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What do you mean by Snatchy ????????????????
68 posts · Started by weeksy · 18 May 2008
Post 2 by ShadeTheChangingMan,
#2Have you tried re-setting the ECU? That might well make a difference.
Post 3 by Sinex,
#3Totto, Yes, this is the KTM SD main complaint,,, how they get away with this,, is beyond me.
Also the bike wont run cleanly below 4000rpm you need to drive around in second gear or else it jumps about on the trottle !!
you said it. all it would take is for some poor sod to fall off the back of the bike and break his head all over the street and KTM would address this.
they would send out a new map in days not months,
they would send a TSB on the problem to alert all of the dealers to test ride the bike and not to release them to the public this way! fookin idiots!
Also the bike wont run cleanly below 4000rpm you need to drive around in second gear or else it jumps about on the trottle !!
you said it. all it would take is for some poor sod to fall off the back of the bike and break his head all over the street and KTM would address this.
they would send out a new map in days not months,
they would send a TSB on the problem to alert all of the dealers to test ride the bike and not to release them to the public this way! fookin idiots!
Post 4 by weeksy,
#4For me it's the fact you can't hold a consistent throttle. It's very very responsive, as you try to hold it in a long corner you find it's almost like feathering the throttle on and off.
on normal pick-up i find it fine, below 4000rpm it's lovely too
on normal pick-up i find it fine, below 4000rpm it's lovely too
Post 5 by 9nine0,
#5My dealer is getting a call about it very soon !
I am not happy as the demo did not have the same poor response , i have ordered the Ackra pipes as well for a sum total off £9500 and this is not the way a bike should be !!!!
The pipes have not been fitted as the dont have them yet !!!
The demo was a bit crude on pickup but i was happy enough with this and odered the pipes thinking this would help matters , but i did not expect the hunting on a constant throttle or the poor running below 4k
And dont get me started when the chain is loose !!
I am not happy as the demo did not have the same poor response , i have ordered the Ackra pipes as well for a sum total off £9500 and this is not the way a bike should be !!!!
The pipes have not been fitted as the dont have them yet !!!
The demo was a bit crude on pickup but i was happy enough with this and odered the pipes thinking this would help matters , but i did not expect the hunting on a constant throttle or the poor running below 4k
And dont get me started when the chain is loose !!
Post 6 by Plipton,
#6I'd agree with calling it a sharp throttle response...it certainly kicks in with a firmness. However I would not say that slow riding and poodling in first or second is a problem. I can slow ride in either gear no problem and often have to due to Londons traffic...for me it's a matter of relaxation/wrist control (no predictable jokes please). Sure, you have to ride the clutch with town riding a bit sometimes cos this ones got a long 1st gear, but it aint that bad. If I can commute into the City 5 days a week during rush hour then it cant be insurmountable....cant it? I mean, I'm no star rider, nothing special about my skills. The only thing I can think of is years of martial arts practise....it really helps with my riding; helps me relax, flow and especially with hand/wrist coordination and control. But I guess Kung Fu isnt for everyone.
My old Honda was just the same, they have a rep for a switch like throttle but everyone copes with Hondas just fine...i found this no different. I've ridden smoother bikes but then it just took such a massive wrench of teh wrist to get any decent action out of it....this one goes from the slightest twist!
My old Honda was just the same, they have a rep for a switch like throttle but everyone copes with Hondas just fine...i found this no different. I've ridden smoother bikes but then it just took such a massive wrench of teh wrist to get any decent action out of it....this one goes from the slightest twist!
Post 7 by Plipton,
#7I have had a number of bikes over many years; of all the most recent bikes in standard form with cats, comes anywhere near as bad as this-period
I know emission laws are ruining bikes throttle responses, and the KTM dealers have hung there hat for the problem here, maybe, given the problem can be helped with the Akro’s and the map I will give them the benefit of doubt, it can be improved further I understand with a G2 throttle Cam, I believe here is where I believe the problem is-poor throttle design (combined with poor factory mapping)
A further improvement is a custom map, with would enforce my belief about the factory map,
I will be adding all of the above to my bike, over the next couple of weeks, I really like all of the bikes other features and I determined improve this fueling issue, sadly, I do not think that we can look to KTM for a quick response on this, it’s a case of sort it yourself, or we could use the power of the forum and all do an e-mail to our Country KTM Head Office,
I know emission laws are ruining bikes throttle responses, and the KTM dealers have hung there hat for the problem here, maybe, given the problem can be helped with the Akro’s and the map I will give them the benefit of doubt, it can be improved further I understand with a G2 throttle Cam, I believe here is where I believe the problem is-poor throttle design (combined with poor factory mapping)
A further improvement is a custom map, with would enforce my belief about the factory map,
I will be adding all of the above to my bike, over the next couple of weeks, I really like all of the bikes other features and I determined improve this fueling issue, sadly, I do not think that we can look to KTM for a quick response on this, it’s a case of sort it yourself, or we could use the power of the forum and all do an e-mail to our Country KTM Head Office,
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Post 41 by Plipton,
#41I don't understand why everyone that has the problem does not have their bikes back at the dealer until it's sorted. Don't settle with this problem, demand that it gets corrected. I assure you that a solution will be found much quicker this way
Post 42 by sdrk,
#42I got my 05 bike in August 05. By October I had priced up a set of carbs and ignition system from a 950SM....it seemed that bad!!
However, rightly or wrongly you do get used to it and a few little mods have tuned 70 - 80% of it out, the rest I can live with for the fun.
I'm now on my 2nd SD as are many others on here. No one made me buy it, I know it's not perfect, but I have not found another bike yet that passed the acid test.... get off after a test ride thinking what a great bike...then get on mine again and be glad I have an even better bike, despite a few little niggles.
Is an SD perfect? . . . . NO
Miss my 05 Bike? . . . . Yes
Best bike I've ever owned? . . . . Yes
08 SDR as good as the 05? . . . . Better. Needs a tweak here and there, but I know what I'm doing this time round.
However, rightly or wrongly you do get used to it and a few little mods have tuned 70 - 80% of it out, the rest I can live with for the fun.
I'm now on my 2nd SD as are many others on here. No one made me buy it, I know it's not perfect, but I have not found another bike yet that passed the acid test.... get off after a test ride thinking what a great bike...then get on mine again and be glad I have an even better bike, despite a few little niggles.
Is an SD perfect? . . . . NO
Miss my 05 Bike? . . . . Yes
Best bike I've ever owned? . . . . Yes
08 SDR as good as the 05? . . . . Better. Needs a tweak here and there, but I know what I'm doing this time round.
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Post 55 by 9nine0,
#55This thread scares me.. Not that I bought a SD but rather if I should just leave it stock. Right now she's bone stock, I've had her for almost 2 weeks and put on 600 miles. Yes, the throttle is very touchy but after a few rides I'm totally used to it. I adjusted the free play to my liking and that was it. I came off of a GSXR1000 with dirt bike bars and 160 hp to the wheel so throttle control became second nature. A few rides on the SD and it feels fine to me, different, but not in a bad way. Kinda reminds me of a hard hitting stroke. You just have to find that on/off point and learn how to control it. The part that scares me about this thread is that I haven't messed with anything on my bike other than removing the evap canister. This week I plan of installing a set of Akra slip-ons and having my ECU remapped by the dealer. All this talk of problems makes we want to leave mine alone. It's just hard to believe so many people are having issues and mine feels so good. I'm half tempted to just leave it be, but I so want to hear this baby rumble.
9nine0, you seem to know your shit. I've checked out many things your posted and your info is top notch.. Am I risking anything by doing mods to my bike? The dealer I bought mine from did the 15 minute fix before I ever picked it up. They seem to know what they're doing and I'm told the bike will feel even better once they load the Akra map with my slip-ons. I just don't want to start a problem since I'm happy with everything now. Also, can you confirm that the Akra map for slip-ons eliminates the 2nd-3rd gear limiter? Thanks, Smoke
9nine0, you seem to know your shit. I've checked out many things your posted and your info is top notch.. Am I risking anything by doing mods to my bike? The dealer I bought mine from did the 15 minute fix before I ever picked it up. They seem to know what they're doing and I'm told the bike will feel even better once they load the Akra map with my slip-ons. I just don't want to start a problem since I'm happy with everything now. Also, can you confirm that the Akra map for slip-ons eliminates the 2nd-3rd gear limiter? Thanks, Smoke
Post 56 by sdrk,
#56I just got a response from the KTM tech. There is only one USA AKRA map. It is the same for slip on or full exhuast. So for the USA you have three options, stock map, updated stock map and AKRA map. You have not received the updated stock map, go get it done.
I cannot confirm that it takes care of the 2nd and 3rd gear limiter, I can only confirm that it elliminates the O2 sensors.
Like you, I have zero issues with my bike. The throttle is not even "touchy" or sensitive. This is why I believe that every one of these bikes (with the snatchy throttle) can be corrected if they take the bikes to the dealers and the dealers work with KTM. If you don't take the bike to the dealer, you really have nothing to complain about
I cannot confirm that it takes care of the 2nd and 3rd gear limiter, I can only confirm that it elliminates the O2 sensors.
Like you, I have zero issues with my bike. The throttle is not even "touchy" or sensitive. This is why I believe that every one of these bikes (with the snatchy throttle) can be corrected if they take the bikes to the dealers and the dealers work with KTM. If you don't take the bike to the dealer, you really have nothing to complain about
Post 57 by collyer,
#57What we need is 2 people close to one another,
1 who says his is snatchy/bad
the other who says his is fine....
and Swap over for 10 mins and try one anohters.
Some of it could simply be person specific in a lot of ways ?
1 who says his is snatchy/bad
the other who says his is fine....
and Swap over for 10 mins and try one anohters.
Some of it could simply be person specific in a lot of ways ?
Post 58 by topendz,
#58More than happy to help with this. I have tried very hard to feel this problem and on my bike, it simply is not there. I live in Ohio
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Post 62 by sdrk,
#62I can't help, mine couldn't be more fun.... unless someone in the DFW area has one with issues. I'm running stock everything except gear sensor cuts, G2 cam & the updated KTM map.
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