forward.
On the other hand... I could trade the sd for a sp1with 25mm step riser clip ons...
On the other hand... I could trade the sd for a sp1with 25mm step riser clip ons...
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Post 85 by d2r,
#85Can I ask why you turned your throttle clamp/cables the other way up?
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Post 87 by d2r,
#87d2r.
These are very like the LSL bars I had fitted for the last few years. I ended up rotating the throttle housing too for the same reasons.
What's the advantage of the aftermarket ASV clamps on the clutch lever or are they just for bling?
Also, your bike is so CLEAN and NEW looking! Do you ever ride it?
These are very like the LSL bars I had fitted for the last few years. I ended up rotating the throttle housing too for the same reasons.
What's the advantage of the aftermarket ASV clamps on the clutch lever or are they just for bling?
Also, your bike is so CLEAN and NEW looking! Do you ever ride it?
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Post 90 by Willh,
#90You really need to get 'fatties' which have a larger diameter centre and taper towards the ends.
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Post 92 by MADDOG53,
#92LSL drag bars have only a slight bend in them so you can set them in a position which does not have any 'rise' as such, just a bit swept back. This is how I had them fitted. To be honest, if they were totally straight with no rise and no sweep back I think they would not be that ergonomically comfortable as your wrists do naturally fall at a bit of an angle.
But they would probably look good!
But they would probably look good!
Post 93 by bic_bicknell,
#93Liking mine,,,still on my to do list however is install me "solid" bar mounts to get the rubber out,,
Post 94 by MADDOG53,
#94Here are mine cut down to the minimum width possible.
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#96Post 97 by xrpilot,
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