Tuneboy Question and answers

I have had a few questions about the new TuneBoy software for the KTM so I thought I would start this thread to help eliminate duplicate questions.

I thought I should open a thread to help KTM TuneBoy users get up to speed.

1. Make sure you have the latest version of the TuneEdit program, look at the help, about in TuneEdit to see what your current version is. The latest is V3.3.2 and this can be downloaded from this link.


2. When you start the TuneEdit program you must select a map when it displays the "Open Tune" dialog, if you don't do this the program will not know what sort of bike it is connecting to, The new version of TuneEdit will force this.

3. If you have your TuneEdit key and TuneEdit connects (Displays Authenticated on the bottom of the screen) but the download button is disabled, the most likely cause of this is that the tune file you have open is not for your ECU type. Check the download log and see if you have a message to this effect.
Anyone who has this should post on this thread with the following info, Model and year of bike and the ECU type shown when you select "Get ECU Serial Number" under tools, just the type, not the serial number.

I will keep a close eye on this thread and respond to posts as soon as I can.

I have a 2007 SD here's my ECU details.

(SN removed for security reasons by Plipton) ECU Type = 610.41.031.10, Tune =

Can I have some 2007 Akra slipon maps please

Hi Wayne,

OK I have installed V3.3.2 and still cannot get the Download button to respond.

Here is the log file...



I only have 4 SD maps on the CD and none of them will download to the ECU.


My bike is a 2005 SD with Akra Evo Slipons and the ECU Type = 610.41.031.10, Tune =

Cheers
Rick

I have an 06 with Akropovic end cans and the remap.

I can get hold of two Power Commander maps for these end cans. One for the inserts and the other is with the inserts removed.

I want to use these maps for my bike as they work well (about 90 miles to reserve, instead of 60 miles).

How do I do that as I would like to download the map from his ECU, whatever it is. Put it into my ECU and then apply the changes that his PC does...

With TuneEdit you can import PCIII maps over the standard maps and then effectively apply the PCIII map directly into the ECU. What this is doing is applying the trims to the raw values used by the ECU.

*URGENT*

I have installed: KM610AK0503D03.dat (KTM 990 SuperDuke with Akrapovic Titanium slip-on exhaust)

I have done a "Rest Adaptive settings"

. Either 6 long and 3 short or 5 long and 4 short flashes. What do I do?

See my reply above:
"You need to use the "off road" version if you do not have any o2 sensors."

The light is probably flashing as the map you have downloaded expects O2 sensors, but you have written further up that you have taken them off.

Plipton,

I had the same probem as you. I started again from scratch. ignition off and back on and it worked after a few tries.

It does play on your nerves mind, watching the progress bar at the bottom get to the end... But it did.

One more issue

I do not seem able to change the tick over value from 1450. When you click on it the background is green. Anybody had this problem? This is with tune edit version 3.3.3

Yep, I tried a few times and the map finally loaded (I think - it's the same number as the KTM map).

No it must be right because the tickover was way too low so the ECU must have been reset.

Fingers crossed. I tried to reset the ECU adaptive settings but it didn't appear to do anything. The engine's warm now so will have to let it cool off to try to reset them.

One point - there is no option (that I can see to edit the idle speed. The sales bumph says it can be done but I can't see the option. Anyone??

...and the rev limit seems set at 9600 and I can't change it (not that it worries me but I'd like the option at least)

Plipton,

Tick over is at:-

EDIT/ TUNE CONSTANTS in version 3.3.3

Hi Wayne,

Are all the Tuneboy maps (apart from the one that says dyno tuned) just a straight copy of the various KTM maps for the different pipe configurations, i.e. are these the "base" maps?.

I will be running an off-road map and was wondering if you got Richards problem sorted regarding map changes not responding in the closed loop range?.

Am I correct in assuming that F1, L1, I1 are for the front cylinder and F2, L2, I2 are for the rear cylinder?.

When mapping at low throttle positions (up to 6%), do I just alter L1 & L2 and not F1 and F2. Why does the TP scale go from 0 to 850 on the L1/L2 tables?.

Will changes on the Fuel Trim table be applied to both F1 and F2?.

Will the Superduke be getting A/F target tables and a SEC throttle table?.

TIA
Jim

Put your snorkel back in...

Ahh.... that's a relief Lockers. Finally a dynograph that shows to leave it. Great!

I remember discussions with 'the late Gregz' about removing the snorkel. Funny thing is, all LC8 engines respond good to fitting one or two (depending on the model) partly open airbox side-doors (Sommer doors). But not the SD, while the airbox design is identical. Amazing but true.

Yep, that one should use the O2 sensors.

My advise or warning came from the fact that TuneBoy gives full control over the fueling and ignition and thus it can be a dangerous tool to play with without a dyno + gas analyzer to see what happens. Burned valves and holes in pistons are easily achieved that way...

To stay on the safe side, changing the fuel map 'in your shed' can only be done within a very small margin of the map used. But it's kinda difficult to point out what a 'small margin' is 'cos that depends on what you are changing. Does this make sense?...

The lumpyness is almost certainly caused by the low fueling. You could try to lean off the low mixture a bit with the L1 & L2 tables (L from Low-fuel) in TB. The L tables work up to about 7% throttle from closed. Just to see how the engine responds. To do this, select the ENTIRE L1 table (so that it turns green) and hit F8. Then enter -5 and OK. This leans off the low fueling by 5%. A small step but enough the notice a difference without causing danger. Repeat the same for the L2 table. Then safe the map with a DIFFERENT filename to leave the original map unchanged (and/or keep a copy at a different location). Then download the map to your bike.

I want to say clearly that this is what (!!!) would try. I am responsible for the result or things going wrong!!!!...

Hey all......2007 tunes have finally appeared on the TB website (just in case anyone hasn't noticed). Looks like they have been busy

I notice there are 3 Akra maps on the Tuneboy site

1/ KM610AK0503D03 990 SuperDuke, Akrapovic slip on pipes
2/ KM610AK050E002 990 SuperDuke, Akrapovic slip on pipes (Off road use only, Not using O2 sensor)
3/ KM610AE0503D01 990 SuperDuke, Evo full exhaust system (Off road use only, Not using O2 sensor)

Am I right in saying these 3 maps match the 3 different types of Akra zoorst systems you can get for the SD ?, ie:

1/ Evo slip-ons -
2/ Round slip-ons
3/ Full Evo system

I've got the round slip-ons & want to make sure I load the right map from Tuneboy

Thanks
Paul

Anyone know what the difference is between the "EU" and "US" '07 Akropovic mappings? The TuneBoy will likely be my "winter" project assuming the local dyno shop learns their equipment...

fyi: I found a bug when loading PCIII maps into TuneEdit v3.4.6 & v3.4.12, so I reported it to Tuneboy @ 5pm yesterday. 10am this morning they sent me a fix !!(v3.4.13)

Using TuneEdit, I also found out that the Akra map loaded by the dealer for my Round slip-ons is KM610AK050E002 - so that means my assumption posted earlier is correct - the 3 maps I mention above are replicas of the Akra maps loaded by your Dealer.
Any modified maps posted by Tuneboy have an M at the end, ie: KM610AK050E002M, but there is only 1 at the moment, so I'm glad they fixed the PCIII map loading.

Lets hope they get Tuneboy diagnasties working soon...

Cheers,

Paul

TuneEdit can't load dual fuel table PCIII maps, so here's a workaround for ya!
In this example I'm using the dual fuel PCIII map Skavitch reported good results with in another thread - M925-507

1. Load the desired dual fuel PCIII map into the PCIII USB software

2. Select Tools & demote map to basic
3. Select use single fuel table & pick fuel table 1.
4. Click OK & save the map with a different filename, ie: M925-507_BASIC1.djm
5. Load TuneEdit v3.4.13 (or latest ver) & load the desired Tuneboy base map * see notes at the end for more info.
6. Select File, Apply PCIII map & select the file you created in step 4.
7. Select Tools, Commit trims to main tables
8. Select File & save the Tune as a different filename, ie: xxx_part1.dat
9. Do step 1 again - loading the same original file.
10. Select Fuel table 2, click on the top left cell then hold down the shift key & use the arrow keys to highlight the entire table (make sure you scroll down past the bottom of the page). Right click again over any of the highlighted cells & pick 'Copy'.
11. Goto Fuel table 1, click on the top left cell then hold down the shift key & use the arrow keys to highlight the entire table (make sure you scroll down past the bottom of the page). Right click again over any highlighted cell & pick 'Paste'
12. Repeat steps 2 to 4 again, but enter a different filename when saving, ie: M925-507_BASIC2.djm
13. Repeat steps 5 & 6 - this time selecting the map you created in step 12
14. Repeat steps 7 & 8 - this time using a different filename when saving, ie: xxx_part2.dat
15. Goto the F2 table, select Edit, Copy table
16. Load the tune from step 8 (ie : xxx_part1.dat), goto the F2 table, select Edit, Paste.
17. Your map is now ready. Save it under a different filename, ie: xxx_final.dat - and now your ready to download the map to your bike in the normal way.

NOTES:
i) I haven't actually downloaded any maps created in this way to my bike yet ! - I've checked the resulting map from the above & it's correct. Will post feedback when I try it out !
ii) If the PCIII map says the 02 eliminators are fitted, then in theory you should be using a Tuneboy base map that says 'not using 02 sensor' (unless, like Plipton you've fitted the PC O2 eliminators to override any map).
iii) In theory you should use the same Tuneboy base map as the PCIII map describes, ie: if it says it's using the the ECU Akra tune for Akra slip-ons for racing use only, then it's KM610AK050E002 - however this may conflict with point ii) above. You could copy/paste the F1/F2 tables from the Tuneboy stock tune KM610EU050E001 to a tune not using O2 sensors, ie: KM610AK050E002 - save it & use that as your base tune in steps 5 & 13. OR you could just ignore what the PCIII map says & just use whatever base map you think is best !
iv) As the TuneEdit manual suggests, it's probably a good idea to do a "Reset Adaptations" & let the bike idle for 15 mins without touching - so it can do it's 'learn' thing...
v) Usual disclaimer stuff, ie: follow these instructions are at your own risk !

As I say, I'll post my results & happy to share any modded Tune files I create.
I'd also appreciate any feedback from other Tuneboy owners - has anyone had any success with it ?

Cheers,
Paul

That's excellent, Bunker!!
Good work. I'm looking forward to hear from you after you've downloaded the tune to your bike.

OK - I loaded PCIII Map M925-504 today which is a dual fuel table map. First I had to copy the main F1 & F2 tables from the stock map KM610EU050E001 & paste them over mine (KM610AK050E002) to get the right base map described in the PCIII map. Then I followed the steps I posted earlier.

Anyway, once downloaded I did the 'adaptive reset' & let it idle for 15 mins - and then the bike switched itself off ! Not heard of that before, but everything seemed ok. Then went for a ride... - it was great

In comparison to M925-503 (which I loaded earlier but is not meant for my bike) it was not quite as smooth at low revs, but felt like it accelerated even better & wasn't spewing out unburnt fuel everywhere. I also got da poppin & bangin back - childish maybe, but fun nonetheless !

Overall I'm really happy with things - the bike definately feels better/smoother without losing all of the buckin' bronco character it had (which I liked but made it a pig to ride).
Now that I've had some good success with maps, I'll probably try some more - just to see what they're like & maybe do a bit of fine tuning - although it's gonna be guess work without a dyno - or even the Tuneboy diagnasties.

I wonder if the Wideband commander can be fitted to the SD - now that would be useful...

Hiya - I haven't tried altering the timing & to be honest I would need some good advice before attempting any changes.

Tuneboy are still working on the software - the latest version of TuneEdit v3.4.18 (even though website says v3.4.13) allows fuel trims to be applied to each cylinder seperately. You still can't load advanced PCIII maps properly, but I expect they will be able to fix that soon & in the meantime see my workaround earlier if that's what you wanna do.

I think they need us to get more involved if it's to become a fully fledged offering - I expect they are a small outfit, with small resources - so anything we can do will help.

Re working with Dynojet tuninglink, yes it will according to the user guide.

Re selling in US - dunno, I guess will need to ask them...

Cheers,

Paul

thank you Mr. Bunker.

I guess I'll pull the plug and order one from Aussie land. I have some knowledge of tuning FI and access to a good dyno guy who knows the pc system well. Plus, I have egt's and a wide-band mounted on my bike so a ride with each currently available map will tell me where the air/fuel is. I just installed SD cams(I have an Adventure) and will dyno the bike Friday. I have the Akra map for Adventures in it right now. It runs 12.2 at WOT. The sd cams made it go lean only at idle. The pcm has been trying to compensate, I just haven't had time to do the idle trick. By the time the Tuneboy gets here I will also have a full exhaust built. That will make my bike the same as a SD(except I can go real fast across the desert ) so any knowledge I gained by tuning should transfer over to you guys.

My intake lift went from .348 to .409 with 5 degrees more duration @ .050 with the SD cams so I'm pretty excited to get to the dyno.

No offence. Do you think our esteemed moderator's first post in this thread was an attempt at humour too?

Don't you do humour in Bristol? I find that hard to believe, you are looking for a BMW after all aren't you?

Must be a North / South thing.

No, I'm not looking for a BMW. That would be funny.

The dyno went as I suspected. Guess my but dyno is more accurate than I thought. HP and TQ were lower by no more than two at any time until 7K , then both hp and tq curves jumped passed the Adventure cams. Peak tq was the same but I gained 8 hp. It was still going up at the rev limit. Need to raise the rev limit to SD standards. I think I can get some of the bottom end back and more top with a proper exhaust. The Adventure pipes are 3mm smaller than the SD.

On another dyno note, I tested the sommers mod again. It gave an increase as did taking off the snorkel. On all runs (I did 13 today) oil temp and IAT were kept at the same temps within 10 degrees respectfully.

To snorkel or not to snorkel. I saw someone's dyno showing a good loss with the snorkel removed. At no time did the snorkel do better. I suspect if I had another 1k rpm it might pass above the graph of no snorkel at about 10k rpm.

So far I've gained 13+ hp over my baseline which wasn't stock. Still got exhaust and a tune. Anyone dynoed their SD at 4,500' elevation?